On Jul 26, 2023, at 8:29 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote: I appear to have diskette sets including Pro Hard Disk 3.0, a 3.1 update set, DECnet Pro, COMMTK, F77, Pascal, Word-11 v3.0 for Pro, what looks like a few class software packages in engineering - physics - chemistry, maybe others. I haven't read these, so I don't know for sure what's really there. Is this stuff already in captivity, or should I add it to the list of stuff to read?

Great stuff -- but could you fix the protections? I see 121 files listed, but only 30 are accessible. The file names are not very clear -- what versions are these? paul

Chris, Den tors 27 juli 2023 kl 00:55 skrev Chris Zach via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt;gt;: Would you mind adding some kind of metadata to the files, please! A simple photo of the diskette with the same filename-base as the image would help a lot to understand what you have actually dumped. The other solution is to write something into the metadata of the IMD file. I checked the ULTRIX1.IMD file and there was no metadata in it. One of the RSTS disks had metadata which is great! I know from my own experience that writing the metadata into the IMD program for each dumped disk so therefore a photo/scan of each disk would equally good (or in some ways even better). All in all it is hard to discern what version it is and which of all the install disks this really is. When you already did such a great effort to dump all these disks I would kindly ask you to just take a photo of each of them so other people could use them easily. Thanks, Mattis Lind > > MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss > > On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote: >> Chris, >> I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for > POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to try to get the software > running under RSX11M+ if possible. >> Thanks, >> Mark >> >>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote: >>> >>> From: Chris Zach &lt;cz(a)alembic.crystel.com <mailto:cz@alembic.crystel.com >>> >>> Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there >>> Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT >>> To: CCTalk mailing list &lt;cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto: > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt;&gt; >>> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" < > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> >>> >>> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that 3.2 > is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk in > the distro) however are these disks out there now? >>> Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies >>> POS V2.0a on floppies >>> >>> POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing > called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and instruction > disks) >>> POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere) >>> >>> Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2 >>> >>> SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone heard > of this?) >>> If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the > mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives.... >>> Thanks! >>> Chris >>> (Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will give > me a hint into how DEC ported POS) >

cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt; wrote: So I'm not the best person to try and add proper metadata to files. conventions. I'll take some pictures of the floppies and add a text document explaining roughly what is what. if all the files are good? I want to make sure I didn't misname a disk or make an error like that. I'll try out the micro-RSTS kit. One minor nuisance is that the images are in physical sector order, so they have to be de-interleaved for SIMH since it uses logical order. No big deal, but worth pointing out.

paul

I'll try out the micro-RSTS kit. One minor nuisance is that the images are in physical sector order, so they have to be de-interleaved for SIMH since it uses logical order. No big deal, but worth pointing out. paul

Really? So SIMH doesn't work with the images, or it's "slow"? I prefer to keep images close to "real" as I may want to write them back to physical floppies. For reference, these images do work with um.... the Goteks which is what I would use to load onto real equipment. Why in the name of heaven would SIMH not support proper disk formats?

Agreed. The SIMH logic is that the container file addressing matches the addressing exposed at the interface between device and driver. In the RX50 case, that is "logical order" because the MSCP controllers work that way. Conversely, in XHomer it's physical order, because the Pro RX controller works that way.

I did some testing on the image sets using simh. I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50 <http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/>, because simh expects them to be in logical order. Results: ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error: *sim> ATT RQ2 RSTS21-3.RX5%SIM-INFO: RQ2: 'RSTS21-3.RX5' Contains a RSTS File system%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Pack ID: MICR3 Revision Level: 1.2 Pack Clustersize: 1%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Last Unallocated Sector In File System: 799sim> c?Error opening Backup set?Device hung or write lockedMount volume 3 on device _DU2:Press RETURN when ready:* MicroRSX V2.1: Have not found out yet which one of the images is the one to start with. Is the image set complete? I thought that RSX4-I.IMG <https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os/RSX4-I.IMG> was the one (with an I instead of a 1), but all I got was: *Trap stack push abort, PC: 000014 (000040)* Maybe that image is bad, too ... Ulli Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um 00:55 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt;gt;: > Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and > https://www.crystel.com/pro350 > > MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss > > On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote: > > Chris, > > I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for > POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to try to get the software > running under RSX11M+ if possible. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > >> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote: > >> > >> From: Chris Zach &lt;cz(a)alembic.crystel.com <mailto:cz@alembic.crystel.com > >> > >> Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there > >> Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT > >> To: CCTalk mailing list &lt;cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto: > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt;&gt; > >> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" < > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> > >> > >> > >> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that 3.2 > is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk in > the distro) however are these disks out there now? > >> > >> Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies > >> POS V2.0a on floppies > >> > >> POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing > called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and instruction > disks) > >> > >> POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere) > >> > >> Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2 > >> > >> SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone heard > of this?) > >> > >> If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the > mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives.... > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Chris > >> (Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will give > me a hint into how DEC ported POS) >

