OpenVMS Community License
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Thu Jul 30 12:32:32 CDT 2020
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:06 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 7/29/20 8:20 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:00 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
> > <cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> wrote:
> > On 7/29/20 4:22 PM, Bob Smith wrote:
> > > I am not sure I understand your "as it turns out there was only
> > one" Bill.
> > > Am I correct in assuming you are talking about DEC owned, and
> > > that Bob Supnik one?
> > >
> > > John Wilson's Ersatz 11, aka E11, was and is a great functioning
> > > emulator, but not owned by DEC.
> > >
> > We were discussing the Mentec Hobbyist License. It never covered
> > E11 or anything other than the Supnik Emulator when he was a DEC
> > employee and DEC actually owned the IP.
> > How much of the IP does DEC need to own (the license is unclear on this
> > point)? Unless they conveyed the Copyrights to Supnik in writing (which
> > is possible), they (well their successors in interest) still have an
> > ownership interest in the emulator.
> This has been done to death years ago. DEC gave up all ownership of
> what is now known as SIMH. Look at the sources. There are no DEC
> Copyrights. There are Bob Supnik Copyrights from 1993 forward.
> > One could make a case that the
> > wording of the license is imprecise enough
> The wording is only imprecise to those who do not wish to follow it.
> It is, by far, the cleanest and plainest written Hobbyist License I
> have ever seen.
> > (it didn't exclude
> > in interest, for example).
> Successors to who? It stopped being the property of DEC before DEC went
> away. It became the sole property of Bob Supnik as reflected in the
> Copyright messages contained in the source files.
> > Though finding out would require
> > which is an expensive game... and is apparently against the wishes of
> > Mentec, at least as expressed privately over the years...
> Expressed privately to who?
> > The problem with the license being that it's written in a bit too plain
> > language which makes it a bit ambiguous once DEC was sold to Compaq and
> > then to HP since they are a successor interest for many other things...
> The EMULATOR in question ceased to be DEC's before DEC was bought by
> Compaq. They were never owners of or in control of SIMH. Period.
> And with this, I am done. At least until this silly question comes up
> again in the future as I am sure it will.
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