28 Jun
2023
28 Jun
'23
10:43 p.m.
Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic. Version 1.4 or
whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take any
listing that I can convert somehow.
Thanks
Bill
28 Jun
28 Jun
10:51 p.m.
That would be the Imsai 8K BASIC? If so, I have the assembler listing
as part of the Imsai manual set.
Steve
On 6/28/23 7:43 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic.
Version 1.4 or
whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take any
listing that I can convert somehow.
Thanks
Bill
10:56 p.m.
Wait !! - there was BASIC in ROM for the IMSAI?
How was the memory laid out? What I/O devices did it expect?
Does it run with a Z80 CPU, or only the 8080?
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
em: doug(a)doughq.com
ph: 0414 986878
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 12:51, steve shumaker via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
That would be the Imsai 8K BASIC? If so, I have the
assembler listing
as part of the Imsai manual set.
Steve
On 6/28/23 7:43 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI
Basic. Version 1.4 or
whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take any
listing that I can convert somehow.
Thanks
Bill
29 Jun
29 Jun
8:36 a.m.
It's in the Imsai Basic manual as a choice for loading g the software.
I had the ROM set (8 proms) but I must have overwritten them a long time
ago.
So, I wanted to make a new set, hoping someone had the eprom files avail
so I could make.
If not I will build a new setsome.other way. Does anyone have the
papertape image of IMSAI basic 1.3 or 1.4?
Bill
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 11:04 PM Doug Jackson via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Wait !! - there was BASIC in ROM for the IMSAI?
How was the memory laid out? What I/O devices did it expect?
Does it run with a Z80 CPU, or only the 8080?
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
em: doug(a)doughq.com
ph: 0414 986878
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 12:51, steve shumaker via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
That would be the Imsai 8K BASIC? If so, I have
the assembler listing
as part of the Imsai manual set.
Steve
On 6/28/23 7:43 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic. Version 1.4 or
> whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take
any
listing
that I can convert somehow.
Thanks
Bill
10:39 p.m.
So I was able to get the listing for the PROMs by using the HEX file of
IMSAI BASIC 1.4 from.Rich Cini's website. I was able to then pull the
Intel papertape file image using Teraterm to capture the log of the session
while using to load BASIC into the IMSAI. I can use the log to make an
ePROM-friendly file.
Imsai 8K basic fills 0000..1FDB and stores programs from 2000, so you need
some RAM after IFFFh (8K).
My IMSAI has an IMSAI SIO serial card.
Bill
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 8:36 AM Bill Degnan <billdegnan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It's in the Imsai Basic manual as a choice for
loading g the software.
I had the ROM set (8 proms) but I must have overwritten them a long time
ago.
So, I wanted to make a new set, hoping someone had the eprom files avail
so I could make.
If not I will build a new setsome.other way. Does anyone have the
papertape image of IMSAI basic 1.3 or 1.4?
Bill
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 11:04 PM Doug Jackson via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Wait !! - there was BASIC in ROM for the IMSAI?
How was the memory laid out? What I/O devices did it expect?
Does it run with a Z80 CPU, or only the 8080?
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
em: doug(a)doughq.com
ph: 0414 986878
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 12:51, steve shumaker via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
That would be the Imsai 8K BASIC? If so, I have
the assembler listing
as part of the Imsai manual set.
Steve
On 6/28/23 7:43 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic. Version 1.4 or
> whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take
any
listing
that I can convert somehow.
Thanks
Bill
11:02 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 7:39 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
So I was able to get the listing for the PROMs by using the HEX file of
IMSAI BASIC 1.4 from.Rich Cini's website. I was able to then pull the
Intel papertape file image using Teraterm to capture the log of the session
while using to load BASIC into the IMSAI. I can use the log to make an
ePROM-friendly file.
Sounds like a convoluted way to convert a HEX file into a binary file,
or whatever you mean by an EPROM friendly file. I imagine most EPROM
programmers can directly take an Intel HEX file as an input file.
If you needed a binary file, you could also use SRecord 1.65 srec_cat
to convert the Intel HEX file to a binary file, and split it up into
smaller chunks if you need to split the 8KB binary into smaller
EPROMs.
https://srecord.sourceforge.net/
30 Jun
30 Jun
3:11 a.m.
On 6/29/23 21:39, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
So I was able to get the listing for the PROMs by
using the HEX file of
IMSAI BASIC 1.4 from.Rich Cini's website. I was able to then pull the
Intel papertape file image using Teraterm to capture the log of the session
while using to load BASIC into the IMSAI. I can use the log to make an
ePROM-friendly file.
Imsai 8K basic fills 0000..1FDB and stores programs from 2000, so you need
some RAM after IFFFh (8K).
My IMSAI has an IMSAI SIO serial card.
