17 Jul
2024
17 Jul
'24
1:45 p.m.
Question going back to the estate planning subject...do auction houses tend to receive
higher bids than ebay for vintage computer gear? Are they any better in terms of finding
the right buyers?One day I might want to sell my Mark-8 and TVT, not immediately though.
But more and more am thinking of getting out before I'm gotten out.BradSent from my
Galaxy
17 Jul
17 Jul
1:55 p.m.
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 10:45 AM brad via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Question going back to the estate planning
subject...do auction houses
tend to receive higher bids than ebay for vintage computer gear? Are they
any better in terms of finding the right buyers?One day I might want to
sell my Mark-8 and TVT, not immediately though. But more and more am
thinking of getting out before I'm gotten out.BradSent from my Galaxy
In my experience, yes.
If you watch RR Auctions, particularly when they auction off an Apple 1 or
some other Steve Jobs related thing, they've begun to list various
computers and computer related items, and of the stuff that sells, some of
it fetches greater than eBay values.
When I did consulting for Christie's back in the 2013 timeframe when they
auctioned off the Apple-1 in conjunction with Andy Warhol stuff, Christie's
asked if I had any Apple computers I would be interested in including in
the auction, so I said sure, and offered up about half a dozen real prizes
from my collection, including Apple ][ prototypes, and then also threw in a
first revision Apple //e, as they aren't nearly as common as the later
revision //e's, but whatever. I specified semi-ridiculous reserve prices
for everything, including the //e, which at the time would go for maybe
$200. It ended up selling for the ridiculous price of $1,000.
Many years ago, there was an auction of the collection of a guy (I forget
his name) who spent years collecting computer related books, proceedings,
manuscripts, etc. Some of it was mundane but a lot of it was pretty rare
and unique, and it all fetched a pretty tidy sum.
Auction houses attract a different type of buyer, definitely not your
typical computer collector.
Sellam
2:18 p.m.
that's a good point a premier auction house will get more than Ebay. A
"local" auction house with less panache may not. But Someplace like
Christie's is only going to accept the A list items.
Bill
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 2:03 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 10:45 AM brad via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Question going back to the estate planning
subject...do auction houses
tend to receive higher bids than ebay for vintage computer gear? Are
they
any better in terms of finding the right
buyers?One day I might want to
sell my Mark-8 and TVT, not immediately though. But more and more am
thinking of getting out before I'm gotten out.BradSent from my Galaxy
In my experience, yes.
If you watch RR Auctions, particularly when they auction off an Apple 1 or
some other Steve Jobs related thing, they've begun to list various
computers and computer related items, and of the stuff that sells, some of
it fetches greater than eBay values.
When I did consulting for Christie's back in the 2013 timeframe when they
auctioned off the Apple-1 in conjunction with Andy Warhol stuff, Christie's
asked if I had any Apple computers I would be interested in including in
the auction, so I said sure, and offered up about half a dozen real prizes
from my collection, including Apple ][ prototypes, and then also threw in a
first revision Apple //e, as they aren't nearly as common as the later
revision //e's, but whatever. I specified semi-ridiculous reserve prices
for everything, including the //e, which at the time would go for maybe
$200. It ended up selling for the ridiculous price of $1,000.
Many years ago, there was an auction of the collection of a guy (I forget
his name) who spent years collecting computer related books, proceedings,
manuscripts, etc. Some of it was mundane but a lot of it was pretty rare
and unique, and it all fetched a pretty tidy sum.
Auction houses attract a different type of buyer, definitely not your
typical computer collector.
Sellam
2:26 p.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
Having just updated my Advance Directives document before going under
the knife and saw, I thought a bit about the subject of estate planning.
My Lovely Wife, were she to become a Lovely Widow has enough trouble
dealing with day-to-day tasks. There's no way that she would want to
deal with the minutiae of getting rid of the old junk I have. Since
I'll be long past the "caring" stage, I've informed her that it's
perfectly acceptable to my memory to have a cleaning service come in and
dispose of the stuff by carting it off to a recycler.
It will simplify her life dramatically.
Sorry, but that's what will work for her. She will not deal well with
strangers coming into her house, ransacking the place for a bunch of old
computer gear and musical instruments.
