Huge IBM 1800 find (and need some help)

[Johannes Thelen]

> I don't need the manual, just noticed it on the pictures.
> Better keep it yourself, as V7 documentation is more difficult to
> find today.
Ok, I understood you wrong. But I'll pick up everything what is related anything anything old computers! I'll make later catalog of this library, maybe there is something useful for someone. 
> Looking forward to hear more about your efforts moving the machine
> from it's current locattion to the new one and getting it to work
> again.
Of course, more updates comes later when project goes further!


- Johannes ThelenFinland
Before microcomputers blog (Finnish) http://ennenmikrotietokoneita.blogspot.fi/



> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 17:05:19 +0100
> Subject: RE: Huge IBM 1800 find (and need some help)
> From: quapla at xs4all.nl
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> 
> Hello Johannes.
> 
> I don't need the manual, just noticed it on the pictures.
> Better keep it yourself, as V7 documentation is more difficult to
> find today.
> 
> Looking forward to hear more about your efforts moving the machine
> from it's current locattion to the new one and getting it to work
> again.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> >> I also noted that there is an Oracle manual of some sort on top of
> >> a gray-ish machinepart(?). That would be interesting, as this software
> >> was available on IBM under MVS/VM. It could either be version 4.1.x
> >> or version 5.0.x. If you come across that pack and it still works,
> >> then you have access to an old and most likely working version of
> >> a RDBMS. In that case, give me a shout and I could help you though
> >> some command and some info to put it in action.
> >>
> > Hi Ed! I'm sure we get it for you ;) ...I have to just book everything
> > what we carry out there, I think we have no problem to get it for you
> > (shared joy is best joy :)
> >
> > But I can't find anything else Oracle stuff on the pics than Oracle's
> > Server 7 pack over 1442 card read/punch (that greyish box)..? Did you ment
> > that?
> >
> >
> > - Johannes ThelenFinland
> > Before microcomputers blog (Finnish)
> > http://ennenmikrotietokoneita.blogspot.fi/
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: johannesthelen at hotmail.com
> >> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> >> Subject: RE: Huge IBM 1800 find (and need some help)
> >> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 13:54:45 +0200
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello everybody!
> >>
> >> It is quite big system as everything in that place. However, somehow
> >> they made that stairway still small... :/ I know there is few people who
> >> would do something like this big/crazy project even they would want, it
> >> is question of time/space/money, but mostly will and too far gone old
> >> computer obsession :D
> >>
> >> By the way, my girlfriend saw first time this 1800, and she said "that
> >> is not that big computer"... What?! I'm not sure who I'm with, maybe she
> >> has some IBM Strecth on hers basement and she has not told me everything
> >> :D
> >>
> >> One more fun thing, this computer have name: Heili. It is Finnish girl's
> >> name, usually computer are named here man's names far as I know. It can
> >> be named later by workers, I think it probably had no name originally.
> >> However, even it have almost pink dress, I would not called couple tons
> >> weighted monster as "girl", there could better expressions for it ;)
> >> ...but she is pretty in her own way for sure!
> >>
> >> Anyways, I have rolled cabinets on Inventor (3D designing soft, not on
> >> real life!) and it seems all cabinets can bend on the stairways easily.
> >> I hope I can done whole thing under three days nice and clean, without
> >> breaking anything (IBM either donaters walls/floors)
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll make now official moving plan for donater, make needed tools, get
> >> trucks, safety equipment and insurances for the crew then we are ready
> >> to go! Also I'm taking with me welding equipment and wood working stuff,
> >> so we can make backup plan on the scene if needed.
> >>
> >> Any ideas or questions are welcome!
> >>
> >> Ps. Happy weekend for everyone!
> >>
> >>
> >> - Johannes ThelenFinland
> >> Before microcomputers blog (Finnish)
> >> http://ennenmikrotietokoneita.blogspot.fi/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:20:53 -0400
> >> > Subject: Re: Huge IBM 1800 find (and need some help)
> >> > From: wdonzelli at gmail.com
> >> > To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> >> >
> >> > That has to be just about the biggest 1800 system ever made.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Will
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.stein at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > Wow indeed! Now THAT's a project!
> >> > >
> >> > > m
> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G4UGM"
> >> <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
> >> > > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic Posts'" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> >> > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 5:12 PM
> >> > >
> >> > > Subject: RE: Huge IBM 1800 find (and need some help)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >> Wow.....
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >>> From: cctech [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> >> > >>> Johannes Thelen
> >> > >>> Sent: 27 March 2015 21:03
> >> > >>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts
> >> > >>> Subject: RE: Huge IBM 1800 find (and need some help)
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I just visited see 1800  (900 km of driving! I'm little bit
> >> exhausted...)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> and we
