> -----Original Message-----
> From: wrcooke(a)wrcooke.net <wrcooke(a)wrcooke.net>
> Sent: 08 October 2023 04:15
> To: rob(a)jarratt.me.uk; Rob Jarratt via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: [cctalk] VT100: Failing 2114 Chip Replaced With One With The
> Same Fault
>
>
>
> > On 10/07/2023 5:35 PM CDT Rob Jarratt via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I find this really hard to explain. It can't be the chip selection
> > logic because then the addresses 0x2400-0x2407 would also fail and I
> > checked the CS signal with the logic analyser just to be sure. I also
> > checked the address lines directly on the RAM chip for any stuck bits
> > and they seemed fine too.
> >
> >
> >
> > What are the chances of two 2114 chips failing at exactly the same address?
> > Is there some failure mode I might not be considering?
> >
> > Rob
>
> Perhaps it isn't the 2114 or its associated circuit at all. Maybe some other
> device is being incorrectly selected by that address and driving (half) the bus
> low? Just a thought.
Many thanks for the suggestion. This hadn't crossed my mind, so I checked. All the things that I could identify on the schematic that connect to the bus (UART, interrupt vector, flag buffer and modem signals) seem not to be enabled. I have looked at what is sinking the data bus, there is a buffer which seems to be OK and the 8251 PIC. The PIC is harder to check but I can see it is not selected and the input pins don’t appear to be shorted.
Not really sure what else to consider.
>
> Will
>
> If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people to collect wood and don't
> assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless
> immensity of the sea.
>
> Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Hi
I have had so many inquiries for the boards on my list its
difficult to respond to them all.
Please make an offer for what you want.
Allow an additional minimum of $50 for UK to US shipping
I'll keep the offer list open for a few days.
Rod Smallwood
I posted recently that I had identified a faulty RAM chip in my VT100 and
having replaced it the terminal seemed to get further into the self test.
After further analysis with the logic analyser I have realised that it is
still failing the RAM test, despite an apparent change in behaviour. I think
the change in behaviour could be simply due to the slightly suspect keyboard
cable.
But here is the puzzle. When I first identified the faulty RAM chip if found
that address 0x2408 would read back as 0x0A instead of 0xAA. I reckon this
equates to E50 in the schematic, as it is the upper nibble of the second
bank of RAM. I replaced the chip with one I bought recently. It turns out
the self-test is still failing at the SAME address.
I find this really hard to explain. It can't be the chip selection logic
because then the addresses 0x2400-0x2407 would also fail and I checked the
CS signal with the logic analyser just to be sure. I also checked the
address lines directly on the RAM chip for any stuck bits and they seemed
fine too.
What are the chances of two 2114 chips failing at exactly the same address?
Is there some failure mode I might not be considering?
Thanks
Rob
Quote:
> I could be remembering incorrectly but I think the Gould PN6080 mini we had exclusively for third year
> comp sci at Macquarie Uni in the mid/late 80s was 32-bit made up of AMD2900 family logic (2901 ALU's).
Find attached two pages of the CPU drawings of a Concept 32/67 and
PowerNode 6000. Here the AMD 2901s show up. You remembered correctly!
Geert Rolf
owner of a PowerNode 6040 -- see
https://geerol.home.xs4all.nl/DownLoad/UTX-paper.pdf
There was a PDP-8 (rack straight 8 with asr33) that was on ebay that
disappeared..anyone know if it was sold? I can't find it, maybe the seller
pulled the auction to sell privately.
Bill
Here's a question for all our Computer Museum curators.
Have any of the old GEAC Library systems ever been salvaged and put into
a museum? They were curious boxes and I think would make a nice addition
to a collection.
bill
Hi all
I re-discovered some eurocards I found in a box at a swapmeet long ago.
It looks like a complete 8085 system. Lots of RAM, 2K EPROM, I/O, FDC.
The strange thing is that the EPROM is mapped at F800, the code in there
looks like 8085 code, and looks like it wants to live at F800. And there's
RAM at 0000.
The DIN41612 A/C 64 pin bus has provision for 16 bits data.
Pics here http://retro.co.za/8085/Microcom/
Anyone maybe have more information on this? I'm curious.
W
I have my faulty VT100 now passing the RAM test, but it is still not
producing any output to the screen. Looking at the DC012 chip it seems to be
permanently asserting the interrupt line and not generating any DMA HOLD
REQUEST signals. It seems that all the clock inputs are running (DOT CLK,
CHAR CLK, VERT RESET). Unless there are other clock inputs not shown on the
schematic, I think this suggests that the DC012 is faulty.
Does anyone know of any other reason why the DC012 might behave this way?
Anyone have a spare DC012 chip?
I have posted a bit more detail here:
https://robs-old-computers.com/2023/10/01/vt100-ram-fault/
Thanks
Rob
Hi Tony and all
>It might have run CP/M (which will run on an 8080, and therefore on an
>8085). That needs RAM at location 0000 [1].
I know of CP/M, I even used CP/M (on my Apple) but I did not know it
needs RAM at 0000. That's kind of strange, since everything that ran
CP/M (OK, everything -80) has vectors at 0. I guess there was a reason
behind it.
I see the CPU board has a jumper "F000/F800" so I guess it does something
to map that address to 0 after reset.
W
I have some open slots in some of my racks. I do have some old DEC
rails, but I have a fair amount of equipment, from both DEC and other
manufacturers, for which those rails are not suitable.
Does anyone have any specific recommendations for shelving? (where
equipment could just be slid on top of, if the equipment isn't too wide
- some pieces are very close to 19 inches all by themselves, and were
designed for front cantilever style mounting.)
Would also be interested in specific recommendations for the following:
DEC VR14 (I have one on a PDP-12 with proper rails, but have another to
mount and don't have proper rails for it)
HP 88780 (Perhaps a shelf is the best bet for these?)
JRJ
Same place as last year in the big parking lot across from Brookdale and
down the street from InfoAge Science and History Museums.
We have Southern Monmouth County Firehouse museum selling food and drinks
in the middle.
This is a fundraiser for both museums (VCF and Firehouse museum) which are
both part of InfoAge.
All the info is here: https://vcfed.org/vcf-swap-meet/
Thanks!
Jeff Brace
VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President
Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner
VCF Mid-Atlantic Event Manager
Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity
https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>
jeffrey(a)vcfed.org
The DEC H7441 regulator is a relatively complex circuit using 2 x 555
timers, 2 x LM301 op-amps, 2 x transformers and 2 inductors
I am struggling to understand how it is meant to work and was hoping to
find a maintenance manual for it.
Could anyone with such a manual please help?
Alternatively is there another explanation of the operation of this or
similar types of circuits?
The circuit implements a switch mode supply.
One of the two 555 timers operates as an oscillator, the second I think
operates as a monoflop with the pulse length controlled via one of the
LM301s.
Overall the circuit seems very complex and while I understand parts of it,
other parts are mysterious.
In particular the top left section around Q1/Q2/Q3 and T1/T2 and E3 is most
confusing.
I did not find anything remotely similar in "The Art of Electronics" from
Horowitz & Winfield.
The H7441 schematics are available from here:
https://deramp.com/downloads/mfe_archive/011-Digital%20Equipment%20Corporat…
Thanks for any help or suggested reading material.
Tom
I bought this giant GCR tape drive on eBay five years ago,
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/fujitsu/_brochures/M244X_Brochure_1984.pdf
hoping to be able to use it to extract analog signals from 6250 BPI
tapes to feed into my decoding program.
https://github.com/LenShustek/readtape
I failed to figure out how to get the right signals out, and
eventually abandoned the project. I now need the space it takes, so
I'm offering it for free before consigning it to the landfill. It's
big (20" x 24" x 30" on the wheeled stand I built) and heavy (160
lbs) so I won't ship it. Pickup only, on the San Francisco peninsula.