--Chuck
7:23 p.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
On 2024/07/17 11:26 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Having just updated my Advance Directives document
before going under
the knife and saw, I thought a bit about the subject of estate planning.
My Lovely Wife, were she to become a Lovely Widow has enough trouble
dealing with day-to-day tasks. There's no way that she would want to
deal with the minutiae of getting rid of the old junk I have. Since
I'll be long past the "caring" stage, I've informed her that it's
perfectly acceptable to my memory to have a cleaning service come in and
dispose of the stuff by carting it off to a recycler.
It will simplify her life dramatically.
Sorry, but that's what will work for her. She will not deal well with
strangers coming into her house, ransacking the place for a bunch of old
computer gear and musical instruments.
--Chuck
Hi Chuck,
Having had a quad bypass (I'm good!) a few years back I've thought about
this a bit too.
My intention is to have friends act as executioners of my stuff as they
too are collectors.
I do believe if they get money for the stuff it will help my wife out in
the future after they cover expenses and their time...the idea is they
would simply take everything my wife doesn't want away and deal with the
disposal for her and then make some restitution to her.
These are honourable folks...and my wife knows them.
John :-#)#
7:36 p.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
What if you outlive your “executioners” ?
You need to have someone a good deal younger than you to be your executor.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2024, at 16:24, John Robertson via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 2024/07/17 11:26 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Having just updated my Advance Directives
document before going under
the knife and saw, I thought a bit about the subject of estate planning.
My Lovely Wife, were she to become a Lovely Widow has enough trouble
dealing with day-to-day tasks. There's no way that she would want to
deal with the minutiae of getting rid of the old junk I have. Since
I'll be long past the "caring" stage, I've informed her that it's
perfectly acceptable to my memory to have a cleaning service come in and
dispose of the stuff by carting it off to a recycler.
It will simplify her life dramatically.
Sorry, but that's what will work for her. She will not deal well with
strangers coming into her house, ransacking the place for a bunch of old
computer gear and musical instruments.
--Chuck
Hi Chuck,
Having had a quad bypass (I'm good!) a few years back I've thought about this a
bit too.
My intention is to have friends act as executioners of my stuff as they too are
collectors.
I do believe if they get money for the stuff it will help my wife out in the future after
they cover expenses and their time...the idea is they would simply take everything my wife
doesn't want away and deal with the disposal for her and then make some restitution to
her.
These are honourable folks...and my wife knows them.
John :-#)#
18 Jul
18 Jul
1:51 a.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
I am dreading the whole executor business again. When I was young I had my Dad, but he
passed a year ago, so I have to change that. I have seen first hand now what the job
entails and I'm not really sure my children are up to it - it is a major undertaking.
Almost all of my family lives 3000km away too so there's not a ton of younger than me
options. I don't think my wife wants or can handle that duty either.BradSent from my
Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Wayne S via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: 2024-07-17 10:27 p.m. (GMT-08:00) To: jrr(a)flippers.com, "General Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Cc: Wayne S
<wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction
houses vs ebay What if you outlive your “executioners” ?You need to have someone a good
deal younger than you to be your executor. Sent from my iPhone> On Jul 17, 2024, at
16:24, John Robertson via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:> > On
2024/07/17 11:26 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:>> Having just updated my
Advance Directives document before going under>> the knife and saw, I thought a bit
about the subject of estate planning.>> >> My Lovely Wife, were she to become
a Lovely Widow has enough trouble>> dealing with day-to-day tasks. There's no
way that she would want to>> deal with the minutiae of getting rid of the old junk I
have. Since>> I'll be long past the "caring" stage, I've informed
her that it's>> perfectly acceptable to my memory to have a cleaning service
come in and>> dispose of the stuff by carting it off to a recycler.>> >>
It will simplify her life dramatically.>> >> Sorry, but that's what will
work for her. She will not deal well with>> strangers coming into her house,
ransacking the place for a bunch of old>> computer gear and musical
instruments.>> >> --Chuck>> > Hi Chuck,> > Having had a quad
bypass (I'm good!) a few years back I've thought about this a bit too.> > My
intention is to have friends act as executioners of my stuff as they too are
collectors.> > I do believe if they get money for the stuff it will help my wife out
in the future after they cover expenses and their time...the idea is they would simply
take everything my wife doesn't want away and deal with the disposal for her and then
make some restitution to her.> > These are honourable folks...and my wife knows
them.> > John :-#)#>
2:34 a.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
You do not have to make a relative the executor. If you have an estate planner they could
make a recommendation. It can be anyone. You can name co-executors( as many as you want) —
you can even assign a task to each co-executor.
