25 Jul
2023
25 Jul
'23
9:23 p.m.
For anyone interested, I'm placing my SCAMP notes here!
Had an incredibly great opportunity to learn more about it.
https://voidstar.blog/scamp-a-review-50-years-later/
26 Jul
26 Jul
6:18 p.m.
Wait! There is a SCAMP other than Burroughs' Single Chip A-Series
Mainframe Processor.
alan
On 7/25/23 9:23 PM, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
For anyone interested, I'm placing my SCAMP notes
here!
Had an incredibly great opportunity to learn more about it.
https://voidstar.blog/scamp-a-review-50-years-later/
29 Jul
29 Jul
8:14 p.m.
New subject: SCAMP at 61 (IBM Scientific Computer And Modular Processor) was Re: SCAMP at 50 (IBM 5100)
Dennis said
Here's a relic from IBM's first SCAMP, a large ring binder (16 rings!) from
Hursley, early 1960s. Unfortunately no SCAMP diagrams inside but to this day it still
contains drawings and paintings I did as a kid :)
http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/IBM_SCAMP_folder_Hursley_UK_1962.p…
Steve.
Wait! There is
a SCAMP other than Burroughs' Single Chip A-Series=20
Mainframe Processor.
And then there's the SC/MP. 
31 Jul
31 Jul
1:59 a.m.
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2023, steven(a)malikoff.com steven(a)malikoff.com wrote:
Here's a relic from IBM's first SCAMP, a large
ring binder (16 rings!)
from Hursley, early 1960s. Unfortunately no SCAMP diagrams inside but to
this day it still contains drawings and paintings I did as a kid :)
Either the date is very wrong, or it is not about SCAMP (Special Computer
APL Machine Portable, or something like that), as it was developed ten
years later.
Christian
3:17 a.m.
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On 07/31/2023 6:59 PM AEST Christian Corti via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023, steven(a)malikoff.com
steven(a)malikoff.com wrote:
The date is very right, and it is about SCAMP:
https://slx-online.biz/hursley/site-search-results-mod1.asp?descrip_tion=sc…
My dad was at Hursley shortly after to train on the 360/40 before being announced and I
can only suppose he fished the folder out of the rubbish during that time.
Here's a relic from IBM's first SCAMP, a
large ring binder (16 rings!)
from Hursley, early 1960s. Unfortunately no SCAMP diagrams inside but to
this day it still contains drawings and paintings I did as a kid :)
Either the date is very wrong, or it is not about SCAMP (Special Computer
APL Machine Portable, or something like that), as it was developed ten
years later. 
10:32 a.m.
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Note "S*cientific Computer and Modular Processor (SCAMP) was developed
during 1961 and 1962*" <> SCAMP (Special Computer APL Machine Portable)
developed in the early 1970s and the subject of the original post.
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 3:18 AM steven(a)malikoff.com steven--- via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Computer
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Lee Courtney
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On 07/31/2023
6:59 PM AEST Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023, steven(a)malikoff.com
steven(a)malikoff.com wrote:
> Here's a relic from IBM's first SCAMP, a large ring binder (16 rings!)
> from Hursley, early 1960s. Unfortunately no SCAMP diagrams inside but
to
this day
it still contains drawings and paintings I did as a kid :)
Either the date is very wrong, or it is not about SCAMP (Special
APL Machine Portable, or something like that), as
it was developed ten
years later.
The date is very right, and it is about SCAMP:
https://slx-online.biz/hursley/site-search-results-mod1.asp?descrip_tion=sc…
My dad was at Hursley shortly after to train on the 360/40 before being
announced and I can only suppose he fished the folder out of the rubbish
during that time.
2:56 p.m.
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Lee said
Note "Scientific Computer and Modular Processor
(SCAMP) was developed during 1961 and 1962" <> SCAMP (Special Computer APL
Machine Portable) developed in the early 1970s and the subject of the original post.
Yes, I know. I still have that massive issue of PC World in which I read about it in the
early 80s, been interested in it ever since. It was a tremendous achievement. Hmm two
admonishments for taking the thread tangentially (I even changed the title) so perhaps
this happens only rarely on cctalk. OK no more from me on SCAMP #1, I'll sincerely try
and find something more interesting and on-topic before posting next time.
