I believe that at least Kaypro used a TTL form of RS-232 for the keyboard;
in fact, ISTR using an RS M100 notebook (+/- 5V) in place of a keyboard in
distant days.
On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 12:27 PM Steve Lewis via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Rick Bensene:
I will try to find my Xircom parallel port Modem
and Ethernet adapters in
a box somewhere in my storage area and take a photo of them. If I can
find
them, I’ll post a link here to the photos so
those in disbelief can see
them.
That'd be neat to see, if you do find the Xircom parallel modem. I've seen
combo ones and their "parallel-ethernet" devices (which seem to go for
quite a premium these days), but not the modem only. Suppose they weren't
too popular, as even laptops started to have built in modems.
These days, I do use an SDLPT, that lets you use SD-cards to transfer data
into a system over the parallel port. I suppose that's the same general
principle (of read/writing one full byte at a time to a device). I
haven't measured its performance yet (but would characterize it as being
comparable to a physical 3.5" floppy disk drive kind of performance - I
think copying Quake took over 40 minutes, something like that; but I'd like
to get more accurate about it, down to an actual bytes-per-second rate).
Measuring that might give me an answer on how fast something like
Laplink/Interlink cable should be able to perform.
As another experiment, I'll drop that ~7MHz 16550 serial card into a 386,
and see if I can get a 386 to push data out on RS-232 faster than 115200.
It should, but we'll see!
And I think I will do an RS-232 themed talk in June VCF, if a spot is still
open - I think I have enough now to make it interesting. One area I'm a
little stuck on is verifying that anyone actually did make an RS-232
keyboard. Even for TV Typewriter, I'm not sure if I'd characterize that as
RS-232 related. And Gordon Bell integrated an ASR-33 (current loop) to the
PDP-1, but might not be accurate to call that RS-232 (but can't a current
loop based thing be adapted to voltage?). I thought the POLY-88 keyboard
was RS-232, but it'll be awhile before I can get back to that equipment.
-Steve
On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 6:32 PM Rick Bensene via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Henry wrote:
> I remember those, and when I went searching to look for more
information
on them I found something I > hadn't
stumbled on before - apparently
Xircom
made a parallel port Ethernet adapter. It must
have
been pretty painful. The parallel port
wasn't a great high speed
interface…
----
Yes, I have one of those parallel port Ethernet devices too. But,
remember, back at that time, Ethernet was commonly 10Mb/Sec. I think
that
100Mb/Sec was only located in high-end
datacenters and was very
expensive.
> For a laptop that didn’t have a PCMCIA port, and you wanted it on an
> Ethernet network, this was an acceptable way to go. Performance wasn’t
> great, but most of the time laptops like this were used for TELNET
> connections to other hosts on the local network for “GREEN SCREEN” type
> applications that ran entirely on the remote host. Performance in such
> cases wasn’t nearly as much of a concern as it would be in the not too
> distant future.
>
I will try to find my Xircom parallel port Modem
and Ethernet adapters in
a box somewhere in my storage area and take a photo of them. If I can
find
them, I’ll post a link here to the photos so
those in disbelief can see
them.
>
> -Rick
>
>
>
> From: Henry Bent [mailto:henry.r.bent@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 3:54 PM
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