21 Dec
2022
21 Dec
'22
9:03 p.m.
Sellam, I find nearly everything you said cogent and well appreciated. Especially coming
from someone like you who is a prime mover-shaker in this hobby. I'd like to give a
better more detailed reply, but don't have the time presently. And I realize people
get tired of a topic when it's drawn out for too long. But perhaps new insights can be
brought to light when an old issue is revisited.
I don't know, what do I know. No one ever said I was an authoriry on anything. Except
Suzi-Qs. And I can't even seem to find them anymore! On Wednesday, December 21,
2022, 02:59:10 PM EST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Chris,
This list was never declared to be exclusively an 8-bit affair. I'm not
sure where you're getting that from. From the get go in 1997 when Bill
Whitson founded the list, all computers of a vintage or obsolete nature
were game for discussion. It's only after a few years and time marching on
with its inevitable technological progress, and companies that were once
industry stalwarts started to fall by the wayside, that we began to
question what the cut-off is. And as far as the IBM PC, it was definitely
vintage by the time the list was launched. The objections back in the day
as I remember them were to questions pertaining to modern x86 or Macintosh
systems that had plenty of forums elsewhere on the internet to engage in
discussions of those (i.e. this is not a tech support forum) (...unless
it's vintage tech). These days, however, I think it's fine to discuss
286/386/486 and even Pentium (below the II, at least) systems because
they're sufficiently "vintage" now in the sense of the word that I think
brings focus to the purpose and nature of this hobby.
In the interest of putting this thread to rest, if I were to call the rule,
I'd make it simple: don't bring up boring modern topics that have a better
home somewhere else.
And with that, I hope we can move on, or at least morph this thread into a
more interesting topic.
Sellam
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 11:34 AM Chris via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be
an 8-bit list. Back
when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I
asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore.
Evan Koblentz used to hate anything remotely connected to IBM for reasons
(more then likely) I won't get into. Everyone has a preference as to what a
list like this should focus on. Their preference is their business. But
their preference doesn't need to be forced on everyone else. Jay would
chime me when it was needed and cite the rules. This is why I asked,
expecting a moderator or someone well acquainted with the rules to read me
the riot act.
So Win2003 is off topic, but allowed as long as I say that it is. But I
still want to know when or even if this was formerly declared an 8 bit
list.
As to your response to my other question, I need to know if ghost will
reliably image the 2003 imstall. As I want to keep it. The other issues
I'll deal with afterwards. I'm not sure I'll need a setup disk, of course
it wouldn't hurt. But he warned me to enter setup each time it was powered
on and specify 'raid' in one of the settings, for tbe default was
'scsi',
and if I didn't make that adjustment (I think because the backup battery is
dead) it would wipe out rje current OS.
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 02:05:19 PM EST, Bill Degnan via
cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Chris,
That was me saying after 1990, within the context that one should start
thinking "is this on topic" if the thing is any newer, and I gave some
examples of then it would be and not so much be in my opinion. I also
mentioned that to high school kids interested in vintage computers, their
*start* point is 1990 many of them based on what I have seen at Kennett
Classic museum. They're interested in much newer stuff. Also, smartphones
and devices, not just computers.
But for this list, as we are today, we're vintage of the 8-bit era vintage
computer hobbyist.
b
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 1:52 PM Chris via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
So Jay West doesn't own the list anymore?
Since when was the cutoff
declared to be 1990? No one is in charge here? What if a revolution takes
place? Who will martial the forces to put ot down and hang all the
imsurgents?