4:09 p.m.
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Hey, it is interesting! It has a reference to microcode and a ROS/ROM
type storage. Paul Friedl's January 1973 initial diagram of SCAMP includes
a "circular shaped device" at the base - I always took it to be a hard
drive platter, but maybe not - maybe it is this older SCAMP type storage
(which actually makes more sense -- Paul would know a HDD head and all that
wouldn't fit in there).
And it's plausible that Mr Friedl "re-purposed" the acronym of SCAMP - no
direct evidence as of yet. But I think in 1973 it's possible Paul had 10+
years with IBM by then. I'm also not yet sure if Paul had (by Jan 1973)
seen the HP9830 or an earlier sampling of it in late 1972 (my understanding
is that the HP9830 was "announced" in late 1972, but not actually available
until early 1973 - the IBM engineer's technical journal doesn't mention the
HP9830 until October 1973) -- BUT that January 8th 1973 diagram from Paul
is suspiciously similar in shape as the HP9830 (including the "printer on
top"). See the first image in my summary here:
https://voidstar.blog/ibm-scamp-joe-george-notebook/
I see it as 50/50: Possible that these are coincidentally the same name to
two different projects. But it also possible the tech of this modular
processor perhaps did help inspire the idea of more portable computing?
Just unfortunate that Paul Friedl's notes and letters that we have
available from 1972/1973, he never elaborates or explains the origin of the
name SCAMP.
-Steve
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 5:01 PM steven(a)malikoff.com steven--- via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Lee said
Note "Scientific Computer and Modular
Processor (SCAMP) was developed
during 1961 and 1962" <> SCAMP (Special Computer APL Machine
Portable)
developed in the early 1970s and the subject of the original post.
Yes, I know. I still have that massive issue of PC World in which I read
about it in the early 80s, been interested in it ever since. It was a
tremendous achievement. Hmm two admonishments for taking the thread
tangentially (I even changed the title) so perhaps this happens only rarely
on cctalk. OK no more from me on SCAMP #1, I'll sincerely try and find
something more interesting and on-topic before posting next time.
4:46 p.m.
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I note that "SCAMP" has be (re) used several times in the bit-bashing biz.
The NS SC/MP (INS8060) MPU was regularly called "Scamp". Unisys also
had a multi-chip module for their "A" series mainframes called
"Scamp":
http://www.retrocomputingtasmania.com/home/projects/unisysaseries
Finally, there's a recent entry of a homebrew 16-bit CPU called "Scamp":
https://github.com/jes/scamp-cpu
...and then there's the German Shepherd crossbred dog that lives across
the road, also known as "Scamp".
It's getting hard to keep my Scamps straight.
--Chuck
6:21 p.m.
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I note that "SCAMP" has be (re) used several
times in the bit-bashing biz.
The NS SC/MP (INS8060) MPU was regularly called "Scamp". Unisys also
had a multi-chip module for their "A" series mainframes called
"Scamp":
http://www.retrocomputingtasmania.com/home/projects/unisysaseries
Finally, there's a recent entry of a homebrew 16-bit CPU called "Scamp":
https://github.com/jes/scamp-cpu
...and then there's the German Shepherd crossbred dog that lives across
the road, also known as "Scamp".
It's getting hard to keep my Scamps straight.
Organization of a large Scamp collection couldbe alot of work.
6:38 p.m.
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On 7/31/23 18:21, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Organization of a large Scamp collection couldbe alot
of work.
Somehow, I don't think my neighbors would appreciate taking their dog
for my private collection.
--Chuck
6:41 p.m.
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> Organization of a large Scamp collection couldbe
alot of work.
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Somehow, I don't think my neighbors would
appreciate taking their dog
for my private collection.
The best collections include links/pointers to holdings elsewhere.
9:46 p.m.
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On 7/31/23 18:41, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
The best collections include links/pointers to
holdings elsewhere.
As we all know, web sites and online content is forever....
--Chuck
11:48 p.m.
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Glad ya'll are in a good mood. And it was a Monday!
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 11:56 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 7/31/23 18:41, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
The best collections include links/pointers to
holdings elsewhere.
As we all know, web sites and online content is forever....
--Chuck
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