18 Oct
2022
18 Oct
'22
9:09 a.m.
Eugene? Most people that are named Eugene (or Eugen in German) are
descendands of russian people or russians...and named Jewegeny. :-)
Excellent is ...wrong, starting at the point that the eniac should be
the first electronic calculator, it wasn't.
There are more faults. The cause for the lag in computing technology in
the east is simple: the planned economy, not the decision to use one or
another memory technology.
The CMEA decided to build computer components in countries w/o any
experience in HiTec, as an example it was forbidden to produce magnet
tapes in the GDR (cars with 4 cycle engines too and more than 100HP was
forbidden too), tapes and disks should be produced in bulgaria..for
all of the CMEA countries. What do you expect then to come out?
Regards,
Holm
W2HX via cctalk wrote:
This is an excellent video on the history of Soviet
computing and the causes of their lagging behind the west. I cannot comment on the
accuracy since I am no expert in this subject. But a very interesting and informative
video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8
73 Eugene W2HX
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Subject: [cctalk] Re: Soviet PDP clones
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Subject: [cctalk] Re: Soviet PDP clones
Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote:
Hi all,
After some discussion on reddit about russian PDP-11 clones, i made the (perhaps
erronous) claim that the PDP series in general was cloned by the Soviets.
I’m aware that there was a lot of QBUS/LSI PDP-11 clones, and depite poor documentation,
there is significant evidence of PDP-8 clones. Also, depite not strictly a “PDP”, the VAX
series was also cloned.
However, i’m curious whether anyone has any evidence of either the 18-bit or 36-bit PDP
machines being cloned? I imagine that given the rather lacklustre success of the 18-bit
series, that there would have been less demand for an 18-bit PDP machine in the Soviet
Union, but i find it quite hard to believe that no attempt to clone the PDP-6 and
PDP-10 machines would have been attempted.
Does anyone here have any information on such clones?
Cheers,
Josh Rice
Josh, it seems to be difficult for any "western" guy to belive that russians or
the "warshaw pakt countries" where able to develop ther own systems of
computers, that's simply wrong.
Hi,
I apologise for any misunderstanding. By "clone", i didn't exactly mean a
1-to-1 copy, but more a reimplementation. Much like the term "IBM PC clone" is
still used to describe non-IBM-derived PC designs.
I understand that the eastern european countries can and di design their own machines,
but it's undeniable that the Soviet leaders deemed it more valuable to copy western
designs than design their own domestic architectures from scratch. There was also plenty
of designs that were literal "clones", down to the silicon gates.
Cheers, Josh
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