At 02:43 PM 12/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb(a)deltasoft.com>
>
> ... though the roman numeral boondoggle below didn't originate with him ...
>
>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:22 PM
>Subject: Re: 10,000 years? (was: Data Archival (OT Long)
>
>
> > > By then, we may resolve the question on this list.
> > >
> > > By then, will MICROS~1 have been broken up?
> > >
> > Yes, but not in the way you think. You see, January 23rd, 10,002 the
> > Microsoft Commonwealth will be invaded by a hideous race known as the
> > Zorg. They invade us because of a bad trade agreement. It seems
> > that when they installed Windows 10,000 in their hospitals, the
> > systems crashed and all the tiny little Zorglings in the creche
> > die.
> >
> > They'll completely devistate humanity in a ragged war that will
> > last a hundred years. By the time we defeat them, we'll be once again
> > trapped in Mother Earth's gravity well.
> >
> > All won't be lost though since an enterprising young man will discover a
> > cache of Z-80 (and glue logic) chip mask drawings etched in gold. Thus
> > the 2341st Computer Revolution will be born. This same individual will
> > find the glass holodisc archive of http://www.retroarchive.org and CP/M
> > will once again flourish in the land.
> >
> > Bill Gates XXXXXXXIIIV
> >
I suspect that whatever OS is used in 10K years, it will have to
be readable by rats, roaches or termites.
Charlie Fox
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> > > Tony, out of curiousity, what are your versions of the
> various PROMs and
> > > EPROMs at U516, 517, 518, and 520 on your Z90?
> >
> > That would involve getting to the Z90, which is not going to be
> > trivial....
FYI, I found this while trolling through some links on retroarchive.org.
Excerpt (edited) from an Arpanet message dated 17-feb-1984:
"When I ordered CP/M the first time and it didn't work, I called
Heath and they said "Oh, yeah, you need a hardware upgrade!"
So I did the following:
1) Replaced the 444-42 in U517 with a 444-66
2) Connect a jumper from the middle pin of U503 to pin 17 of P509
They assured me this would work. However, to make the full upgrade,
I could also do:
3) Replace the 444-40 in U518 with a 444-62
4) Replace the 444-43 in U550 with a 444-61
If I did this, I would lose cassette capability. Since this wasn't
necessary (they said) I decided to just do 1 & 2.
When I did this and it still didn't work, I called Heath again. They
said it should have worked and my disk must be bad. So they sent me
a new disk..guess what, still didn't work. Then they say hardware
problem with the disk drive. That's when I put my problem on the net.
Mr. D. C. Finch of Phoenix was kind enough to write me a letter
(they have R/O access to the net) which told me that indeed 3 & 4
were necessary (at least for CP/M 2.2.03 and later). So this morning
I called Heath again and they said, "That's right, you have to replace
all three chips!" Just wish they had said that back in November!!
I'll be happy to give anyone the details of Mr. Finch's letter if
asked, I don't think most people are that interested.
On 12/10/12 8:12 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>> The whole file is now available at:
>> http://www.retroarchive.org/maslin/maslin_archive.zip
>>
>> When time allows I'll break the disk and ROM image collections down by
>> vendor and get new pages created for them.
>>
>> Many thanks to Al for recovering this!
>
> Great work!
>
this is what I wrote on Erik's site when cctlk was down
--
What was the trick to recovery this collection? Did it turn out to be stored on those backup tapes which are pictured in the download?
The short story is that CHM has been working with Don's niece to try to preserve part of his collection. I went down in July and picked up
all of the media I could find, but at that time I couldn't find the machine that would have held the disk images that Don had said that he
had created. Another CHM staff member was in San Diego over Thanksgiving and went over to the storage unit and found three more boxes
of media. One of them had the tapes. Once I was able to figure out what they were recorded with (a 40mb Irwin floppy tape using EZTAPE)
and after I replaced the tension band, it was obvious that they were the backup tapes for his archive machine (which turns out to have
been called Aardvark). I was able to recover the C: partition but it took a bit of messing around with the versions of EZTAPE on C: before
I was able to recover the multi-tape backup sets from D:, which was where the images were.
--
Related to this. A rescue will be necessary for the remaining contents of the storage unit,
if someone else in the San Diego area can coordinate it. Deborah wants to close out the lease
There are still a bunch of machines and paper there which CHM can't preserve because of a storage
space shortage.
