On 2025Oct 12,, at 3:28 PM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
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I measured AC OK by adding a pull up resistor, but if
I am honest, I forgot
about this in my latest measurements. I have also looked at Power OK,
knowing that AC OK needs a pull up resistor, and it is logically false, so
it is definitely saying the power is not OK.
What is ‘logically false’? 0V or –V?
DEC used the JFETs to drive AC-OK so that no-power/power-off state would present
low-Z-to-GND at AC-OK (i.e. 0V / LOW).
If they used a bipolar, it would need power (base current) to get low-Z / 0V /
AC-is-not-OK. Catch-22.
The JFET conducts by default (gate JFET.G=0V), it needs V to pinch off conduction so it
can go ’high'.
But that JFET.G V must be negative (relative to source terminal JFET.S) to pinch off.
And that’s why E1 has GND-pin at –V, so it’s output “Power-OK” can drive the JFET.G below
JFET.S which is at circuit GND.
So:
E1a.+ E1b.– Power-OK(E1b.out)
AC-OK
==== ==== =============== =====
power good: +5V ~~ +15V ~~ –12V ~
hi-Z
power-bad: +5V ~~ < E1a.+ >+6V ~
low-Z
power-off: 0V 0V 0V
low-Z
~ = approximate
(Above is supposed to render as a tabbed table)
...
Vstart is 11.3V and Vz is 6.4V. I have not been able
to find where Vz comes
from on the schematic either, if I elaborate the KiCad schematics further I
will try to find its source.
TDS = Tony’s schematic
DRM = DEC rainbow manual per Wayne’s ref.
Vz is in the lower left corner of TDS.pdf.5.
Vz is apparently “V PR” in DRM and should be 5.1V [DRM.pdf.261-7.4.2.1].
Which is to say the zener there is some 5.1V type.
6.4V is rather high.
I would suggest finding that zener on the board and measure right across it.
11.3V also seems a little low for output from a 7812.
TDS.Vstart is apparently DRM.Vbias.
The supply to E1, E2 and E3 is 11.3V,
referenced to the GND output, the GND pin on E1 is -12.9V and the GND pins
on E2 and E3 are -0.7V
I would still suggest checking the two “–12V” sources for connection.
I expect they are not connected, and that E1.GND goes to the 2K7 “startup" –12V
[TDS.pdf.2-lower-left-quadrant].
Measuring E2,E3.GND at –0.7 is a little odd if they are connected directly to circuit GND,
you might want to look if there is a diode dropper involved for those pins.
Let me know if I have missed anything.