Read up on it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2024, at 22:51, brad <brad(a)techtimetraveller.com> wrote:
I am dreading the whole executor business again. When I was young I had my Dad, but he
passed a year ago, so I have to change that. I have seen first hand now what the job
entails and I'm not really sure my children are up to it - it is a major undertaking.
Almost all of my family lives 3000km away too so there's not a ton of younger than me
options. I don't think my wife wants or can handle that duty either.
Brad
Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------
From: Wayne S via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: 2024-07-17 10:27 p.m. (GMT-08:00)
To: jrr(a)flippers.com, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: Wayne S <wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
What if you outlive your “executioners” ?
You need to have someone a good deal younger than you to be your executor.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2024, at 16:24, John Robertson via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 2024/07/17 11:26 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Having just updated my Advance Directives
document before going under
the knife and saw, I thought a bit about the subject of estate planning.
My Lovely Wife, were she to become a Lovely Widow has enough trouble
dealing with day-to-day tasks. There's no way that she would want to
deal with the minutiae of getting rid of the old junk I have. Since
I'll be long past the "caring" stage, I've informed her that it's
perfectly acceptable to my memory to have a cleaning service come in and
dispose of the stuff by carting it off to a recycler.
It will simplify her life dramatically.
Sorry, but that's what will work for her. She will not deal well with
strangers coming into her house, ransacking the place for a bunch of old
computer gear and musical instruments.
--Chuck
Hi Chuck,
Having had a quad bypass (I'm good!) a few years back I've thought about this a
bit too.
My intention is to have friends act as executioners of my stuff as they too are
collectors.
I do believe if they get money for the stuff it will help my wife out in the future after
they cover expenses and their time...the idea is they would simply take everything my wife
doesn't want away and deal with the disposal for her and then make some restitution to
her.
These are honourable folks...and my wife knows them.
John :-#)#
8:56 a.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
Why not arrange for a reseller or auction house to buy it wholesale, rather than having it
all destroyed? It’s rare stuff that someone else could enjoy, and it doesn’t have to be
sold piecemeal or involve her dealing with any of the details.
Please don’t have rare, irreplaceable things that other people could enjoy destroyed. I
perfectly understand not wanting to subject her to the hassle of selling everything,
especially while she’s mourning, but there are other ways than sending them to the
grinder.
—mark
> , I've informed her that it's
> perfectly acceptable to my memory to have a cleaning service come in and
> dispose of the stuff by carting it off to a recycler.
>
> It will simplify her life dramatically.
>
> Sorry, but that's what will work for her. She will not deal well with
> strangers coming into her house, ransacking the place for a bunch of old
> computer gear and musical instruments.
>
> --Chuck
9:15 a.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
On 7/18/2024 8:56 AM, mark audacity romberg via cctalk wrote:
Why not arrange for a reseller or auction house to buy
it wholesale, rather than having it all destroyed? It’s rare stuff that someone else could
enjoy, and it doesn’t have to be sold piecemeal or involve her dealing with any of the
details.
I once had a reseller offer me $100 for all my DEC stuff. Including
two brand new, still in the box, modules that they were currently
selling for over $1000 each. Nobody is going to "enjoy" any of it.
They will pay nothing, sell what has value at ridiculous prices and
trash the rest. And today, I doubt they would even offer that much
for what I have.
Please don’t have rare, irreplaceable things that other people could enjoy destroyed. I
perfectly understand not wanting to subject her to the hassle of selling everything,
especially while she’s mourning, but there are other ways than sending them to the
grinder.
Sadly, while we value these old computers, the world couldn't care
less and the actual value is mostly nothing. I have piles of other
"collectables" like sports and other kinds of trading cards. I have
attempted to sell a lot of it. So far I have made maybe $20 total
on more than a dozen very old and supposedly rare baseball cards.