Hi,
who knows details about the DEC VT36 Color Graphics Display Control System (
https://classic.technology/vt36-color-graphics-display-control-system/)?
I'm looking for manuals for the VT36 as well as for the associated
VAX-11/PROVUE or RSX-11/PROVUE software.
Anyone with personal experience with the VT36 and/or PROVUE?
Ulli
Good afternoon to all,
I am starting the process of selling off some of my vintage computer systems, so as to not burden anyone I leave behind.
The systems I list here are available for viewing in Bedford, NH, just west of Manchester, NH. Anyone interested can send me an e-mail message and we can set up an appointment for you to visit. Cash and Carry, of course, and reasonable offers will be considered.
Altair 8800c — $2500
I constructed this system early in 2019. I built the front panel and front panel interface boards, and soldered up the backplane. The rest of the boards were purchased assembled and tested. You can see the Altair 8800c story here: https://deramp.com/altair.html The system is fully tested and working, currently using virtual Altair disk drives via the Deramp application. Plenty of documentation.
Single 8 inch disk drive in a dual drive cabinet — $500
This physical disk drive has been paired with the Altair 8800c in the past. Works fine. I included will be an 8 inch disk drive that used to be in this cabinet until the power supply failed. I believe this drive can be repaired. Included will be another 8 inch drive that is the wrong form factor to fit into the cabinet. Purchased on eBay, untested.
Altair 680 — $2000
I acquired this system on eBay back at the end of 2018. It was not working, but a bit of troubleshooting discovered bad ram which was replaced. The least significant LED of the address display does not light, but I’ve tested that the proper signals are there. I simply did not want to risk changing out the LED. This system comes with the 4-slot riser, but the connectors are not yet soldered in. No add-in boards. Plenty of documentation.
Complete SWTPC 6800 clone system from Corsham Technologies — $400
I acquired this system from Bob at Corsham in the middle of 2018. It is the complete setup, with the full 64K ram and the virtual disk drives. Documentation available at Corsham Technologies: http://www.corshamtech.com <http://www.corshamtech.com/>
Northstar Horizon — $800
I purchased this system on eBay as a running system. From time to time I had problems with the top 8K ram on the Horizon 64K ram board. The 64k ram board has been replaced with a Compupro Ram 17 (or clone), works great, no problems. I will include the glitchy Horizon 64K ram board. FYI, a Deramp Virtual Sector Generator works great with this system, eliminating the need for hard sector diskettes. https://deramp.com/vsg.html
Thanks for listening!
smp
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Stephen Pereira
Bedford, NH 03110
KB1SXE
Good afternoon to all,
I am starting the process of selling off some of my vintage computer systems, so as to not burden anyone I leave behind.
The systems I list here are available for viewing in Bedford, NH, just west of Manchester, NH. Anyone interested can send me an e-mail message and we can set up an appointment for you to visit. Cash and Carry, of course, and reasonable offers will be considered.
Altair 8800c — $2500
I constructed this system early in 2019. I built the front panel and front panel interface boards, and soldered up the backplane. The rest of the boards were purchased assembled and tested. You can see the Altair 8800c story here: https://deramp.com/altair.html The system is fully tested and working, currently using virtual Altair disk drives via the Deramp application. Plenty of documentation.
Single 8 inch disk drive in a dual drive cabinet — $500
This physical disk drive has been paired with the Altair 8800c in the past. Works fine. I included will be an 8 inch disk drive that used to be in this cabinet until the power supply failed. I believe this drive can be repaired. Included will be another 8 inch drive that is the wrong form factor to fit into the cabinet. Purchased on eBay, untested.
Altair 680 — $2000
I acquired this system on eBay back at the end of 2018. It was not working, but a bit of troubleshooting discovered bad ram which was replaced. The least significant LED of the address display does not light, but I’ve tested that the proper signals are there. I simply did not want to risk changing out the LED. This system comes with the 4-slot riser, but the connectors are not yet soldered in. No add-in boards. Plenty of documentation.
Complete SWTPC 6800 clone system from Corsham Technologies — $400
I acquired this system from Bob at Corsham in the middle of 2018. It is the complete setup, with the full 64K ram and the virtual disk drives. Documentation available at Corsham Technologies: http://www.corshamtech.com <http://www.corshamtech.com/>
Northstar Horizon — $800
I purchased this system on eBay as a running system. From time to time I had problems with the top 8K ram on the Horizon 64K ram board. The 64k ram board has been replaced with a Compupro Ram 17 (or clone), works great, no problems. I will include the glitchy Horizon 64K ram board. FYI, a Deramp Virtual Sector Generator works great with this system, eliminating the need for hard sector diskettes. https://deramp.com/vsg.html
Thanks for listening!
smp
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Stephen Pereira
Bedford, NH 03110
KB1SXE
Group,
Ive got a tape here from what I believe to be a VM system. The
structure is unknown to me, although I can possibly take a stab at it.
Lots of data between tapemarks that seems to consist of a number of
records that start out something like this (translated from EBCIDC):
> 00000000 02 43 4d 53 46 30 30 30 31 31 32 30 35 31 31 32 |.CMSF00011205112|
> 00000010 34 37 30 37 36 30 31 32 32 32 31 31 30 31 31 31 |4707601222110111|
Another example:
> 00000000 02 43 4d 53 46 44 41 54 41 20 5f 4e 55 4c 4c 5f |.CMSFDATA _NULL_|
> 00000010 3b 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 |; |
> 00000020 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 | |
The data itself appears to be a bunch of 80 character card images.
I found a mention on the old yahoo groups H390-VM discussions, but no
clarity was ever shed on the subject.
Does anyone know about this tape format?
--Chuck
Seems like rather than going through MUSIC/SP it'd be easier to just fire
up VM/CE 1.2 (which is VM/370 r6) and use CMS TAPE (which is present)
directly from the CMS UI. You can probably attach the file you've got as a
tape device; not entirely sure Hercules will like the format, but it
wouldn't hurt to try.
Adam
I'd like to get an ISA based transputer card. Something with multiple
cpus (so not the B004).
A B008 or one of the clones that accepts multiple TRAM modules would be
ideal (https://www.geekdot.com/inmos-b008)
It doesn't have to be TRAM. I saw this multi-cpu board on ebay.ie but a)
it's more than I was hoping to spend b) I can't find any info on it.
Whatever I get I want there to be reasonable docs and archived
software: https://www.ebay.ie/itm/234283597489
Suggestions on what to look for welcomed. I'm in no rush and good things
come to those who wait. I'm in the USA but have family in the UK and go
there often so I'm looking on ebay.co.uk
Thanks!
Hello all,
as it will be soon of importance to us, I am seeking for the systems
engineering manual and drawings, well, everything about the IBM 727 tape
drive (not the 729!). I especially need the module locations charts and
the module schematics.
I see that there is the CE manual on bitsavers. Eventually, the other
manuals are available somewhere, too?
Christian
I have a non-functioning VT100. I think it is failing in the POST during the
RAM check. I don't know for sure because I can't get it to light up the LEDs
on the keyboard, however I used my logic analyser (a HP1630G) to see what
values were written to the UART to send to the keyboard and I see it sends
the values FF then 1, 2, 3, 4 and finally 5. The last value corresponds to
the RAM test so I am fairly confident the RAM test is what is failing.
I have disassembled the VT100 ROM and if I have understood it correctly it
zeroes out the RAM (high address to low) and then for each address (low
address to high) it tries first to read back the zero and then writes 0xAA
to the location and tries to read that back.
I am also confident the 8080 is working OK because I was able to capture an
address trace on the ROM that showed it executing the program as per the
disassembled ROM.