Bill
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 8:36 AM Bill Degnan <billdegnan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
for those who come by 5 years from now, hopefully these links work:
Basic Listing:
http://cini.classiccmp.org/pdf/Imsai/Imsai%208K%20Basic.pdf
This seems to have the hex images:
http://cini.classiccmp.org/zips/IMSAI%20BASICs.zip
I know there's a bit of a fuss about archive . org but they don't seem
to have most of the useful data in the Richard Cini pages slurped up.
Will see if that can be remedied. I'd like such things if they can
inhale them to be there in case something happens to the classiccmp .
org servers.
thanks
Jim
8:58 a.m.
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 3:12 AM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 6/29/23 21:39, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
I don't remember the exact story but Dan Roganti I think had something to
do with assembling or at least mirroring the images. He made the original
eProm set we were playing with back in the 2000's.. Dan hosted his copy and
site on Bob Applegates old TwoCows-hosted web site applegate.org. That
server went down and everything lost with it....I always thought *I* had a
copy hosted on vintagecomputer.net....you never know until you need it.
So, yes it would be nice if there were more copies of a pretty historic
program than just Rich's site, as reliable as it appears to have been.
I will upload a copy to vintagecomputer.net/imsai/ (for future person)
Bill
So I was able to get the listing for the PROMs by
using the HEX file of
IMSAI BASIC 1.4 from.Rich Cini's website. I was able to then pull the
Intel papertape file image using Teraterm to capture the log of the
session
while using to load BASIC into the IMSAI. I can
use the log to make an
ePROM-friendly file.
Imsai 8K basic fills 0000..1FDB and stores programs from 2000, so you
need
some RAM after IFFFh (8K).
My IMSAI has an IMSAI SIO serial card.
Bill
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 8:36 AM Bill Degnan <billdegnan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
for those who come by 5 years from now, hopefully these links work:
Basic Listing:
http://cini.classiccmp.org/pdf/Imsai/Imsai%208K%20Basic.pdf
This seems to have the hex images:
http://cini.classiccmp.org/zips/IMSAI%20BASICs.zip
I know there's a bit of a fuss about archive . org but they don't seem
to have most of the useful data in the Richard Cini pages slurped up.
Will see if that can be remedied. I'd like such things if they can
inhale them to be there in case something happens to the classiccmp .
org servers.
thanks
Jim
28 Jun
28 Jun
11 p.m.
Steve
I was looking for the original prom listing format files. Not sure if
theyre 1702 2708 2716 or ??
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 10:51 PM steve shumaker via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
That would be the Imsai 8K BASIC? If so, I have the
assembler listing
as part of the Imsai manual set.
Steve
On 6/28/23 7:43 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI
Basic. Version 1.4 or
whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take any
listing that I can convert somehow.
Thanks
Bill
11:54 p.m.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:01 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Steve
I was looking for the original prom listing format files. Not sure if
theyre 1702 2708 2716 or ??
This IMSAI 8K BASIC Version 1.4 manual says 32 chips in two IMSAI PROM
4 boards. That would be 32 256-byte 1702 EPROMs. One board starting at
address 0, the second board starting at address 4KB, and RAM starting
at address 8KB.
https://www.autometer.de/unix4fun/z80pack/ftp/imsai/imsai_8k_basic.pdf
11:54 p.m.
Sorry then, This is the assembly source listing.
Steve
On 6/28/23 8:00 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Steve
I was looking for the original prom listing format files. Not sure if
theyre 1702 2708 2716 or ??
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 10:51 PM steve shumaker via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> That would be the Imsai 8K BASIC? If so, I have the assembler listing
> as part of the Imsai manual set.
>
> Steve
>
> On 6/28/23 7:43 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
>> Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic. Version 1.4 or
>> whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take
any
>> listing that I can convert somehow.
>> Thanks
>> Bill
>
29 Jun
29 Jun
1:50 a.m.
On 6/28/23 21:43, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic.
Version 1.4 or
whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take any
listing that I can convert somehow.
Thanks
Bill
Possibly the Prom-4 board with 1702s. As mentioned 2 boards = 8k. Each
chip is 256 bytes, possibly harvest the code from the listing? I'm sure
Bill is looking for someone with the image, or the chip masters.
I looked @ the listing provided, it's assembled for org 0x00. There's a
different org for CPM. So you can't use the CPM binary in rom unless
you put a rom at 0 to jump to the CPM binary, and I'm guessing it has
conditional assembly for the serial drivers.
http://www.s100computers.com/Hardware%20Folder/IMSAI/PROM/PROM-4.htm
Will be interesting to archive if someone comes up with it. Wonder if
anyone with the basics for the clone boards may have a basic which could
be used that runs on such as the Altair or Imsai clone? I know the
Altair clone has a number of alternative boot images you can select
from, could swear one is Basic, but don't have the documents handy here.
thanks
Jim
2:19 a.m.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 7:43 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic. Version 1.4 or
whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take any
listing that I can convert somehow.
Thanks
Bill
Here's a machine readable version of the 8KB Version 1.4 source code,
and a hex file of an assembled version of that code:
http://cini.classiccmp.org/zips/IMSAI%20BASICs.zip
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