cctalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22
Adam Thornton
athornton at gmail.com
Thu Jul 23 14:59:31 CDT 2020
If it's actually running on real z hardware Linux is probably already
running under z/VM.
If it's running on Hercules, then....OK, but the host system could have
handled the Infocom games without ever even blinking. But I've been known
to do silly emulation tricks too:
https://www.fsf.net/~adam/NT-on-390-desktop.png
Adam
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> 1. RE: AlphaServer 2100s available (Rob Jarratt)
> 2. Re: AlphaServer 2100s available (Antonio Carlini)
> 3. Adventures online (821 at 128.ca)
> 4. Looking for copy of BASIC ROM for HP 3396B Integrator II
> (Martin.Hepperle at dlr.de)
> 5. RE: Adventures online (Ali)
> 6. Re: Adventures online (Kevin Lee)
> 7. RE: Adventures online (Ali)
> 8. Re: Adventures online (Kevin Monceaux)
> 9. Re: Adventures online (Kevin Lee)
> 10. RE: AlphaServer 2100s available (Rob Jarratt)
> 11. HP3000 Microcode is in SYSDUMP (backup) for WCS machines
> (64,68,70, 37,...) (Rodney Brown)
> 12. Re: Adventures online (Doug Jackson)
> 13. Re: Adventures online (Chris Zach)
> 14. Re: Adventures online (Chuck Guzis)
> 15. Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished
> (David Gesswein)
> 16. Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished
> (David Gesswein)
> 17. Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished (Chris Zach)
> 18. Re: Adventures online (Grant Taylor)
> 19. Altair 8800 reproduction (Tom Hunter)
> 20. Re: Altair 8800 reproduction (Bill Degnan)
> 21. Re: Adventures online (Grant Taylor)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:40:13 +0100
> From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
> To: "'Dave Wade'" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General Discussion:
> On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>,
> <antonio at acarlini.com>, "'Antonio Carlini'" <
> a.carlini at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
> Message-ID: <00c101d66057$89b6fb20$9d24f160$@ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could take
> one too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that*
> huge.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Dave Wade via
> > cctalk
> > Sent: 21 July 2020 22:16
> > To: antonio at acarlini.com; 'Antonio Carlini' <a.carlini at ntlworld.com>;
> 'General
> > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> > Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
> >
> > Antonio,
> > Happy to take one. Can collect. Be a nice companion for VAX and IBM P390.
> > Keep hearing of Alphas but nothing has appeared.
> > Dave
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Antonio
> > > Carlini via cctalk
> > > Sent: 21 July 2020 20:58
> > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> > > <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> > > Subject: AlphaServer 2100s available
> > >
> > > I have three AlphaServer 2100 systems in storage in the UK
> (Oxfordshire).
> > > The storage, however, is due to be demolished (soon, but no fixed
> date).
> > >
> > >
> > > I won't have room to store these three systems, so if anyone would be
> > > interested in offering them a home, then please get in touch!
> > >
> > >
> > > I can probably get some pictures in the next day or two.
> > >
> > >
> > > These systems were SMP Alphas and could sport as many as 4 CPUs. I'm
> > > not sure of the configuration of these systems but I can probably find
> > > that out soon.
> > >
> > > They have not been run since ~2003 so they may be in need of some TLC.
> > > OTOH they are not rusted to death so you have a chance of getting them
> > > back to life.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just so you know what you might be dealing with these systems are
> about:
> > > 700mm H x 430mm W x 810mm L.
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are
> > > very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some
> > > effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming
> > > that it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e.
> > > remove PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift
> > > would probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to
> > > their current location.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm hoping that someone can step forward and offer one or more of
> > > these machines a new home. Please contact me off-list (once you're
> > > sure you understand what you are getting into :-)).