My problem is getting the logic analyser reliably to tell me how each RAM
chip is being addressed and what data is being read or written. I am seeing
strange values for the addresses (sometimes) and I am not sure I have setup
the logic analyser correctly. I have read the datasheet for the 2114 chip
and I am not entirely clear that I have understood it correctly. Here is how
I have set it up:
Trigger on the -ve edge of Chip Select (pin 8)
Capture A9-A0 as the address
Capture WE as an indication of Read or Write
The timing diagrams show the write cycle where the WE signal and CE signal
seem to transition at the same time and the data may be only valid a bit
later then the CS -ve edge. But this may just be me not knowing how to read
the datasheet. Using the +ve edge of CS seems no better.
Is there something I am missing about how to analyse how the RAM chips are
being used?
Thanks
Rob
Not quite computer tech but I figure this is the best place to ask:
Does anyone recognize the display tech that was used on the Concorde's in-cabin display?
Examples:
https://samchui.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/CON15.jpghttps://samchui.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/CON16.jpg
The display had fully-formed digits and letters, and showed either Mach and Feet, or Temp and MPH. Some pictures show the display in green and others show it in orange - which of course were popular monochrome CRT colors, yet the display looks too "flat" to be a couple CRT's. Those colors were also popular for Electroluminiscent displays which matches the evident "flatness" but I'm not sure I've seen any EL's with fully formed digits like this with no visible segmentation?
I want to guess it was individual digits back-projected - which was a popular control-theater display tech at the end of the 20th century - but I can't rule out, say, really well-done edge-lit character plates. In any event there doesn't seem to be any visible jitter up and down between digits that I might expect with either of those technologies.
The "FEET" display in the above-referenced JPG's shows some artifacts at the left and right edges which might be a clue?
Some pics of the BA Concorde interior had a simple 15-segment and 7-segment green LED display. Don't need help with that one 🙂.
Tim N3QE
I'm looking for someone near Glasnevin near Dublin, Ireland who would be
willing to pick up an item for me and ship it to me State-side. Seller
will not ship.
Thank you in advance.
Sellam
Hi,
I am looking for a CH3s QH50, P/N 63F3825 for a 9221 ES/9000.
A CH1s would also do.
Anyone have an ES/9000 that is a brick because no processor console
that can help me out?
Regards,
Kevin
The recent Ebay auction for the original PDP-8 got my attention because one
of the photos (the processor logic flipchip array) is a nice snapshot for
comparison purposes with the system I am working on.
https://vintagecomputer.net/digital/pdp-8/PDP-8_flip-chips_left.png (mine)
https://vintagecomputer.net/temp/EBAYPDP-8ProcessorFlipchips.jpg
Given my PDP-8 is close to working, I would assume that the Ebay PDP-8
would have a fighting chance, at least as far as the flip chip
configuration goes. This is also a nice confirmation that I more or less
have the flipchips in the right places. There are only a few slight
differences.
Bill
Hi all,
Looking for an original Sun 370-2068, which is a PS2 to Sun keyboard adapter. If anyone has one please DM me, happy to pay a reasonable price & international shipping if needed.
Thanks!
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Everything I know about floppy disks
2023-08-28
Floppy disk drives are curious things. We know them as the slots that
ingest those small almost-square plastic "floppy disks" and we only
really see them now in Computer Museums. But there's a lot going on in
that humble square of plastic and I wanted to write down what I've
learned so far.
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https://thejpster.org.uk/blog/blog-2023-08-28/
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Anyone in Sheffield UK? There is an Acorn Archemedies computer I am
interested in buying but the guy is collection only. I am in the USA, but
interested in buying and repairing the system.
- Ethan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 8, 2023, at 13:16, Wayne S <wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> but presents itself to an OS as a Mass Storage Device (block device).
Anders, for what practical purpose would you do that?
It’s not like there’s so many 8 inch floppies around to make it feasible. You would have to have a LOT of intelligence in the Usb interface due to the different physical formats let alone the software formats.
It would be difficult.
>> If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people to collect wood and
>> don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the
>> endless immensity of the sea.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> We must teach Fred to long for the endless immensity of the written word
> (in book form, focusing specifically on floppy disk drives).
45 years ago, I started writing about repairing Honda cars. Wasn't getting far
until an acquaintance who fancied himself to be a writer got me to agree to do
a book with him. He sold the idea to John Muir Publications (publisher of the
Volkswagen Idiot book, different John Muir). I wrote it, my co-author edited,
the publisher put their own editor on it, who butchered it. But, the publisher
also brought in Peter Aschwanden, who is a GREAT automotive illustrator (see
the VW idiot book). In 1979, I switched to TRS80, and did it with Electric
Pencil, and then Scripsit. I had a DTC300 Hytype-I daisy wheel printer. I
printed it 8.5" wide down the middle of 14 7/8 paper, giving lots of room for
comments, etc. For the illustrator, I printed it on the left side of the wide
paper, leaving a large area for doodles. The publisher's editor butchered it
badly enough that my co-author switched to a pseudonym. With the publisher's
accounting, never got enough in royalties to fuuly pay all of my expenses.
https://www.amazon.com/How-Keep-Your-Honda-Alive/dp/0912528257
In the 1990s, I started writing about floppy disks, how FM/MFM worked, IBM/WD
track and sector structure, directory structures, DOS Utilities, disk repair,
etc.
But, got bogged down with too much to do, such as closing my office, etc., . .
.
20 years ago, I started writing an undergraduate textbook on Information
Science. How searches and search engines work, and how to search better, how
companies cheat the search engines (SEO), relevance ranking, trade-offs between
recall and precision (cf. Buckland), the DIK[W[E]]
(Data/Information/Knowledge/[Wisdom/[Enlightenment]]) pyramid, etc. I wanted
to make a community college class out of it. But, certain administrators (who I
failed to ever defenestrate) refused to consider understanding of information
to be appropriate for community college (anything beyond their total lack of
comprehension was "inappropriate")
(Do YOU consider it "computer literate" to create a memo about a room change
for a meeting in WordPerfect, print it with a color printer (for the logo and a
ruling line), SCAN that printed memo, and send it out as an ATTACHMENT to an
email with subject line of "FYI" and text body of "See the attachment"?)
I haven't made progress on it lately.
So, yes, I have always longed for the endless immensity of the written word, .
. .
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
I got the chance to attend another great VCF! This time in Chicago over
this past weekend.
Most images should be able to click and enlarge (if not, wiggle the page a
bit and try again).
https://voidstar.blog/vcf-mw-midwest-2023/
I've started pulling parts for people who have requested them and keep
finding things I had forgotten. A few things of possible interest include:
PDP-8A parts including backplanes, most CPU boards, 128K, MM board MM8-AA/AB
8-E boxes and boards
DECMATE Rainbow, and PRO systems and parts
A few 11/05, 11/10 boxes
a new 54-21149 KN15 cpu
VS40X 4 plane color options
SI-QS 1000 board labeled QED 993 CPU
Tape drive heads
LA36, LA120, and other printers and parts
various VTs and monitors and parts
MFM and floppy drives
Qbus boxes and hundreds of boards
1000s of DEC boards and parts
possible a few 3000 and 5000 boxes and parts
If anyone wants to stop by and look for things, please contact me off list
to set up a time. Most of the people who have stopped by would say I have
quite a lot of DEC items.
If you have any questions contact me off list.
There have been a number of Ebay listings for various ns32k software, QIC
tapes and 1/2 inch tapes. I thought I would buy them if there were no other
bids to try to recover the contents.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225759541222https://www.ebay.com/itm/225759543101https://www.ebay.com/itm/225750706891
But there was a buyer and I didn't want to fight over something where I
don't have the actual hardware. Maybe someone here is the buyer? I am just
curious if this will end up on bitsavers in the future?
/Mattis
Hi all,
I just bought a very clean, DSDD 8" disk drive off eBay and it has a 50p
connector which I guess is the common Shugart type? I also found a 50p->
34p adaptor PCB design someone documented online.
I haven't delved much into floppy formats (high level or low level) but I'm
somewhat familiar with filesystems from FAT12. My ultimate goal is to
create an open-source USB adaptor that reads/writes the contents of an 8"
disk but presents itself to an OS as a Mass Storage Device (block device).
