Bay Area: IBM 4341 and HP3000

Guy Sotomayor ggs at
Sat Jan 10 20:09:52 CST 2015

My impression...he's an idiot.  He didn't really think it was in that 
bad shape.  One quote was "I'm sure someone still makes these parts".!

TTFN - Guy

On 1/10/15 6:01 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
> So what was the guy like?
> Did he completely deflect any opinions on the condition? Did he
> acknowledge the mess?
> --
> Will
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at> wrote:
>> I had planned to.  Unfortunately the condition of everything was even worse
>> than what Lyle had described.
>> In addition to the water damage (chassis rusted on the CPU and at least one
>> control unit), it was hard to see what all was there because of all of the
>> junk (tables, A/C condensers, random other *heavy* junk) all piled *on top*
>> of the CPU, terminals (a heavy table was being supported by a number of HP
>> terminals...when I tried to move the table to get a better view of stuff you
>> could hear things "crunch").  I did get enough stuff out of the way to at
>> least glance at the 4341.  It was really sad.  3 major cables had been cut.
>> It looked like a side panel had been removed and what ever was plugged into
>> it was not visible (may have been there but with out a major mining
>> operation it was hard to tell).  After about 20 minutes I thanked him and
>> left.
>> He had said that everything was operational before being put into storage.
>> It looks like they just grabbed, cut and generally abused everything even
>> before it went into storage before receiving the additional indignity of
>> significant water damage.
>> It's basically just scrap at this point.  Very sad.
>> TTFN - Guy
>> On 1/9/15 8:19 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>>> Take pictures!
>>> --
>>> Will
>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at> wrote:
>>>> I'm the one who's coming out tomorrow.  ;-)  So it won't be going for
>>>> scrap.
>>>> TTFN - Guy
>>>> On 1/9/15 5:25 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
>>>>> On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
>>>>>> I believe these are the same ones advertised a year or so ago.
>>>>>> Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
>>>>>> to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was actually
>>>>>> there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
>>>>>> looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
>>>>>> it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>> On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
>>>>> I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some
>>>>> information.
>>>>> He is very interested  in moving it and is sending photos.  He said
>>>>> someone
>>>>> is coming to take a look at it  tomorrow in Freemont.  I will post the
>>>>> photos he sends me tonight.
>>>>> I hope someone buys it for other than gold.  I am not set up to address
>>>>> this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to who may be
>>>>> able
>>>>> to.
>>>>> I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on that,
>>>>> that
>>>>> is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap dealer.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Jim

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