> > >
> > >
> > > Antonio
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Antonio Carlini
> > > antonio at acarlini.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:23:38 +0100
> From: Antonio Carlini <a.carlini at ntlworld.com>
> To: rob at jarratt.me.uk, 'Dave Wade' <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General
> Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org
> >,
> antonio at acarlini.com
> Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
> Message-ID: <8eabc8e8-a1d7-c626-e252-7aa7a8f9176a at ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 22/07/2020 19:40, Rob Jarratt wrote:
> > I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could take
> one too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that*
> huge.
> >
> > Regards
>
>
> Smaller than a VAX-11/780 or? a VAX 6000 or a VAX 7000. So yes, pretty
> small :-)
>
>
> The systems are now all provisionally spoken for. I can still try and
> get some photos etc. of the various innards.
>
>
> Antonio
>
>
> --
> Antonio Carlini
> antonio at acarlini.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:52:14 +0200
> From: 821 at 128.ca
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <89C93C5F-E5DD-448A-80FC-71BA18326F94 at 128.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure games
> on a mainframe
>
> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:19:45 +0000
> From: <Martin.Hepperle at dlr.de>
> To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Looking for copy of BASIC ROM for HP 3396B Integrator II
> Message-ID: <aa1e9dd115a349459386774e391fca93 at dlr.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Recently, I obtained a HP 3396B Integrator II.
>
> This is a device for the chemical analysis laboratory. I had hoped that
> this device contained a BASIC interpreter, but this was not the case.
>
> Through the serial interface I can connect a terminal program. Pressing
> CTRL+BREAK outputs the sign-on message serial interface:
> ~~HP3396,IBLI
>
> Unfortunately, typing "BX" for "Basic eXternal" on the keyboard tells me:
> BASIC NOT INSTALLED
>
> So I am wondering, whether I can install a BASIC by replacing the ROM with
> an EPROM.
>
> According to the "Installation and Service Manual", the ROM U 110 came in
> two versions:
> Z-80 Standard-ROM 03396-80012
> Z-80 BASIC-ROM 03396-80032
> This means that the BASIC is NOT in the cradled EPROM but in the ROM in
> the lower right corner of the PCB.
> My ROM 80013 is probably an revision of 80012.
>
> So: I need a copy of the 03396-80032 ROM chip.
>
>
> Additionally, if someone has the manual "RS232 Programming Manual", P/N
> 03396-90335", for the 3396 integrator. it would be great if he could scan
> the document and make the content available.
>
> [I have the remaining manuals and already sent scans to the HP Museum in
> Australia for making them available o their site.
>
> Main PCB:
> +----------------+ +----------------+
> | PPP EPROM | | U 111 |
> | 27C011-200V10 | | 27C010-150V10 |
> | 03396-80106 | | 03396-80023 |
> +----------------+ +----------------+
>
> +----------------+ +----------------+
> | U 317 | | U 110 |
> | 27128A | | ROM |
> | 03396-80043 | | 03396-80013 |
> +----------------+ +----------------+
>
> Opening the Case
> - remove transparent cover from printer compartment by pressing the hinge
> flaps inside
> - remove 2 screws close to rear edge, from top
> - remove 2 screws in printer compartment from top
> - remove keyboard:
> - keyboard is "hinged" at the front with three rigid noses
> - use a pry tool to open the 3 latches at the rear edge of the keyboard
> plate
> - lift the rear edge and pull the plate back
> - if you are careful, the ribbon cable can stay in place, you can thread
> the keyboard plate through the case opening
> - lift case cover upwards
>
>
>
> Thank you for reading,
>
> Martin
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:37:52 -0700
> From: "Ali" <cctalk at ibm51xx.net>
> To: <821 at 128.ca>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: RE: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <005b01d66067$f9b428c0$ed1c7a40$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> > Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> > Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure
> > games on a mainframe
> >
> > https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
>
>
> Too popular for its own good. Currently failing due to a lack of memory.