Is such a thing possible?
I once created a terrible custom format for storing data on a flash chip
which required no low-level format, but I expect a magnetic disk needs
headers/trailers to know when a track starts/stops so it can skip around.
I checked out the KyroFlux website and it seems there are dozens of formats
that were used for 8" disks - is there a favorite format among the
community that allows full use of a 1.2MB 8" disk?
Any pointers are appreciated!
Anders
www.andersknelson.com
Some of you might recall that Apple released a series of machines based
on the Newton OS in the early 1990s. There were eight models in total
from Apple, and a few more from third parties who licensed both the
hardware and software to make eg. ruggedized handhelds, or "smart"
(landline) phones.
The operating system was bespoke. It had a Lisp influence during
development, but by the time it was released, it used a language called
NewtonScript that had an Algol-ish syntax with Lisp/Self-like
semantics. Although the OS core was written in C++, large parts of the
system were written in NewtonScript as well, as were the built-in
applications.
Newtons ended up as a dead-end branch of computer evolution. The
product line was cancelled by Jobs following his return to Apple, and
despite a few little respectful nods, iOS has basically no commonality
with NewtonOS. Ironically, the handwriting recognition engine (the
focal point for most Newton criticism) outlived the devices and was
ported to and shipped with Mac OS X.
A Newton emulator, called Einstein, exists. It's able to run the OS,
the built-in apps, and to install and run third-party applications with
good fidelity to the original experience. It requires a ROM image to
function. Apple made various ROM images available, and it's possible to
extract the image from a physical Newton device, but the consensus is
that it isn't legal to distribute these ROM images. This makes setting
up the emulator more complex than is ideal.
The NewtonTalk mailing list is a group of Newton fans that remain
engaged with the platform to this day, and we're currently discussing
the possibility of legally obtaining the Newton ROM images from
Apple. We've been heartened by Apple's recent releases of MacPaint
and the Lisa OS to the CHM, and are wondering if Apple might be
persuaded to release at least the NewtonOS ROM, or (ideally) system's
source code.
If there's anyone who was either involved in those previous
negotiations, or could introduce us to someone who was, and is willing
to offer advice and/or assistance with our quest ... really, any helpful
pointers would be useful, and much appreciated.
Cheers,
d
https://github.com/pguyot/Einsteinhttp://newtontalk.net/
Hi.
Has anyone got SCO Unix to successfully install and run on Virtualbox?
My efforts have failed. My host is Ubuntu 22.04 with Virtualbox 7.0.10.
Thanks, Ken
--
WWL 📚
I had heard he was in poor health due to a bad diagnosis but it's tragic to
hear he's gone now.
It was because his annual Free Stuff Days I was able to build up most of my
lab equipment. Those were the days when you could still pull up and fill
your car with all sorts of goodies. I bought my first real EPROM programmer
(a 29B) from him.
-John
I guess not many have survived but I want to ask if someone/some place has
software (papertapes, ...) for the Texas Instruments 960 minicomputers.
We have a 960B but at the moment, it is pretty much useless. I could
toggle in a small program, but would appreciate something like FORTRAN or
an assembler.
Christian
I purchased several items from Walter at Sphere over the years. I suspect many
others of you Tek and HP fans on this list have, too. He was always helpful and
kind. Walter has been ill for some time and passed away yesterday.
It's good that his wife, Susan, will continue to run the business (I got an
email from Susan before Walter passed so stating).
Here is a link to Walter's obituary: https://bit.ly/3qZ2lBX
Regards,
Lyle
--
73 NM6Y
Bickley Consulting West
https://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
I plan on arriving around noon, and leaving around 6ish.
I have most Q-bus and MicroVAX CPU and memory boards along with options and
non-DEC boards.
In UNI-BUS, I have MOS and core sets plus most options.
I can't take everything with me, and whatever doesn't sell at VCFMW can be
shipped (small items) after I return.
If you are looking for any DEC product, feel free to contact me.
Thanks, Paul
This sounds kinda fun (via the Adafruit weekly Python on
microcontrollers newsletter):
https://pydata.org/language-creator-fundraiser/
Panelists:
Adele Goldberg - Smalltalk
Guido Van Rossum - Python
Anders Hejlsberg - Turbo Pascal, C#, TypeScript
James Gosling - Java
"PyData Seattle presents its inaugural charity event. The event will
feature the creators of C#, Java, Perl, Python, TypeScript, and
Smalltalk in a conversation about programming language design.
The charity event brings together this unique group of computer
science pioneers, unlike any event held before. These great minds come
together for what will surely be a fantastic night of discussion as
the panel delves into the past and future of programming language
creation. The event will attract innovators and engineers from
Seattle, the nation’s fastest-growing technology hub.
The event is a benefit for Last Mile Education Fund and NUMFOCUS."
General admission $229, Students $75.
12:00 - 4:00 PM September 19th, 2023
Cinemark Lincoln Square, Cinemas and IMAX
700 Bellevue Way NE, Suite 310 Bellevue WA 98004
Hi all,
I recently acquired an S-100 computer, and it came with a video card and a keyboard (3rd party products, not originally equipped with these). I am trying to figure out the benefits of having a video card and keyboard vs just using a serial port and terminal. Certainly if the video card supported graphics, that would be a reason to go that route over a terminal. As for the keyboard, ok-maybe you need specific keys for a specific application. But I don't understand the video monitor. I could understand maybe if there was an RF modulator so that you could use a standard TV. That would save the builder some money. But this computer just provides composite.
Other than graphics (and maybe some special function keys for an application on a keyboard), why would an S-100 builder in those days opt to buy a video card instead of a terminal?
Thanks for the bandwidth.
73 Eugene W2HX
Subscribe to my Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
Just to add, interestingly, Singer also purchased General Precision from Librascope.
Librascope/General Precision were the folks that had earlier acquired Royal-McBee. Royal-McBee developed the wonderful (some consider the first "personal" computer) LGP-30 vacuum-tube, magnetic drum computer that was designed by Manhattan Project theoretical physicist Stanley Frankel.
Frankel had quite a legacy in the world of computing, having contributed to the design of the delay-line-based Packard Bell PB-250(with Max Palevsky), and development of a custom high-speed computer for Continental Oil Company called CONAC (used for data reduction of sounding operations search for oil deposits).
Frankel also developed an early electronic calculator design that was purchased by Smith Corona/Marchant (SCM) and produced as the CRT-display SCM Cogito 240 calculator, augmented with Square Root as to Cogito 240SR.
Frankel also collaborated with SCM on the development of the logic for the first set of LSI integrated circuits that were used in the later Nixie-tube display Cogito calculators.
He also developed a very interesting calculator, based somewhat on the principles of the LGP-30 computer for Diehl in West Germany. The machine was fully transistorized and used only 142 transistors in its logic. It was based on magnetostrictive delay lines (two of them), and was a fully microcoded architecture, I believe the first electronic calculator to be completely microcoded.
Since read-only memory (for the microcode) was either physically very large, or complex and expensive to build at the time (diode ROM, wire rope ROM), the microcode was loaded into the calculator at power-up time from a two channel punched metal tape. One channel provided the clocking, and the other channel provided the bits.
It took just under a minute from when the calculator was powered on until the microcode was loaded into a delay line, and from there, all operations of the machine were controlled by the microcode in the delay line.
The machine was able to be implemented with so few transistors because the microcode word was quite wide, and was designed so that it was sequentially interpreted as the bits streamed out of the delay line, so not all that many flip flops were needed. Working registers were stored in the other delay line, along with program steps (yes, the machine was programmable).
The design was very elegant. The machine debuted as the Diehl Combitron, and the cool thing about its design was that it was really easy to augment by just changing the microcode tape (which was quite easily done...bugfixes could be easly installed even by end-users, though such was discouraged).