Most of the other stuff either sells for less than the postage needed
to send them anywhere or actually has no value at all no matter how
rare.
bill
11:44 a.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
On Wednesday, July 17th, 2024 at 23:34, Wayne S via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
You do not have to make a relative the executor. If
you have an estate planner they could
make a recommendation. It can be anyone. You can name co-executors( as many as you want)
— you can even assign a task to each co-executor.
Read up on it.
I just wanted to chime in to say that this is legit, and a good idea. I did the same
thing
when I last re-vamped my will, and my estate advisor signed off on it. I highly
recommend
considering co-executors (e.g., having a designated primary and backup executor for home
IT
related stuff, like accounts).
The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/
Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean.
8:07 a.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
The thought occured to me that "registering your collection" with the local
computer club or school might not be a bad idea
Bill
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024, 1:38 AM Wayne S via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
What if you outlive your “executioners” ?
You need to have someone a good deal younger than you to be your executor.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2024, at 16:24, John Robertson via
cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 2024/07/17 11:26 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
this a bit too.
Having just updated my Advance Directives
document before going under
the knife and saw, I thought a bit about the subject of estate planning.
My Lovely Wife, were she to become a Lovely Widow has enough trouble
dealing with day-to-day tasks. There's no way that she would want to
deal with the minutiae of getting rid of the old junk I have. Since
I'll be long past the "caring" stage, I've informed her that it's
perfectly acceptable to my memory to have a cleaning service come in and
dispose of the stuff by carting it off to a recycler.
It will simplify her life dramatically.
Sorry, but that's what will work for her. She will not deal well with
strangers coming into her house, ransacking the place for a bunch of old
computer gear and musical instruments.
--Chuck
Hi Chuck,
Having had a quad bypass (I'm good!) a few years back I've thought about
My intention is to have friends act as executioners of my stuff as they
too are collectors.
I do believe if they get money for the stuff it will help my wife out in
the future after they cover expenses and their time...the idea is they
would simply take everything my wife doesn't want away and deal with the
disposal for her and then make some restitution to her.
These are honourable folks...and my wife knows them.
John :-#)#
17 Jul
17 Jul
7:54 p.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
Hi Chuck,
My intention is to have friends act as executioners of my stuff as they
too are collectors.
John :-#)#
I suppose the point is, have a plan that works.for you and you family. No
plan is to be avoided
Yes?
B
8 p.m.
New subject: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay
Yeah, a plan made with reality in mind, not just want you wish to happen. When you pass
the people you task with executing your will might not be able to do it so gotta think
along those lines.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2024, at 16:55, Bill Degnan via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I suppose the point is, have a plan that works.for you and you family. No
plan is to be avoided
Yes?
B
>
My Lovely Wife, were she to become a Lovely Widow
has enough trouble
dealing with day-to-day tasks. There's no way that she would want to
deal with the minutiae of getting rid of the old junk I have. <snip>
It will simplify her life dramatically.
<snip>
--Chuck
Hi Chuck,
My intention is to have friends act as executioners of my stuff as they
too are collectors.
John :-#)#
2:01 p.m.
I don't think you can beat direct sales. Ebay will probably bring a higher
price but you have to ship take pics, etc. If you go the auction house
route you will get less money, but it will be less effort on your pat.
b
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 1:45 PM brad via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Question going back to the estate planning
subject...do auction houses
tend to receive higher bids than ebay for vintage computer gear? Are they
any better in terms of finding the right buyers?One day I might want to
sell my Mark-8 and TVT, not immediately though. But more and more am
thinking of getting out before I'm gotten out.BradSent from my Galaxy
2:09 p.m.
I don't know.
This is new and I have only seen a few auctions and they have been
from some high profile people.
Here was the RR Auction from March 21, 2024
https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/details/690-steve-jobs-and-the-apple-com…
Here was the RR Auction from August 24, 2023
https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/details/673
Here was the RR Auction from August, 2022
https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/details/644-apple-jobs-and-computer-hard…
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 1:45 PM brad <brad(a)techtimetraveller.com> wrote:
Question going back to the estate planning subject...do auction houses tend to receive
higher bids than ebay for vintage computer gear? Are they any better in terms of finding
the right buyers?
One day I might want to sell my Mark-8 and TVT, not immediately though. But more and
more am thinking of getting out before I'm gotten out.
Brad
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