>
> -Ali
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:51:02 +0200
> From: Kevin Lee <821 at 128.ca>
> To: Ali <cctalk at ibm51xx.net>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and
> Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <E6B117CD-3917-4E23-93CF-C1B1E66A8B78 at 128.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Well still glad its getting used :)
> cheers
>
>
> > On 22 Jul 2020, at 22:37, Ali via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> >> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure
> >> games on a mainframe
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
> >
> >
> > Too popular for its own good. Currently failing due to a lack of memory.
> >
> > -Ali
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:52:10 -0700
> From: "Ali" <cctalk at ibm51xx.net>
> To: "'Kevin Lee'" <821 at 128.ca>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and
> Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: RE: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <006201d66069$f8bfa4b0$ea3eee10$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> > Well still glad its getting used :)
> > cheers
>
>
> So am I except I want to use it as well LOL!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:15:57 -0500
> From: Kevin Monceaux <Kevin at RawFedDogs.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <CCTalk at ClassicCmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <20200722211557.GA12684 at RawFedDogs.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote:
>
> > Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> > Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure games
> > on a mainframe
> >
> > https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
>
> What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it running?
>
>
> --
>
> Kevin
> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> http://www.Lassie.xyz
> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> Bruceville, TX
>
> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:50:06 +0200
> From: Kevin Lee <821 at 128.ca>
> To: "Kevin at rawfeddogs.net" <Kevin at RawFedDogs.net>, "General
> Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <F033CC41-2932-42B8-9549-DF0ADE4B384E at 128.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Ask the tweet included in the initial posting..
> I have nothing to do with it .. cheers
>
>
> > On 22 Jul 2020, at 23:15, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk <
> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> >> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure
> games
> >> on a mainframe
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
> >
> > What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it running?
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Kevin
> > http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> > http://www.Lassie.xyz
> > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> > Bruceville, TX
> >
> > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:34:03 +0100
> From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
> To: <antonio at acarlini.com>, <rob at jarratt.me.uk>, "'Dave Wade'"
> <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and
> Off-Topic
> Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
> Message-ID: <00e001d66078$33eeac30$9bcc0490$@ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Well I suppose the important thing is that they have been spoken for.
> Hopefully I will get to see Dave's in action.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Antonio Carlini <a.carlini at ntlworld.com>
> > Sent: 22 July 2020 20:24
> > To: rob at jarratt.me.uk; 'Dave Wade' <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>; 'General
> > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' <cctalk at classiccmp.org>;
> > antonio at acarlini.com
> > Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
> >
> > On 22/07/2020 19:40, Rob Jarratt wrote:
> > > I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could
> take one
> > too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that*
> huge.
> > >
> > > Regards
> >
> >
> > Smaller than a VAX-11/780 or a VAX 6000 or a VAX 7000. So yes, pretty
> small :-
> > )
> >
> >
> > The systems are now all provisionally spoken for. I can still try and
> > get some photos etc. of the various innards.
> >
> >
> > Antonio
> >
> >
> > --
> > Antonio Carlini
> > antonio at acarlini.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:09:50 +1000
> From: Rodney Brown <rdbrown0au at gmail.com>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: HP3000 Microcode is in SYSDUMP (backup) for WCS machines
> (64,68,70, 37,...)
> Message-ID: <d4f4a716-0271-e089-9937-9c52f3a6380f at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> If written on a Series 64, 68 or 70, or on the Series 37 or it's
> successors,
> the first file on a SYSDUMP (Backup) tape may include the Microcode from
> the
> WCS (Writeable Control Store). Please collect such files if you have tapes
> available that you can read.
>
> Note that the first file includes a concatenation of system objects,
> ending with
> (optionally) the directory so that may leak data that should remain
> private.
>
> It's possible that the distribution tape for MPE V Release 3P G.40 that the
> HP Computer Museum has http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?sw=442
> might
> also include the WCS data. The bootable disc image for the Series 37 and
> it's
> successors will. The Museum website doesn't mention media for their 68.
>
> Thanks as always to Al Kossow for his BitSavers work.