Soon after the Combitron was introduced, an augmented version was introduced called the Combitron-S that added a small amount of I/O circuitry and additional microcode to implement operations to allow the addition of an external punched paper tape reader/punch.
An interesting aspect of electronic calculator history is that there are a number of people whose names pop up at various points in time during the evolution of the technology. Frankel was one of those, along with a cast of a few others, all of whom had major impacts in the realm of electronic calculator (and the eventual evolution of the electronic calculator into what became the microcontroller/microprocessor that spurred the development of the personal computer).
Jon,
I have an Emulex QD21 that I could part with. I was hoping to attend VCF MW but it looks very doubtful at this point. I also have a spare DEQNA or DELQA. I have not tested these boards to verify that they work although I could test the ethernet boards on a PDP-11. Hans-Ulrich Hölscher mentioned work he did testing MicroVAX II transfers with Lee Gleason’s MicroVAX I project to transfer disk images on bare metal (no-OS) MicroVAX systems. I think that would be your best bet to recover your ESDI disk. If you don’t have any luck at the VCCF MW getting what you need, send me an email and we can work something out.
Best,
Mark
FYI, SDF retro computing and home brew exhibition is scheduled for September 30 to October 1 in Seattle WA . Link to the exhibit is at https://sdf.org/icf/ and https://icm.museum/
- - - -
Tarek Hoteit
tarek(a)infocom.ai
+1 360-838-3675
https://infocom.ai
Have you considered sqlite3? It's a SQL engine, but the backend is just a
file. So it doesn't support concurrent access by multiple users, but if
that's not a concern, it gives you the ability to do real SQL queries
without the bother of setting up an RDBMS.
Adam
I have found some plotter pens. Ons pack says Calcomp 104x, 1023. The other
I can't trace. They look like they clip into ring. Pics here.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ag4BJfE5B3onnqhG_uReQsCndYafvg?e=WpT5nw
I have a few more of the Calcomp, packets of the un-branded sort.
Free for the cost of postage
Dave
To all,
Some 20 years ago, I led the Computer History Museum's restoration of an
IBM 1620 Model 1 computer. Our team was successful in both bringing the
machine back to life and collecting a massive amount of manuals, books,
and software for the machine. Most notable the John Maniotes
collection. I can safely say that CHM has the largest collection of IBM
1620 material in the world.
We are still looking for IBM 1620 Model 1 manuals to add to collection.
Please let me know if you have anything that we might be missing.
In the past 2 years, several people have been writing simulators for the
IBM 1620 Model 2 that go well beyond SIMH's instruction-level
simulator. These simulators are based on the logic diagrams of the
machine and implement unusual corner cases as well as documented
functionality. One of the simulators has a text-based front panel while
another one has a full true-to-life graphical front panel. It's not my
place to formally announce either program, that's for the creators to do
once they complete their implementations. I've been consulting with the
engineers and am reaching out to the broader community for help.
What they need, and CHM would be very interested in adding to its IBM
1620 collection, is original software specifically for the IBM 1620
Model 2. Of particular interest are the IBM 1620 Monitor II and IBM
1620-2 diagnostics, but any Model 2 software would be helpful to their
efforts.
Please let me know if you have and IBM 1620 Model 2 software or manuals.
Thanks,
Dave Babcock
Hi guys,
I have 8 "new" Chips from Signetics, they are labeled:
S7536
N8220B
and on the backside between the pins "8220".
Does anyone know what they do? My search with google and
in the 1976 Signetics Date Manual (from Bitsavers) wasn't helpful...
Thanx in advance,
Holm
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If anyone wants any DEC gear brought up to wcfmw, please contact me off
list.
If anyone is driving out from the NJ area, I have a few pieces of audio
equipment I need to get transported to IL.
I also collect US and foreign coins and currency, and am interested in
buying or trading for DEC items.
Thanks, Paul
Classic computers have a value in our capitalist society. Take the Apple-1:
Its value can be in the $100,000s. One is for sale now: ~ $200,000. Next
seems to be the Kenbak-1 valued somewhere around $50,000. Now, I’m not
suggesting money is the epitome for evaluating our hobby but it goes a long
way to explaining its longevity.
Happy computing.
Murray 🙂
Add. I'm unable to get the output from your site but hope to contribute in
some small way.
I finally got an Emacs running on v7--it's on misspiggy at LCML now as "ue".
It's Microemacs 3.6; what I did was to clone
https://github.com/troglobit/MicroEMACS and check out the first commit.
Some experimentation later, it had the usual problem with v7 and DEC
linkers that not all the function names (er, more generally exported
symbols, but in this case, function names) were unique in the first 7
characters (which is 6 if you're working with DEC OSes). So a bit of sed
later and I had something that built, linked, and appears to run with
TERM=vt100 set.
Arrow keys, naturally, don't work, but C-b, C-f, C-p, C-n do.
I think I'm going to just make a GH repo of it, but I'm happy to send the
tarball, or tar.uue, upon request. I find UUCP kinda fragile on my simh
installation, and I don't know how to get to Miss Piggy's (although the
uucp commands are there), so, well, uuencoding, a pasteboard buffer,
iTerm2's "Paste Slowly", and cat will work as a file transfer mechanism.
Now I'm going to run over to TUHS and announce the same.
Adam
On 8/3/2023 3:45 AM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote:
>
> I’d still prefer the IMSAI 8080 or SWTPC 6800 though.
>
While I have a couple Apple ]['s I really don't do much with them. Haven't
even turned one on since I retired from the University in 2015 and they
came home .
Wouldn't take an Apple 1 as a gift but I, too, would love to have an IMSAI
and a SWTPC 6800.
bill
I have heard rumors of one "fredmacs" which is a more-or-less emacs that
will run on PDP-11 v7 Unix. Since I've gotten "s" onto v7 and behaving
mostly happily, now I'd like an editor I actually _like_ rather than
_tolerate_.
Does anyone know where to find the fredmacs sources?
Adam
Hi all,
I just came across pictures on the LCM website about their SDS Sigma installation there.
On the pictures, one can see 10-platter disk packs in the corner and stored on the disk drives.
Did the LCM ever had these in operation, either for data retrieval or even demo purposes?
I know of the Jim Austin Computer museum where they fixed a CDC 9766 drive but it suffered
a head crash after a few hours according to their description which led to giving up the operation
of these drives.
Greetings,
Pierre
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Hi there
I recently had a mad hankering to add a SunPC card to my Sparcstation. A lot of you will be familiar with the SBUS cards with a 486 or '586' processor.
Does anyone have one spare they would like to part with? Please PM me if you do.
Anything really not at all fussed.
This sort of re-creates a setup I had as a post graduate when I had a new 486DX2 alongside a Sparcstation 2, or at least had access to them. Both were pretty amazing machines at the time.
I do remember benchmarking these two machines running similar C software I'd compiled up (a simple electromagnetic simulator), and it was noticeable that the sparcstation was at least twice as fast.
Hello all. I looking around for a Logic Analyzer for doing (mostly) DEC QBus/UniBus stuff. Being the way I am I want something with enough lines to handle the most of the signals so I'm guessing something with roughly 80-ish channels. I think that lets out all/most of the USB based LA. I've looked around and it seems the the HP/Agilent 16700 series (16700B/16702B) are probably what I want. I've also seen the 1670G which also seems quite doable. I've seen a lot of posts at the EEVblog and it seems I missed possibly the golden age of 16700 LA by a few years price-wise.
What I'm wondering is if there is something specific I should be looking for, or opinions on which LA is more suitable. Or even if there is a different make of LA to look for.
Thanks in advance for your help
John H. Reinhardt
Hello All,
I am working to get my two microvax systems working, I have a couple of
microvax 3800 systems.
While I am waiting to get the real hardware going, I would like to set up
simh with vms to use for testing.
