On 27/06/2025 12:09, Tony Duell wrote:
  Are you mis-reading the attrbutions? I thought Wayne
(in the States)
 said the punches he used required tape with pre-punched sprocket
 holes/
 I (tony), in the UK, have never seen one that does. In fact, thinking
 about it, many Facit punches couldn't use tape with pre-punched
 sprocket holes. They punch the sprocket hole in the same die block as
 the data holes. But they feed the tape using a capstan/pinch roller.
 So pre-punched tape would be almost imposible to line up with the
 punches and keep lined up. Due to manufacturing tolerances, the tape
 is not going to feed by exactly 1 hole spacing (on the pre-punched
 tape) after each character in a unit like this.
 The Fact 4070 has 3 manual feed switches. One feeds totally unpunched
 tape. Another feeds tape with the feed holes punched. And a third
 feeds tape feed holes and a user-defined (by links/diodes on the
 control PCB) character on the data holes (the factory setting is to
 punch the lot).
 Some punches, the Teletype BRPE being an example, punch the tape,
 including the sprocket holes and then feed it with a sprocket a little
 further along the tape path. These will work on totally unpunched
 tape. When you load a new reel of tape you have to get it feeding,
 then help the tape along by hand. The first bi of the tape will be
 completely mis-spaced but after a couple of inches the holes will
 start ot align with the sprocket teeth and it'll be fne from then on.
 
I checked and I I wasn't according t the level of >, but it's certainly
confusing with all these people top posting!We agree it was Wayne (USA)
who'd only used pre-punched tape and you and I in the UK had never seen
it. @Wayne - any idea who made this kit?
I agree with you - I don't think pre-punched would have worked in a fast
punch as it wasn't moved along by a claw or anything so it'd go out of
registration very quickly.
My memory may not be reliable, but I certainly remember some
teleprinters could backspace a tape if you made a mistake, so I guess
they'd have had to tolerate pre-sprocketed tape. I just used them, so I
hadn't thought how it worked before now. They must have wound back
through the punch accurately so a character space could be punched a
second time. I don't remember being a special punch mechanism just for
DEL, but perhaps there was?