>
> 30140-90045_Series_64_68_70_Microcode_Manual_Oct86.pdf
> has a 543 page listing of the microcode assembly output, which should
> wait for
> better OCR software.
>
> SYSDUMP Format
>
> ? |-------------------------| <--- ENTRY POINT #1 (ROM BASED
> ? |????? CHECKSUM?????????? | 0??? MACHINES)
> ? |? AMIGO CHANNEL PROGRAM? |
> --|??? WCS TABLE PRT??????? | 95
> | |-------------------------| 127
> | |--???????????????????? --|
> | |--?? AMIGO???????????? --|
> | |-------------------------|
> ->|???? WCS TABLE?????????? |
> | |-------------------------|
>
> ...
> G.01.00
> 16- 10
>
> 32033-90010_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.00.00_Sep84.pdf? 16-7? pg 127 in PDF
> 32033-90040_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.01.00_Jan85.pdf? 16-10 pg 133 in PDF
> 32033-91047_MPE_V_Tables_Manual_Oct1991.pdf?? 16-10 pg 146 in PDF
> Descriptions of the WCS Table Format are in 16-13 to 16-15 of the 1991
> edition
> Different formats for the Series 6x/70 and the Series 37, 37XP and 37 Micro
>
> #Capture of Co-Cam's Series 52 final full backup (SYSDUMP @. at .@) in Feb
> 1995.
> (So no WCS table entry)
> # 0 is the first file on the tape, the start of which is documented above
>
> $ od -Ad --endian=big -tx2 0 | head - 40
> 0000000 e0e0 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000
> 0000016 0400 0e41 0180 0002 0501 0000 0000 fff5
> 0000032 0401 0001 0000 0400 0e43 0200 0000 0501
> 0000048 0000 0000 ffea 0300 007e 0440 8000 0200
> 0000064 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407 0001 0000 4400
> 0000080 0e43 0302 0002 0000 0400 0e40 0200 0000
> 0000096 0501 0000 f38d ffd1 0000 0000 0000 0000
> 0000112 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
> *
> 0000176 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001
> 0000192 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
> *
> 0000256 0000 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000
> 0000272 0400 0201 0180 0002 0401 002e 0001 8800
> 0000288 0204 0f07 0000 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000
> 0000304 ffec 0000 fff1 0401 0001 0000 0400 0203
> 0000320 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000 ffdf 0300 0100
> 0000336 0440 8000 0e40 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407
> 0000352 0001 0000 4400 0203 0302 0002 0000 0400
> 0000368 0200 0200 0000 0501 0000 0c02 ffc6 0000
> 0000384 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000
> *
> 0000416 000a 0000 f000 000c 000b 0016 f000 0017
> 0000432 000b 000b f000 0022 000b 0000 f000 0000
> 0000448 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000
> *
> 0000624 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 3238
> 0000640 3333 4120 2020 0000 1820 0000 1000 15d8
> 0000656 2eb4 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
> 0000672 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
> ...
>
> $ head -20 blks/0.blks # tape block sizes in bytes
> 256
> 126
> 256 * 2
> 8192 * 6
> 256
> 8192 * 2
> 256
> 126
> 256
> 8192 * 10
> 256
> 8192 * 10
> 256
> 8192 * 10
> 256
> 96
> 2910
> 80
> 24
>
> $ ls -lh 0
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 rdb rdb 3.5M Dec 12? 2006 0
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:35:33 +1000
> From: Doug Jackson <doug at doughq.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID:
> <CAM_9E60RKe-D8ynRrNL=
> op+HnKvor24cDmtG1JQtn6VSUCGjog at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Sadly, the original tweet doesn't mention what mainframe - Somebody did
> ask, and there was no response I could see.
>
> The error messages suggest it's some sort of Linux system using Docker
> containers, so it's not OS/360 :-)
>
> I suspect given that it's running out of memory, that it's yet another
> linux box.