> > Some of those I copied to Tim! I was useing them back when
> > to build mine, from the emergence of V2.2 on.
>
> > >http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/archive/unofficial/
>
> > Da place!
>
> Isn't
>
> http://www.gaby.de/cpm/index.html
>
> more like the official unofficial web site ?
A couple of years ago, I put some finishing touches on a
project I began back in 1988, when I got a copy of the
DRI PL/I-86 compiler. Back then, it wasn't the freeware
that it is today. But of course, today, you can download
it from either of the two sites above.
My goal was to modify it so that it one could use the
Microsoft linker and librarian instead of the DRI linker
and librarian; with this change it would be possible to
mix object modules from other Microsoft-compatible
compilers. Also, I wanted to revise and extend the
runtime system. I completed most everything except
providing access to DOS environment variables. But
the DATE() and TIME() BIFs work as they should, and
you can pass the command line arguments by defining
them as arguments to main() much as in C.
DRI and Microsoft both used the Intel OMF format for the
object files, so it wasn't hard. But like many projects,
it just got stalled for along time.
I recently packaged it up and forwarded it to Peter Flass,
noted PL/I advocate who's omnipresent on comp.lang.pli.
He's going to include it in some archive, but didn't mention
which. You may or may not end up seeing at the two above
sites.
But if anyone out there is interested in it, you can
also obtain it directly from me.
Regards,
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009, Rod Smallwood wrote:
>
> Well here's something that the last time it was made was around 1993.
> It's about as classic as you can get. I had an idea to get my old Rainbow
> based FidoBBs (circa 1986) running again by hooking it up to the net via
> DECServer200/MC and reverse Telneting into it.
>
> I looked round for a copy of FIDO_DEC, found one but NUSQ would not unsqeeze
> it. Finally I found my way to Tom Jennings (The guy who wrote Fido) website.
>
> Total shock and horror!! All of the sources and backups had been trashed in
> a computer crash around 1993. So most of what he had done from 1983 to 1993
> was a heap of smoldering ruins.
>
Yeah, that was a horrifying discovery for me too. :(
You may be able to still use one of the later Fido releases on your
Rainbow via FOSSIL driver. Opus might also work via FOSSIL. You can use
tcpser to handle the inbound/outbound interface. I use that program for
the interface to the Apple IIe board I run. The IIe thinks there's a
Hayes Smartmodem on the other end. I don't know if Jim has had time to
integrate my WILLDO ECHO patch to tcpser though. (without it, the telnet
client does it's own echoing which rreessuullttss iinn tthhiiss....))
....
I just did a bit of digging and yes, you can run Opus on the Rainbow.
The following link has both Opus and the FOSSIL driver for the Rainbow
(ODEC_301.LZH): http://www.sentry.org/~trev/opus/173files.html
If you head over to http://cd.textfiles.com/kirkscom9409/msdos/bbs/fido/
you can download Fido v12U configured for FOSSIL use. (F12U_FSL.ZIP)
If you need any help, just holler. :)
Telnet to aor.retroarchive.org if you're feeling _really_ nostalgic.
*laughs*
g.
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On 3/19/13 7:33 AM, geneb wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Dave Land wrote:
>
>> On 3/18/13 6:14 PM, Terry Stewart wrote:
>>>> jumper setting on these old full bay 5 1/4 floppies to select the drive
>>>> ID? Any ideas?
>>>
>>> In my Kaypro II, the Tandon M-100 drives use an IC-type jumper for
>>> drive select, not the cable. Remember to swap the terminating
>>> resistor too.
>>>
>>> Terry (Tez)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yep, found that out. Thanks Terry. I checked your site and found the
>> link back to Dave Dunfield's for the floppy images. I tried
>> mrynet.com, but their FTP seems to be down at the moment. I'll
>> probably try to image a couple of disks later tonight. :)
>
> Dave, don't forget to check out the Kaypro section of the Don Maslin
> archive over at http://www.retroarchive.org - there are a LOT of disk
> images.
>
> g.
>
Thanks Gene, I think it's kind of a moot point though. While I was
working on getting the remaining working floppy drive setup for an image
write, one of the caps on the power supply board went POW! and
everything went dark. Guess it just wasn't meant to be.