I don't really need the latest version of vms, any old version with tcp/ip
would work. I do have about 16 dumb terminals i want to run as a lab and
connect to the vax.
Can anyone provide guidance on this matter for setting up and install of
VMS in sinh? I realize that there was the openvms hobbyist program, but i
may want to grab an older version of the os if it will run smoother on the
older hardware.
Open to suggestions, I hope to post back with some pictures once the real
vax 3800 hardware is running.
Thanks,
Devin D.
To clarify a couple of things in response to queries: my time for
divestment is "not yet"--but rest assured, when it arrives, I will
certainly see who wants things from my assortment (don't get too excited;
there's nothing super-rare or valuable in it, and I've always been more
concerned with restoring functionality than maintaining period-correctness;
I am one of those collectors who restores stuff to play with it, not to
then put it in shrinkwrap and preserve it for some uncertain future). And
should that time arrive suddenly, well, argh, I've been putting off making
a will too long, but I know who I'm going to put in charge of "everything
computery," and I trust her to make good decisions about the things she
doesn't want.
My understanding of sqlite (and it could be wrong) is that concurrent
writes aren't supported, and reads should block if a write is in progress
until the write completes. In practice it seems like most things are
one-sqlite-file-per-process and if that process is threaded, one would hope
the programmer understands what they're doing well enough to make it work.
There are fairly few cases I've seen where a single sqlite file is shared
between unrelated processes, which would take filesystem locking working
correctly to ensure correctness. Which is generally OK for local
filesystems, but NFS is still a bucket of worms when it comes to locking
behavior, and the number of people running systems that genuinely
understand NFS has been declining for decades. (I do not count myself
among those people.)
I have a Gesswein MFM emulator from decromancer.ca; who offer an adaptor that yields a 2nd MFM data connector.
I'll use mine in a Microvax 2000. Does anyone know how to hook it up as two MFM drives in a Microvax 2000?
The vendor sold a 1in high adaptor box, BA40A, with DD50 connectors to a second cabinet (same as CPU box) for a second drive.
DEC configured both primary and secondary drives identically (drive 3, IIRC). The Microvax 2000 Technical Manual gives the pinout from the mother board to the MFM/floppy daughterboard, but I can't find the pinout from that daughterboard to the cables anywhere.
I've been looking for a BA40A, for some years now, to trace the pin layout for a 2nd drive. Does anyone know it?
Has anyone successfully configured a single MFM emulator as two MFM drives in a Microvax 2000? Or to an RQDX3?
Been thinking about it a little recently, and, no, I definitely don't plan
to send my stuff to a scrapper. I have some younger friends with an
interest in retrocomputing. They want my stuff when I'm done with it,
sure. And if they want _just a little_ of my stuff I'll probably strike a
deal like, "you can have the SGI Indy if that box of IDE drives goes with
it, and you aren't allowed to throw it away until you're somewhere I'm not
going to see it by the side of the road."
Adam
Mike,
Well sadly I have no PDP-8 parts. I do have a few bits of Q-BUS PDP-11. Probably enough to build a complete 11.
I am also in the UK ….
Dave
From: Mike Katz <bitwiz(a)12bitsbest.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 3:53 PM
Cc: 'KenUnix' <ken.unix.guy(a)gmail.com>; dave.g4ugm(a)gmail.com
Subject: Re: [cctalk] Re: Disposition of stuff
I will gladly give a nice warm loving home to any PDP-8 equipment and parts that you have.
On Aug 19, 2023 6:16 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote:
Gentles,
The problem is I have stuff no one wants. Large plotter, dec writer in need of repair, Large Alpha server....
Suggestions?
Dave
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KenUnix via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> >
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 10:14 AM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> >
> Cc: KenUnix <ken.unix.guy(a)gmail.com <mailto:ken.unix.guy@gmail.com> >
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Disposition of stuff
>
> Adam,
>
> I agree. Give it a new home. Save computing history because when it's gone it's
> gone.
>
> Ken
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 10:02 PM Adam Thornton via cctalk <
> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote:
>
> > Been thinking about it a little recently, and, no, I definitely don't
> > plan to send my stuff to a scrapper. I have some younger friends with
> > an interest in retrocomputing. They want my stuff when I'm done with
> > it, sure. And if they want _just a little_ of my stuff I'll probably
> > strike a deal like, "you can have the SGI Indy if that box of IDE
> > drives goes with it, and you aren't allowed to throw it away until
> > you're somewhere I'm not going to see it by the side of the road."
> >
> > Adam
> >
>
>
> --
> End of line
> JOB TERMINATED
...only for a look..
https://www.daliborfarny.com/project/h-nixie-tube/
I'm not related with that czech factory, this is no advertising.
Regards,
Holm
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This is almost an impossible question to answer (!) but it might be worth mentioning Pimcore. This is an open source master data management tool, meaning that it supports both schema (data model) design and generation/design of UI elements via a reasonably decent management interface.
It might even be overkill for this particular use case., but from memory the web UIs that it generates don’t depend on front end libraries / Angular / React etc & so may work with older browsers.
Perhaps another option is LibreOffice Base?
Chris,
I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to try to get the software running under RSX11M+ if possible.
Thanks,
Mark
> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote:
>
> From: Chris Zach <cz(a)alembic.crystel.com <mailto:cz@alembic.crystel.com>>
> Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there
> Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT
> To: CCTalk mailing list <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>>
> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>>
>
>
> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that 3.2 is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk in the distro) however are these disks out there now?
>
> Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies
> POS V2.0a on floppies
>
> POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and instruction disks)
>
> POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere)
>
> Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2
>
> SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone heard of this?)
>
> If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives....
>
> Thanks!
> Chris
> (Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will give me a hint into how DEC ported POS)
In a shipment today I got several AMP-labeled dongles that look like SCSI
terminators ... except the 50 pins are arranged in three rows (17-16-17), not
the Centronics-style 50-pin connector nor the usual 2-pin configuration.
Anyone seen those before, and is it actually SCSI, or is it something else?
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FWIW and as some of you might know, Polymorphic was manufactured here in
Santa Barbara (also Lobo Drives/Systems, and Street Electronics.) After
Poly had gone out of business, a friend of mine ended up getting all (or
most) of the remaining Poly documentation and most of the remaining
hardware from the person who owned the Polymorphic remains. After he had
sold off some of that "stash", he gave the remaining stuff to me. I
spent a week or so taking the remaining original masters documentation
and putting it in a filing cabinet. That stuff included approximately
200 S-100 boards in various states of being built and maybe up to ten
thousand (WAG) 1/4" and 8" disks of stuff that was being worked on at
Poly when they shut down.
On my to-do list is to scan the remaining documentation (about a four
drawer filing cabinet) as well putting together the remaining Poly88s
(four- six) and other boards. I had planned on bringing some of that
"stuff" to VCFMW, but found out last night the exhibit area was filled.
So at this point, I don't know if I will be attending or not.
I am more concerned with getting the documentation scanned and archived
and will most likely end up buying a high speed double sided scanner. So
this is just a heads up that a lot (most?) of the original Polymorphic
documentation does still exist. Years ago, some highly uninformed
individual said this could not be original since there were no graphics
in the Circa early 1970 docs. He was wrong about this not being original
documentation!!! I also tried to keep any marked diskettes with the
docs. Those disks were primarily system disks. And those disks NEED to
be backed up before they degrade to the point they would be difficult to
read.
FWIW, I would have liked to get this stuff scanned, etc but at that
time, I didn't have enough money to pay attention let alone buy a
scanner to scan this stuff :).
Marvin
( I'm not sure how to change topic subjects! )
Regarding the Poly-88, I'm not seeing much about it on YouTube. If you've
got a working one, it would be good to "get one on record." If you're
willing to part with it or loan it - let me know (can also run it by
ActionRetro, although he's concentrating on some Russian imports at the
moment).