>
>
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Doug Jackson
>
> em: doug at doughq.com
> ph: 0414 986878
>
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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:50 AM Kevin Lee via cctalk <
> cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Ask the tweet included in the initial posting..
> > I have nothing to do with it .. cheers
> >
> >
> > > On 22 Jul 2020, at 23:15, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk <
> > cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote:
> > >
> > >> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> > >> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure
> > games
> > >> on a mainframe
> > >>
> > >> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
> > >
> > > What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it
> running?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> > > http://www.Lassie.xyz
> > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> > > Bruceville, TX
> > >
> > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> > > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:52:14 -0400
> From: Chris Zach <cz at alembic.crystel.com>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <6ae549f7-011e-8c1b-4858-769d427ba4c8 at alembic.crystel.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Just put up a big pdp11 and be done with it. Hm. Running on Simh a fully
> loaded 11 should handle just about anything the internet could toss at
> it...
>
> C
>
> On 7/22/2020 10:35 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:
> > Sadly, the original tweet doesn't mention what mainframe - Somebody did
> > ask, and there was no response I could see.
> >
> > The error messages suggest it's some sort of Linux system using Docker
> > containers, so it's not OS/360 :-)
> >
> > I suspect given that it's running out of memory, that it's yet another
> > linux box.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kindest regards,
> >
> > Doug Jackson
> >
> > em: doug at doughq.com
> > ph: 0414 986878
> >
> > Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com
> > Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted
> > with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely
> for
> > your own use.
> >
> > Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have
> > been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard.
> >
> > Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the
> > imminent Zombie Apocalypse then the sender bears no personal, legal, or
> > moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its usage unless the
> > result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes in which
> > case the sender takes full credit without any theoretical or actual legal
> > liability. :-)
> >
> > Be nice to your parents.
> >
> > Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a
> > radio station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you
> > happy.
> >
> > ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally
> > sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:50 AM Kevin Lee via cctalk <
> cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ask the tweet included in the initial posting..
> >> I have nothing to do with it .. cheers
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 22 Jul 2020, at 23:15, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk <
> >> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> >>>> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure
> >> games
> >>>> on a mainframe
> >>>>
> >>>> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
> >>>
> >>> What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it
> running?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> >>> http://www.Lassie.xyz
> >>> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> >>> Bruceville, TX
> >>>
> >>> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> >>> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
> >>
> >>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:42:58 -0700
> From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
> To: Chris Zach via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <5f853e65-1d98-cdca-78c5-1cb9f7c865b2 at sydex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> On 7/22/20 7:52 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> > Just put up a big pdp11 and be done with it.
>
> A PDP11 might be a "mainframe" (personally, I'd call it a minicomputer),
> but in the world of mainframes, it's hardly "big".
>
> FWIW,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:38:20 -0400
> From: David Gesswein <djg at pdp8online.com>
> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished
> Message-ID: <20200722223820.GA4802 at hugin3>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:12:10PM -0400, Chris Zach wrote:
> > Working on it. Question: Was the 67mb drive in a 7300/3B1 a miniscribe
> 6085?
> >
> Yes it was. http://www.pdp8online.com/3b1/drive.shtml
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:54:30 -0400
> From: David Gesswein <djg at pdp8online.com>
> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished
> Message-ID: <20200722225430.GB4802 at hugin3>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:58:01AM -0700, Ian Finder wrote:
> > I may be able to track down floppies for 7300 TCP, if we can confirm it
> is
> > extinct in the wild...
> >
> It may exist but is wounded.
>
> https://archives.loomcom.com/retrocomputing/UnixPC/Install/standardized/ethernet/
>
> All the 10S disks seem to have been read in a way that only got 9 sectors
> per track so are no good. The ethernet_hardware_diag.dd is bad. The files
> are in multiple locations on this site but any 10S image thats not 404480
> is
> bad.
