20 Dec
2022
20 Dec
'22
8:12 p.m.
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in some RAID
configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels somewhat. But iinm he
tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not getting this, but I don't
need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all on 1 drive. What to use to image what
comstitutes 1 volume I guess. Norton Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always
restore the image to the 1 drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently embedded
stack.
This thing is heavy. I secured a copy of the Corel Linux Starter Kit and want to load it
into the Poweredge. For chips and pringles. I have other pre uefi boxes around but this is
lying dormant. And 6 drives for my purposes is stupid. And heavy.
20 Dec
20 Dec
8:16 p.m.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote:
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket
604. Windows 2003 in
some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels
somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not
getting this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all on
1 drive. What to use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I guess. Norton
Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always restore the image to the 1
drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently embedded stack.
I don't see any relevance at all to this list.
Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
8:35 p.m.
> This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual
socket 604. Windows 2003 in
> some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels
> somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not
> getting this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all
> on 1 drive. What to use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I guess. Norton
> Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always restore the image to the 1
> drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently embedded stack.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
I don't see any relevance at all to this list.
Q: How long will it be before it IS on-topic?
8:41 p.m.
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
A: As soon as someone creates a list for such things.
Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
> This
beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003
> in some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID
> levels somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi
> drives. Not getting this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I
> want it all on 1 drive. What to use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I
> guess. Norton Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always restore the
> image to the 1 drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently
> embedded stack.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
I don't see any relevance at all to this
list.
Q: How long will it be before it IS on-topic? 
11:29 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: 21 December 2022 05:13
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc: skogkatt007(a)yahoo.com
Subject: [cctalk] Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in
some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels
somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not
getting
this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all on 1 drive. What
to
use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I guess. Norton Ghost? I have an extra
scsi drive, I can always restore the image to the 1 drive (yes?), before or without
alterimg the currently embedded stack.
If the RAID is Windows Software Raid only Windows will know.
This thing is heavy. I secured a copy of the Corel Linux Starter Kit and want to
load it into the Poweredge. For chips and pringles. I have other pre uefi boxes
around but this is lying dormant. And 6 drives for my purposes is stupid. And
heavy.
Dave
21 Dec
21 Dec
4:33 a.m.
So Chris, your subject should be OT: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600
because this is not on topic for this list. After all of our comments
about topic/off topic hopefully you understand what we're talking about.
If it's newer than 1990 then your post could very well be off topic (OT)
unless there is something novel about the item that makes it unique and
worth pushing into newer time periods.
To answer your question - read up about this Dell 2600's and the RAID array
types available. There will have been a driver/setup CD that came with the
system that allows the set up of the drives and RAID prior to installation
of the operating system. RAID comes first, then the OS is installed on top
of it as if the multiple drives were one logical hard drive. The original
OS would have been something older than Win 2003. It is a good thing to
have RAID if it works for redundancy purposes. You can't remove the RAID
configuration stick the OS on one drive without the setup disk. That's not
the mentality you're looking for here. I have one of these in my
basement. It came with RedHat 6.2 I believe.
Bill
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:12 AM Chris via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket
604. Windows 2003 in
some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels
somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not
getting this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all
on 1 drive. What to use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I guess. Norton
Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always restore the image to the 1
drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently embedded stack.
This thing is heavy. I secured a copy of the Corel Linux Starter Kit and
want to load it into the Poweredge. For chips and pringles. I have other
pre uefi boxes around but this is lying dormant. And 6 drives for my
purposes is stupid. And heavy.
11:27 a.m.
I'm not sure but Ghost will at least tell you what it sees. Then you can
choose to back it up. If you can tell it's the right size of the partition
you expect then you should be good to go. You'd just need the raid
partition or a regular drive of that size to restore it.
The catch will be wether Ghost recognizes the raid card.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 7:34 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
So Chris, your subject should be OT: Win2K+3 on a Dell
Poweredge 2600
because this is not on topic for this list. After all of our comments
about topic/off topic hopefully you understand what we're talking about.
If it's newer than 1990 then your post could very well be off topic (OT)
unless there is something novel about the item that makes it unique and
worth pushing into newer time periods.
To answer your question - read up about this Dell 2600's and the RAID array
types available. There will have been a driver/setup CD that came with the
system that allows the set up of the drives and RAID prior to installation
of the operating system. RAID comes first, then the OS is installed on top
of it as if the multiple drives were one logical hard drive. The original
OS would have been something older than Win 2003. It is a good thing to
have RAID if it works for redundancy purposes. You can't remove the RAID
configuration stick the OS on one drive without the setup disk. That's not
the mentality you're looking for here. I have one of these in my
basement. It came with RedHat 6.2 I believe.
Bill
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:12 AM Chris via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual
socket 604. Windows 2003
in
some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to
understand) RAID levels
somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not
getting this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all
on 1 drive. What to use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I guess.
Norton
Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always
restore the image to the
1
drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the
currently embedded stack.
This thing is heavy. I secured a copy of the Corel Linux Starter Kit and
want to load it into the Poweredge. For chips and pringles. I have other
pre uefi boxes around but this is lying dormant. And 6 drives for my
purposes is stupid. And heavy.
12:41 p.m.
John,
Win2003 had software raid. Does ghost see this?