Anybody need any Kaypro II parts? (less the power supply and the bad
floppy drive of course...) I'm done messing with it.
At least I have one working CP/M machine, my Xerox 820-II. That's enough
to keep me occupied, along with all my other old toys. :)
Maybe I'll do something constructive and turn it into a 'retro-modern'
computer with a small flat screen in place of the CRT and grab a
micro-ATX board and stick in it. It's not like there's not enough room
in that big aluminum case to do most anything. :D
--
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Land Computer Service
Check out my site at http://www.landcomp.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb(a)deltasoft.com>
... though the roman numeral boondoggle below didn't originate with him ...
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: 10,000 years? (was: Data Archival (OT Long)
> > By then, we may resolve the question on this list.
> >
> > By then, will MICROS~1 have been broken up?
> >
> Yes, but not in the way you think. You see, January 23rd, 10,002 the
> Microsoft Commonwealth will be invaded by a hideous race known as the
> Zorg. They invade us because of a bad trade agreement. It seems
> that when they installed Windows 10,000 in their hospitals, the
> systems crashed and all the tiny little Zorglings in the creche
> die.
>
> They'll completely devistate humanity in a ragged war that will
> last a hundred years. By the time we defeat them, we'll be once again
> trapped in Mother Earth's gravity well.
>
> All won't be lost though since an enterprising young man will discover a
> cache of Z-80 (and glue logic) chip mask drawings etched in gold. Thus
> the 2341st Computer Revolution will be born. This same individual will
> find the glass holodisc archive of http://www.retroarchive.org and CP/M
> will once again flourish in the land.
>
> Bill Gates XXXXXXXIIIV
>
Shouldn't that be LXX (for the first part)? Maybe you can write out in
decimal what IIIV is supposed to be, since only ONE lesser character to the
left is subtracted, and the two remaining 'I's are meaningless.
>
> will of course try to co-opt
this in his grandest
> family tradition by naming it "Computer Program/Microsoft", but no one
> pays any attention and a short time later he's fed feet first into a
> recently restored 20th century automated sausage press. [Which it is
> later discovered to have been restored for this exact purpose.]
>
> > By then, will we have a RELIABLE OS?
> >
> Depends on how the Zorg react to CP/M, now doesn't it?
>
> g.
>
>
Hi
I guess the next question is, does anyone have the
dumps of these chips or what the new mapping is??
I suspect that there is some remapping of the memory
and some for the I/O. I don't know why it would take
3 chips though. I'll have to dig through my stuff to
find a schematic. I may be able to figure it out from there.
Dwight
>From: "Patrick Rigney" <patrick(a)evocative.com>
>
>> > > Tony, out of curiousity, what are your versions of the
>> various PROMs and
>> > > EPROMs at U516, 517, 518, and 520 on your Z90?
>> >
>> > That would involve getting to the Z90, which is not going to be
>> > trivial....
>
>FYI, I found this while trolling through some links on retroarchive.org.
>Excerpt (edited) from an Arpanet message dated 17-feb-1984:
>
>"When I ordered CP/M the first time and it didn't work, I called
>Heath and they said "Oh, yeah, you need a hardware upgrade!"
>So I did the following:
>
>1) Replaced the 444-42 in U517 with a 444-66
>2) Connect a jumper from the middle pin of U503 to pin 17 of P509
>They assured me this would work. However, to make the full upgrade,
>I could also do:
>3) Replace the 444-40 in U518 with a 444-62
>4) Replace the 444-43 in U550 with a 444-61
>If I did this, I would lose cassette capability. Since this wasn't
>necessary (they said) I decided to just do 1 & 2.
>
>When I did this and it still didn't work, I called Heath again. They
>said it should have worked and my disk must be bad. So they sent me
>a new disk..guess what, still didn't work. Then they say hardware
>problem with the disk drive. That's when I put my problem on the net.
>Mr. D. C. Finch of Phoenix was kind enough to write me a letter
>(they have R/O access to the net) which told me that indeed 3 & 4
>were necessary (at least for CP/M 2.2.03 and later). So this morning
>I called Heath again and they said, "That's right, you have to replace
>all three chips!" Just wish they had said that back in November!!