>
> Manual is here
> https://archives.loomcom.com/retrocomputing/UnixPC/3B1_Docs/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:22:12 -0400
> From: Chris Zach <cz at alembic.crystel.com>
> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished
> Message-ID: <fa6e0648-a9a6-8dd6-36af-42dc43e5d98b at alembic.crystel.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hm. Then I have a dillema. When I popped in the Miniscribe and tried
> booting it started reading the disk then popped out a boot error.
> Possibly a bad sector, but how can I read this disk to find the rest of
> the data?
>
> Hm.... Anyone got one of those Beaglebone/RPI to MFM readers I could
> borrow for a bit to slurp this drive?
>
> C
>
> On 7/22/2020 6:38 PM, David Gesswein via cctech wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:12:10PM -0400, Chris Zach wrote:
> >> Working on it. Question: Was the 67mb drive in a 7300/3B1 a miniscribe
> 6085?
> >>
> > Yes it was. http://www.pdp8online.com/3b1/drive.shtml
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:32:41 -0600
> From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID:
> <35e88690-9ada-e57b-281e-cbfdbfc54d71 at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 7/22/20 8:35 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:
> > Sadly, the original tweet doesn't mention what mainframe - Somebody
> > did ask, and there was no response I could see.
>
> I asked @bmoshix what the system was. I've not gotten a reply yet.
>
> > The error messages suggest it's some sort of Linux system using Docker
> > containers, so it's not OS/360 :-)
>
> I half way expect that it's Docker running on z/OS.
>
> > I suspect given that it's running out of memory, that it's yet another
> > linux box.
>
> It could be Docker on Linux on Z, but I'd be mildly surprised by that.
> I doubt it's Linux on a more typical system. Though the following file
> name in the dump makes me think it's AMD-64 architecture.
>
> /usr/local/go/src/runtime/asm_amd64.s
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:39:20 +0800
> From: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Altair 8800 reproduction
> Message-ID:
> <CAALEduAgZnPn=1ebHadg3vyTW486=
> woRiQxEvZUwG4NYUm7n7Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high quality
> MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists:
> http://www.altairkit.com/
>
> I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know if
> these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum?
>
> Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have
> found people making individual boards but not a complete kit.
>
> There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC microcontroller
> emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real
> thing.
>
> Thanks
> Tom Hunter
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 11:09:14 -0400
> From: Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
> To: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com>, "General Discussion: On-Topic
> and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Altair 8800 reproduction
> Message-ID:
> <CABGJBueOtGo6+CGCx0_xC6oe+uMO=
> z2VK7q0+XRghfod8h-t6Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> This comes up from time to time, I don't believe he is making any more
> kits. I have not heard from him for a while.
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:39 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk <
> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high
> quality
> > MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists:
> > http://www.altairkit.com/
> >
> > I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know
> if
> > these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum?
> >
> > Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have
> > found people making individual boards but not a complete kit.
> >
> > There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC
> microcontroller
> > emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real
> > thing.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tom Hunter
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:32:42 -0600
> From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID:
> <edc2ecdd-4165-9e36-0e14-4fc3346cc12b at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 7/22/20 11:32 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> > I asked @bmoshix what the system was.? I've not gotten a reply yet.
>
> @bmoshix replied that it's Linux running on a mainframe.
>
> > I half way expect that it's Docker running on z/OS.
>
> So, apparently not Docker running on z/OS.
>
> > It could be Docker on Linux on Z, but I'd be mildly surprised by that.
>
> I'm mildly surprised.
>
> > I doubt it's Linux on a more typical system. Though the following
> > file name in the dump makes me think it's AMD-64 architecture.
> >
> > /usr/local/go/src/runtime/asm_amd64.s
>
> Now I'm more confused as to why asm_amd64.s, something I assume is
> related to x86_64 ~> PC (compatible) is being used.
>
> I wonder if the copies of the games that @bmoshix is running were
> written for a mainframe or a PC (compatible). The latter makes more
> sense with the asm_amd64.s and comments about installing these games on
> a PC.
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>
>
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