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: John Herron via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: 21 December 2022 20:27
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: John Herron <barythrin(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600
I'm not sure but Ghost will at least tell you what it sees. Then you can choose to
back it up. If you can tell it's the right size of the partition you expect then you
should be good to go. You'd just need the raid partition or a regular drive of that
size to restore it.
The catch will be wether Ghost recognizes the raid card.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 7:34 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
So Chris, your subject should be OT: Win2K+3 on a
Dell Poweredge 2600
because this is not on topic for this list. After all of our comments
about topic/off topic hopefully you understand what we're talking about.
If it's newer than 1990 then your post could very well be off topic
(OT) unless there is something novel about the item that makes it
unique and worth pushing into newer time periods.
To answer your question - read up about this Dell 2600's and the RAID
array types available. There will have been a driver/setup CD that
came with the system that allows the set up of the drives and RAID
prior to installation of the operating system. RAID comes first, then
the OS is installed on top of it as if the multiple drives were one
logical hard drive. The original OS would have been something older
than Win 2003. It is a good thing to have RAID if it works for
redundancy purposes. You can't remove the RAID configuration stick
the OS on one drive without the setup disk. That's not the mentality
you're looking for here. I have one of these in my basement. It came with
RedHat 6.2 I believe.
Bill
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:12 AM Chris via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
comstitutes 1 volume I guess.
> Norton
> > Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always restore the image to
> > the
> 1
> > drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently embedded stack.
> >
> > This thing is heavy. I secured a copy of the Corel Linux Starter Kit
> > and want to load it into the Poweredge. For chips and pringles. I
> > have other pre uefi boxes around but this is lying dormant. And 6
> > drives for my purposes is stupid. And heavy.
> >
> This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual
socket 604. Windows
2003
in
> some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID
> levels somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi
> drives. Not getting this, but I don't need all the
> redundancy/striping. I want it all on 1 drive. What to use to image what 
2:13 p.m.
New subject: OT: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600
On 12/20/22 10:12 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket
604. Windows
2003 in some RAID configuration.
It might help us to know what model the Dell server is.
I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels
somewhat. But iinm he
tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives.
That could mean many different things.
Aside: Is "iinm" short of "if I'm not mistaken"?
Not getting this, but I don't need all the
redundancy/striping. I
understand (or used to understand) RAID levels somewhat. But iinm he
tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not getting this, but
I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all on 1 drive.
It's technically possible, though unlikely, that the RAID is of really
small drives, and you may need the aggregate space of multiple drives to
do the install.
Though I'd be surprised if they are smaller than 4.3 GB drives, and
Windows 2003 itself will easily fit in that space.
What to use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I
guess.
It really depends what the RAID technology is.
PowerEdge servers used a combination of PowerEdge RAID Controller
(a.k.a. PERC) cards (read: hardware) and / or Windows (read: software)
RAID technologies. -- At least from Dell. There are lots of other
more esoteric options too.
You / we really need to know what /type/ of RAID is used to be able to
move forward with any certainty.
Norton Ghost?
If it's a PERC and it presents itself to the BIOS as a SCSI card, then
chances are decent that you can get (Norton) Ghost to work on the drive.
Aside: There's every chance that Ghost will refuse to work on a server
OS and require you to use a different version. -- This was the case
with PowerQuest's PartitionMagic vs ServerMagic.
Further Aside: I'd expect that PQ-SM would at lease see the /logical/
/volume(s)/, even if it was software RAID. I don't think there was much
change between NT's software RAID and Windows 2000 / 2003 counterparts.
This is assuming that you do the cloning from outside of Windows, which
is usually a safe bet.
I have routinely used Acronis TrueImage from inside of Windows to backup
systems. I believe that such a backup can be used to restore to bare metal.
Acronis even has options for -- what I think they call -- disaster
recovery that will allow the backup and / or restore process to inject
generic drivers into the recovered system so that you can restore to
dissimilar hardware.
All of this ignores what i consider to be the elephant in the room. --
What is on the server that you care about retaining? Or why don't you
just blow it away and do a fresh install of Windows on the drive
configuration that you want?
I have an extra scsi drive, I can always restore the
image to the 1
drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently embedded stack.
Maybe. Probably. Capacity /may/ be an issue. Especially if there's
software other than /just/ Windows Server 2003 that you want to retain;
e.g. application data.
This thing is heavy. I secured a copy of the Corel
Linux Starter Kit
and want to load it into the Poweredge. For chips and pringles. I
have other pre uefi boxes around but this is lying dormant. And 6
drives for my purposes is stupid. And heavy.
If you're going to install Corel Linux, do you even really care about
the Windows installation?
There is actually a chance that installing Linux on the spare drive may
be one of the better paths moving forward. I say this because it should
be possible to make Linux see just about any type of RAID on the system.
Chances are extremely good that Linux will see the PERC -- if that's
what it is -- as well as Microsoft Dynamic Volume -- if it's software
RAID inside of Windows.
At least I think Linux's Dynamic Volume support includes software RAID.
You probably have many more tools available in Linux to image the
logical volume(s), whether they be hardware and / or software.
PartImage comes to mind.
Once you have the image, you can then do away with the RAID as it exists
and do whatever you want with the rest of the drives.
--
Grant. . . .
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