But back to the original topic, hope VCF West went well ! Looks like I've
been talked into going to the September 9th VCF near Chicago.
-Steve
On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 10:07 AM dwight <dkelvey(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Steve
> I see. You were asking if anyone had a working Poly-88.
> Yes, I believe mine is likely still working. I also have a 8813 that was
> working when I put it away.
> At the VCF, I was talking to another fellow about the video board used on
> the Poly-88. It was said by the other person that the board was basically
> copied by others and some even had the same error, causing distortion of
> the first line by incorrect timing of the H retrace time, on many monitors.
> Dwight
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Steve Lewis <lewissa78(a)gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2023 4:52 PM
> *To:* General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> *Cc:* dwight <dkelvey(a)hotmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?
>
> Oh it wasn't my Poly88 - but the person who had it, they just didn't have
> a CRT or screen to test it out with. So it may be working fine. Original
> owner, said he put it together himself (and 16K).
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 3:11 PM dwight via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> My Poly-88 should be working but I've not played with it for a few years.
> The last time I had it up and doing something was at the last MakerFaire .
> What Is your issue?
> Dwight
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steve Lewis via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:19 PM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Cc: Steve Lewis <lewissa78(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?
>
> I can't make it to VCF this weekend - though I'm hoping to make it to the
> one in September.
>
> I actually am looking for something: any working IEC device for a C64 (1541
> drive, printer, plotter?). More for an experiment than collection, but do
> prefer clean and presentable.
>
>
> Earlier this year, I reached someone with a working Poly-88. But then in
> March they reported health issues and hospital stays, so I haven't heard
> since. Would be interested if anyone else is aware of a still-working one.
>
> We're still working on recovery of an IBM 5100 "launch title" tape
> (analytic functions) - practicing with other tapes first. Its 2-channel
> deal so far isn't quite that straightforward. But if the Tektronics folks
> can do it with their QIC tapes, I'm somewhat hopeful we can too (although
> late 70s/early 80s Tektronic is apparently a more proper IEEE-488).
>
> Only thing I could offer right now is a fairly not-working 5110 (display
> don't work, PSU don't work, cards don't work - but the case is pristine).
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:49 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <
> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > >> I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.
> > >>
> > >> I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort
> and
> > >> pack for sale and giveaway.
> > >> --
> > >> Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > > We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point. That way, they
> > come
> > > to you.
> > >
> > > I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)
> >
> > Yes, but you handed it over to a swell bunch of people before I finished
> > parting with my stuff!
> >
> > --
> > Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
> >
>
>
I'm sure there are at least a couple of you who will be attending the VCF
this weekend in Mountain View at the Computer History Museum.
Is there anything that anyone might want/need? Please send me a private
message if you're looking for something and if I have what you want I can
bring it with me.
I'll only be there Saturday.
Sellam
I sold my Lear Siegler ADM31 recently and the new owner (Ian) has found
that one of the ROMs failed before he could archive it - or it was
defective to start with.
So my question to the list is - does anyone have the ROM codes (there
are three of them) archived?
I don't think Ian is a member of this list, otherwise I'm sure I would
have spotted a post with a subject line like mine...
Thanks!
John :-#)#
--
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Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:48 AM Joshua Rice via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
>
> The Apple 1 is collectible purely because it was the first product Apple
> made.
Not really, though that's part of it. The value of the Apple 1 has more to
do with the Cult of Steve than anything else. Steve Jobs became the most
celebrated CEO of his time. He was practically a rockstar. Personally, I
think the admiration for Jobs turned into cringey idol worship, but the
fact is millions of people around the world were impacted by the products
Apple produced under his leadership, and he received the adoration.
As I said previously, the Apple 1 is now an icon, a status symbol for the
wealthy. The "Veblen Good" concept absolutely applies here. They have
transcended our motley little community of vintage computer enthusiasts.
They will continue to be held in high end collections for generations to
come.
Sellam
On 8/3/23 00:45, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote:
> Value is a very much reliant on both desirability and historical significance. I guarantee most people who own an Apple 1 never use it, and it sits in a cabinet/shelf somewhere. Transversely, I’m sure there’s very few Amiga 1200’s purely on display, with the vast majority in collectors hands either tucked in a cupboard or actively used.
>
> The Apple 1 is collectible purely because it was the first product Apple made. There’s dozens of similar machines from the same time period, vcreated by startups looking to be the next big thing, that just didn’t make it. Look at SWTPC, look at IMSAI, the COSMAC ELF. Apple made it to the big time, and they didn’t, so many more people with too much money would consider the Apple 1 to be a wise investment.
>
> I’d still prefer the IMSAI 8080 or SWTPC 6800 though.
Collection values are so subjective that to me, that they make little
sense. For example, is a Mac that belonged to Steve Jobs more valuable
than the same model Mac that belonged to Harvey Schmidlap? Same
machine--I doubt that any scientific test could affirm that Jobs was
still alive in the former. But the difference to collectors may be a
couple orders of magnitude.
But then, I see little difference in value between an original painting
and an expert copy.
Yes, I know, I have no soul!
--Chuck
My IBM 1410 FPGA project now features a working 1401 mode as well, with
the flip of a switch, exactly like the original IBM 1410.
There are still a few real problems (e.g., Console I/O Input under
program control doesn't seem to be working), a few minor issues
involving console problems when doing control operations, and lots of
changes I want to make to the PC console support program, which really
should be done before tackling I/O devices.
There are posts relating to the debugging of the 1401 side of things
towards the end of the list that appears on page:
https://www.computercollection.net/index.php/ibm-1410-fpga-implementation/
JRJ
I have a HiPlot plotter - it's DMP-29, but I'm fairly sure it takes the
same pens as the DMP-2 which I also have but in a million pieces - but
right now without pens.
I have been promised some but it may be many weeks...
I'm wondering if anyone has any old (or NOS?) pens for them? What I'm
after is the dimensions with a view to 3D printing new pens - or at least
pen holders so I can fit modern pens into. (There is no height restriction
on the pen bodys)
Can anyone help?
(I'm in the UK if anyone has any physical pens available - please
let me know)
Thanks,
Gordon
I have 3 of the 4 pieces of Modular Advanced Design's MAD-1 and every now
and again I like to reach out and see if anyone might have the last missing
piece I need. The MAD-1 is sort of like the evil twin of the Mindset..
although nowhere near the graphics prowess. Unfortunately like the Mindset
the disk drives are a separate unit and unlike the Mindset the MAD-1 can't
operate without them because the enclosure also contains the PSU for the
whole computer. The floppy drives are nothing special.. just SA-455 360k.
Anyway, Sellam's msg about trades prompted me to reach out again. If you
aren't familiar here is a link to a pic of one CHM has.
https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/X1620.99A
Many thanks!!
Brad
Brad - The Tech Time Traveller
brad(a)techtimetraveller.com
Does anyone still use the older dot matrix printers?
The husband of a friend of mine passed away and I am helping her dispose
of his classic computer stuff. If there is interest in them, I can put
together a list of what she has (and I can see) in the six storage
lockers :).
The printers I saw today used the wide perforated paper. My memory is
non existent after about 1 hour :). My current plan is to attend VCFMW
in September, and I can probably bring stuff with me. The ones I
remember are the Diablo 630 (?), Juki, and a number of others of similar
vintage.
Yes, he had half a dozen or so Kaypro and Osbourne computers in the
first 18" or so of the storage unit plus one IBM compatible that I could
see along with maybe six B&W monitors.
There are also a number of bankers boxes filled with 5 1/4" and 3.5"
floppy disks and period books.
Marvin
Can someone upload the ISOs of what we do have to archive.org?
I found http://intel-vintage-developer.eu5.org/ but I'd like to grab
it without the free web host ads.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:47 PM Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2020, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
>
> > > Sadly neither seems to be among the files I have copied. I could yet
> > > check Intel Dec 1995 Data on Demand discs I happen to have, and do have
> > > here, but they are cumbersome to handle as they use a proprietary format
> > > requiring a DOS app to access, and yet more hassle to get anything
> > > exported (assuming I can recall how I did that many years ago), so it'll
> > > take a little.
