Women of Computing

Josh Dersch derschjo at gmail.com
Sun Dec 5 11:29:20 CST 2021

On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:57 AM Chris Long via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>

> The fact I don’t think it is necessary for a Lego set specifically
> endorsing the role of women in computing is unpleasant or mean spirited?

That's not what your initial response said, and you know it.  You can
backpedal all you want.  Rather than starting an actual discussion of the
merits of the project you replied flippantly, using the word "woke" to
completely dismiss the project, with all the weight that word connotes.

> Get a life Liam. I simply expressed my view.
> Are we really at a state on this list where when someone posts mentioning
> something, that anyone who expresses any alternative view is behaving
> unacceptably?

Nope.  You know this, too.

> Talk about snowflakes.

There you go again.
- Josh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Liam Proven via
> cctalk
> Sent: 05 December 2021 15:17
> To: Doc Shipley <doc at vaxen.net>; General Discussion: On-Topic and
> Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Women of Computing
> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 16:09, Doc Shipley via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/4/21 12:37, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, Boomer.
> > >
> > There's really no call to be nasty about it.
> >
> > To those of us who are baby boomers, that usage is extremely offensive.
> I suspect that was the plan.
> Chris Long's email was nasty, unpleasant and a mean-spirited and
> unpleasant thing to say. The fact that they felt the need to say it on a
> public forum indicates either that they do not care what other people feel,
> or that they wanted to cause offence.
> When someone is so insensitive that they do not understand that their
> words can hurt others, then sometimes, an effective way to show to them
> that words can be hurtful and that they shouldn't say mean things, is to
> say something that is hurtful to them.
> This can illustrate to people who do not normally care about others'
> feelings that they do not like it when their own feelings are hurt.
> It is, sadly, a common attribute of a certain age group, especially of old
> white straight men, to give little regard to others' feelings like this.
> They typically consider a waste of time any kind of affirmative action that
> helps, boosts, or engages with people who are not old, white, straight and
> men.
> This is a bad way to behave. Nobody should act like that. It violates
> Wheaton's Law, which is a basic principle of how to be a civilised human
> being.
> "OK, Boomer" is just a succinct and clear way of saying "you are an
> unpleasant old man and we do not need to listen to your useless hurtful
> opinions."
> If that sounds like you, then my advice to you is not to complain about
> it, but to engage with it, and learn how not to be such a person, and then
> go and teach other such folk how to be better people.
> If it doesn't sound like you, then you should not be bothered by it.
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