Chris, Thanks for your kind offer to re-image the third floppy! May I politely repeat Mattis' request to scan the disk labels? I'm especially interested in the DEC order numbers (like "BL-XXXXX-XX") that are printed on them - I use them as the primary key in my DECdoc database. The floppy names (e.g. "ROOT #1") are very useful/important sometimes, too. Thank you again for your understanding and willingness to help! Ulli Am Fr., 4. Aug. 2023 um 20:49 Uhr schrieb Christopher Zach via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt;gt;: > Thank you I will rescan the third disk. > > On August 4, 2023 12:33:31 PM EDT, "Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk" < > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt; wrote: >> I did some testing on the image sets using simh. >> I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50 >> <http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/>, because simh expects them to be in >> logical order. >> Results: >> ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good >> MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *sim> ATT RQ2 RSTS21-3.RX5%SIM-INFO: RQ2: 'RSTS21-3.RX5' Contains a RSTS >> File system%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Pack ID: MICR3 Revision Level: 1.2 Pack >> Clustersize: 1%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Last Unallocated Sector In File System: >> 799sim> c?Error opening Backup set?Device hung or write lockedMount volume >> 3 on device _DU2:Press RETURN when ready:* >> >> MicroRSX V2.1: Have not found out yet which one of the images is the one > to >> start with. Is the image set complete? >> I thought that RSX4-I.IMG <https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os/RSX4-I.IMG> was >> the one (with an I instead of a 1), but all I got was: >> *Trap stack push abort, PC: 000014 (000040)* >> Maybe that image is bad, too ... >> >> Ulli >> >> Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um 00:55 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk < >> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt;gt;: >> >>> Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and >>> https://www.crystel.com/pro350 >>> >>> MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss >>> >>> On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote: >>>> Chris, >>>> I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for >>> POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to try to get the > software >>> running under RSX11M+ if possible. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Mark >>>> >>>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: Chris Zach &lt;cz(a)alembic.crystel.com <mailto: > cz(a)alembic.crystel.com >>>>> Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out > there >>>>> Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT >>>>> To: CCTalk mailing list &lt;cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto: >>> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt;&gt; >>>>> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" < >>> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> >>>>> >>>>> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that > 3.2 >>> is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk > in >>> the distro) however are these disks out there now? >>>>> Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies >>>>> POS V2.0a on floppies >>>>> >>>>> POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing >>> called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and > instruction >>> disks) >>>>> POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere) >>>>> >>>>> Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2 >>>>> >>>>> SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone > heard >>> of this?) >>>>> If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the >>> mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives.... >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> Chris >>>>> (Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will > give >>> me a hint into how DEC ported POS) >>>

Ok, I took pictures of some of the disks and posted it on the discord channel minicomputers. I'm curious to see if RSTS/E loads, it might need an RD52 or 53 drive in order to work. I can drag out an RD54 and format/test/give it a shot here but the only other drives I have right now are RD50 and 51's. C On 8/4/2023 3:38 PM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk wrote: too. RSTS volume one was for thing

I did some testing on the image sets using simh. I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50 <http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/>, because simh expects them to be in logical order. Results: ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error: *sim> ATT RQ2 RSTS21-3.RX5%SIM-INFO: RQ2: 'RSTS21-3.RX5' Contains a RSTS File system%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Pack ID: MICR3 Revision Level: 1.2 Pack Clustersize: 1%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Last Unallocated Sector In File System: 799sim> c?Error opening Backup set?Device hung or write lockedMount volume 3 on device _DU2:Press RETURN when ready:* MicroRSX V2.1: Have not found out yet which one of the images is the one to start with. Is the image set complete? I thought that RSX4-I.IMG <https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os/RSX4-I.IMG> was the one (with an I instead of a 1), but all I got was: *Trap stack push abort, PC: 000014 (000040)* Maybe that image is bad, too ... Ulli Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um 00:55 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt;gt;:

Which version of RSTS is MicroRSTS V2.1 equivalent to?