> >
> > If you have some Intel "Data on Demand" CD-ROMs it would be nice if
> > .ISO images of those could be captured and uploaded somewhere. Then
> > leave it up to anyone interested to deal with extracting documents
> > from them.
>
> Hmm, I'm not sure of the copyright status, even that those were available
> free of charge. It would be good to have the stuff preserved though, so
> I'll see if I can get some ack from Intel. I have good experience overall
> with such enquiries. Ditto about the Insight CDs.
>
> > I found this document while looking online. It's not clear to me if
> > that is a list of documents that are contained on the December 1995
> > "Data on Demand" CD-ROMs or if some of those are only available
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > http://alt.ife.tugraz.at/datashts/intel/litguide.pdf
>
> This looks to me like a list of orderable hardcopy documents. I still
> have a long line of those on a bookshelf. But indeed most if not all were
> available on said CDs, and some were only there.
>
> Anyway, sorry to take so long, but such is life. I finally got to my set
> of Insight CDs and guess what? First that I looked at was October 1996,
> my oldest, and it does have what you look for:
>
> $ ls -la fbldr16*.zip
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 4619852 Jul 8 1996 fbldr16.zip
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1359076 Jul 8 1996 fbldr16a.zip
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1253664 Jul 8 1996 fbldr16b.zip
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1076370 Jul 8 1996 fbldr16c.zip
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 930808 Jul 8 1996 fbldr16d.zip
> $
>
> Do you still need it? I have lost the FTP site I used to host things on
> and I can't afford the time to set up a new one right away. But I can
> e-mail you this stuff offlist if your mailbox can swallow it. The choice
> is either one big file, first in the listing above, or the other four,
> which are the same contents, split, that I would send in a separate e-mail
> each. I could split it further too, I know how it worked in the old days.
>
> By the look of it all the documentation included with FLASHBuilder is in
> the form of MS Windows help files rather than PDF.
>
> Either way please let me know.
>
> Maciej
I have to assume that the SCAMP used in the IBM 5100 Portable Computer and
relatives must have been a great deal smaller than the earlier machine.
As such, a logical and unambiguous way to refer to it is "SCAMP Shrimpy."
I hope this is helpful,
--Tom
Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that 3.2
is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk
in the distro) however are these disks out there now?
Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies
POS V2.0a on floppies
POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing
called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and
instruction disks)
POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere)
Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2
SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone heard
of this?)
If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the
mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives....
Thanks!
Chris
(Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will give
me a hint into how DEC ported POS)
I want to buy an old computer from a guy I don’t know in Houston (I’ll pay shipping to CA), but it’s a lot of money, and I don’t want to lose it - what are my options?
Thanks-
Steve.
Be aware that clicking on a malicious url can result on malware or spyware being installed on your machine without any further action on your part. All browsers have vulnerabilities. The most famous of these was the older version of Pegasus by NSO back in the 2014-2016 timeframe. These so called 1-click exploits are well known to bad actors. It’s a continuous cat and mouse game between exploit writers and infosec. For the interested, look at this report regarding Apple and the “Trident” series of exploits from 2016.
https://info.lookout.com/rs/051-ESQ-475/images/pegasus-exploits-technical-d…
—-Todd
P.S. Exploits have evolved considerably since Trident and now include 0-click exploits. See Google’s Project Zero for instance.
Copied all the files onto my Gotek, it's SO EASY to just turn a dial to
select a disk!
Anyway, loaded all the files, but when I try to run them it says it's
missing PROF77 Common. My guess is that's the same block as F77OTS, but
how does one load a common block with a different name? I forgot....
Directory DU0:[SPSS]
28-JUL-2023 18:06
ANVTSK.TSK;1 173. C 28-JUL-2023 18:01
NPTTSK.TSK;1 189. C 28-JUL-2023 18:02
SRVTSK.TSK;1 167. C 28-JUL-2023 18:02
SPSTSK.TSK;2 576. C 28-JUL-2023 17:59
TTSTSK.TSK;2 116. C 28-JUL-2023 18:00
SPSS.INS;2 3. C 28-JUL-2023 18:00
RPTTSK.TSK;1 190. C 28-JUL-2023 18:02
SPSS.TSK;1 136. C 28-JUL-2023 18:03
SCATSK.TSK;1 117. C 28-JUL-2023 18:03
SPSS.MNU;1 7. C 28-JUL-2023 18:03
SPSS.HLP;1 124. C 28-JUL-2023 18:03
PARTSK.TSK;1 130. C 28-JUL-2023 18:03
SPSS.MSG;1 18. C 28-JUL-2023 18:04
SPRTSK.TSK;1 98. C 28-JUL-2023 18:04
SPSS.ERR;1 69. C 28-JUL-2023 18:04
TEST1.LST;1 21. 28-JUL-2023 18:05
GSS77.SAV;1 123. 28-JUL-2023 18:05
TEST2.LST;1 27. 28-JUL-2023 18:05
TEST3.LST;1 21. 28-JUL-2023 18:05
TEST1.CMD;1 1. 28-JUL-2023 18:05
TEST2.CMD;1 2. 28-JUL-2023 18:05
TEST3.CMD;1 6. 28-JUL-2023 18:05
Total of 2314./2325. blocks in 22. files
$ run spss
INS -- Common block not loaded PROF77
Over the weekend I picked up a Pro/350 from the System Source swap. The
good news is I traded something of similar size for it, and more
importantly I didn't bring anything else home :-)
Anyway, it's a pretty basic system with 10mb ST412 drive, 128k memory on
board, 256kb memory expansion, disk controller, floppy controller and
RX50 (with the usual loose pad, glued back in), and a video card WITHOUT
the extended bitmap option.
Brought it home, pulled everything, checked the power supply (good), got
the drive spinning, and since drives like this tend to be precious I
sucked the data off it using a Gesswin emulator (best money I have
spent). Sucked the data off with no errors, thus everything is preserved
for eternity. I'll take a look at the drive and see about using a bit of
watch oil on the shaft to lubricate the bearings and put this disk back
into a "usable" category.
Even better: Fired up and compiled xhomer on my Raspberry Pi CM3+,
loaded the image, and sure enough: There is a POS 2.0 install on the
disk, with a really neat app called "Prostar/300"
Seems to be an office tool for real estate office, specifically farm
management, investment, and amortization. Even better it looks like all
the data was stored on Floppies (now long gone) so no PII issues. And
there is a word processor built into the app along with the normal PROSE
editor.
I'll tool around with it for a bit, then put the disk image up on
crystel.com. An interesting application, can be easily transferred to a
real disk using a gesswin emulator or put it on xhomer. :-)
Pretty nice application from 1986 vintage, I can see this being used in
offices around the midwest.
Chris
Around the middle of the 1980s, Lego made a robotics system for 8-bit
computers, including the Apple II, BBC Micro, Commodore 64, and IBM PC.
The system includes a hardware interface (set #9750, "Interface A"), a
card or cable (differs for each computer; the PC-ISA card is set #9771),
and various electronic Lego bits (sensors, lights, motors, etc., the
main set of which is #9700.)
I recently acquired several of the PC-ISA version. I am selling these as
a bundle: 1x-9750, 1x-9771, 2x-9700. The price is $400 + s/h from New
Jersey.
Full details about the sets are on my website, www.brickhacks.com. The
site isn't finished and some links will not work, but the meat of it is
all there. I'll also be posting how-to videos on YouTube
(@TechnicallyEvan) but I can't promise when that will happen -- I'm very
busy in real life.
All of the manuals are on the Internet Archive, under the "vintage Lego
robotics" collection.
Interested buyers should send me a private message to evan(a)snarc.net.