>I'll be happy to give anyone the details of Mr. Finch's letter if
>asked, I don't think most people are that interested.
> I finally got an 8-inch floppy drive connected to a PC and now I want
> to create an 8-inch boot floppy from a Teledisk image I found, but
> tdcheck says it's an 82 track 3.5-inch floppy image. That's seems
> odd.
>
> http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/os/ALTOS.ZIP
>
> Anyone know for sure if I should be able to use Teledisk to write this
> image directly to an 8-inch floppy? Or would I need to do something
> like write the image to a 3.5 inch floppy and then use ImageDisk to
> read that floppy and write it to the 8-inch floppy?
I took a look at the archive in question - here's what I could figure
out:
I first tried TDCHECK from TD2.15 - this reports that it's reading side
128 which seems really wrong. Noting that it also said the image was
made with TD2.1, I tried TD2.11 (closest I have) and it did report that
it was reading side 0 and side 1 ... so If you do try and recreate it,
I would suggest using TD2.1x
It also reports FM on a 3.5" drive with 26 sectors/track. 3.5" drives
normally operate at 300rpm. An 8" drive operates at 360 rpm, and
normally has 26 FM sectors on a track. If the image were truly on a
300 rpm drive, I would expect to see more sectors. So the sectors match
an 8" drive. Teledisk tries to describe it's disks in terms of PC drives,
and since a PC doesn't have a specification for an 8" drive, it would
have had to be manually set up - My guess is that whomever made those
images didn't have the drives set up correctly. TD probably thought it
was talking to a 300rpm drive, but the # sectors makes me thing it was
actually a 360 rpm drive.
Unfortunately it may not work backwards - TeleDisk has to calculate the
gaps based on total number of bits/track and I assume it will determine
this from what it thinks the drive RPM is... I might work ... doesn't
hurt to try. If it doesn't, you might be able to write it to a 3.5"
disk, read that into IMD and write it out to a 8".
Also concerneing is the fact that TDCHECK is reporting 82 tracks - does
the Altos have special drives with more tracks? - I've seen people try
to get an extra track or two, but 5 tracks past the end of the drive (8"
= 77 tracks) seems too much.
Dave
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Hi Gene,
Did I send you that copy of that font? My mind is like a sieve.
I now send you a copy of my plea for help. (Programming help, I'm not
running from the cops or anything...)
Sorry for bugging folks 2x (i've already begged for help on FB), but I
have a project I want to do in xscreensaver.
So far, i can't even get a basic "hack" to work, because this isn't
the kind of thing I do.
It's for a good cause, a Dennis Nedry screensaver, like in Jurassic Park.
The windows version my friend created for me kind of doesn't work
right, and it requires xna, which is bad because it means it won't run
on a system that doesn't have real directx support... and he's gone to
ground and won't give me the .net source)
I mainly use linux anyway. The windows version even talks... see below:
http://retrobbs.cortex-media.info/nedry.jpg
I've no experience writing graphical applications (since Apple // days
anyway) and can get the stupid thing to compile, but I can't even get
a very simple demo screensaver working.
I'm sure you'll all agree this project is CRITICAL. Especially Euan....
I'll even say the magic word -- PLEASE!
On 16 April 2013 17:40, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, steve shumaker wrote:
>
>> On 4/16/2013 8:10 AM, geneb wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, John Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 09:42 AM 4/16/2013, geneb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, John Foust wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except "Well, our metadata is shit." I think he put that in there just
>>>>>> to let the professional archivists blow their coffee out their noses.
>>>>>
>>>>> The hope is to be blunt about it in order to not only be up front about
>>>>> the problem, but to hopefully get volunteers to provide/improve the
>>>>> metadata.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And is there a mechanism for that to happen?
>>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure it's straightforward to submit new metadata - however,
>>> they're underingoing a commercial power upgrade at the moment and are
>>> offline. When they're back up, I'd suggest creating an account and see what
>>> they offer with regards to new submissions.
>>>
>>> g.
>>>
>>>
>> Would not the Maslin archives be a valuable submission?
>
>
> I suspect it's already there. If not, I can certainly correct the
> oversight. I do know that the LoC has a copy of retroarchive.org - I just
> don't know how fresh it is.
>
> g
>
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>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
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