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> had big time with plant manager when we went throught the stash! I
> >> think
> >> > >>> I
> >> > >>> have infected him of old computer disease, he had very excited
> >> this
> >> > >>
> >> > >> project
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> too, haha! :) Original plan was to pickup some small items today,
> >> but it
> >> > >>
> >> > >> was
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> impossible, because of all my hurry at work :/ But now I have
> >> good,
> >> > >>> interesting and of course,  bad news ... Lets take the bad news
> >> first: it
> >> > >>
> >> > >> seems
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> that machine have donate some parts as can be seen at the pics.
> >> That
> >> > >>> company had another 1800, maybe some parts have been picked out
> >> for it...
> >> > >>> Also there is "small" dust problem, it is every freaking place!
> >> > >>> Then interesting news: it have been used to since 1986, longer as
> >> I
> >> > >>
> >> > >> excepted.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Second, and more interesting fact, that same warehouse had used as
> >> > >>> mushroom farm ;) Good news: There is documents every where! Just
> >> quick
> >> > >>> look, and I found tens of IBMs original documents! And also it is
> >> still
> >> > >>
> >> > >> fully
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> enough to fix it up. Some spare parts are laying around and almost
> >> all
> >> > >>
> >> > >> stuff
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> what is know used back then, is still there (except Tektronix
> >> displays,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> GRRR!).
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> ****
> >> > >>> And that moving... Somebody recommend sleigh and thats really only
> >> > >>> option,
> >> > >>> it is absolute enourmous work to but it small pieces. I have to
> >> make
> >> > >>
> >> > >> sleigh of
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> RHS beams, plywood and polyamidi slides. This whole set is lowered
> >> on
> >> > >>
> >> > >> stairs
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> by winch. That's the plan and it should (and would) work!
> >> > >>> More coming later! Now I have to sleep!
> >> > >>> Oh, the pictures:
> >> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_DR111cK6W-
> >> > >>> SFJpMm16MVgyVFk&usp=sharing
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Ps. And thank you for all for good advices! :D Thaaaaanks!
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> - Johannes ThelenFinland
> >> > >>> Before microcomputers blog (Finnish)
> >> > >>> http://ennenmikrotietokoneita.blogspot.fi/
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> > Subject: Re: Huge IBM 1800 find (and need > some help)
> >> > >>> > From: paulkoning at comcast.net
> >> > >>> > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 13:53:04 -0400
> >> > >>> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> >> > >>> > CC: publicmail at jwsss.com
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > > On Mar 21, 2015, at 11:23 PM, Jon Elson > >
> >> <elson at pico-systems.com>
> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> > >>> > >
> >> > >>> > > On 03/21/2015 05:15 PM, Jim Stephens wrote:
> >> > >>> > >>
> >> > >>> > >>
> >> > >>> > >> On 3/21/2015 12:50 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> >> > >>> > >>> OK, a quick search shows the 2311 was > >>> indeed
> >> hydraulic!
> >> > >>> > >> The University of Missouri, Rolla 9 drive > >> 2314 was
> >> hydraulic,
> >> > >>> > >> and on
> >> > >>
> >> > >> night
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> a drive's actuator unloaded into the pack area, and took it out,
> >> but the
> >> > >>> damage from that major failure was contained w/o the pack or
> >> actuators
> >> > >>> exiting the enclosure.  however the debris took out all the packs
> >> and
> >> > >>
> >> > >> drives.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> > >>
> >> > >>> > > This one wasn't when I was there.  I think > > we also had a
> >> oil
> >> > >>> > > spraying
> >> > >>
> >> > >> event
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> there, but it was relatively contained.  We had one at Washington
> >> > >>
> >> > >> University,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> also that might have contaminated several spindles before they got
> >> all
> >> > >>> the
> >> > >>> packs unloaded.
> >> > >>> > > I think this one is fairly quickly detected > > if the
> >> computer room
> >> > >>> > > is
> >> > >>
> >> > >> occupied,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> it causes a strong oily smell that is quickly spread by the A/C
> >> system.
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > We had a 1620/II in college with a pair of > 1311s, which are
> >> similar
> >> > >>> > to
> >> > >>
> >> > >> the
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> 2311.  The system drive sprung a leak.  The field service tech
> >> replaced
> >> > >>
> >> > >> the
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> failed seals, and I obtained some reagent grade isopropyl alcohol
> >> from
> >> > >>> the
> >> > >>> chemistry department.  He used that with Kimwipes to clean the oil
> >> from
> >> > >>> pack and heads.  The result was complete success.  Packs and heads
> >> in
> >> > >>
> >> > >> those
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> days had tolerances far larger; I wouldn't want to try that with
> >> anything
> >> > >>
> >> > >> much
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> newer.  But if you have a 2311 with contaminated heads or packs,
> >> you
> >> > >>> might
> >> > >>> give that technique a try.
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > paul
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >
> 
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