26 Nov
2007
26 Nov
'07
4:40 p.m.
We all know decent emulators are a click away. But
what do you do once you're downloaded and installed
the emulator? Much C64 s/w was copy protected to begin
with, so does having an emulator give you the ability
to do much more then code from scratch? Is there s/w
out there?
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26 Nov
26 Nov
4:50 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris M" <chrism3667 at yahoo.com>
To: "talk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:40 PM
Subject: the Commie 64 lives?
We all know decent emulators are a click away. But
what do you do once you're downloaded and installed
the emulator? Much C64 s/w was copy protected to begin
with, so does having an emulator give you the ability
to do much more then code from scratch? Is there s/w
out there?
You do the same thing people did back in the 80's, load cracked games into
your C64. Same for every other system that has an emulator. I would guess
that there are more disk images of games and programs floating around on the
web with copy protection removed then there are direct images with
protection intact (which would be hard to do since some games used known
disk defects as copy protection).
I am not saying it is legal or moral, just what's out there.
7:15 p.m.
Teo Zenios wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris M" <chrism3667 at yahoo.com>
To: "talk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:40 PM
Subject: the Commie 64 lives?
Well, if you own the game disks, the there is no legal/moral issue per
se, but if you feel only your own disks are sacred, there are apps for
the PC to read 1541 floppies (via a real 1541) from within the
emulator. Pretty slick, IMHO.
There is also some action in the TeleComm space, with VICE at least
having a IP based ACIA emulation, which some hook through tcpser or BBS
Server to call C64/C128 IP-based BBS systems using standard 64 terminal
emulator programs (an emulator in an emulator, blows your mind).
Jim
We all know decent emulators are a click away.
But
what do you do once you're downloaded and installed
the emulator? Much C64 s/w was copy protected to begin
with, so does having an emulator give you the ability
to do much more then code from scratch? Is there s/w
out there?
You do the same thing people did back in the 80's, load cracked games into
your C64. Same for every other system that has an emulator. I would guess
that there are more disk images of games and programs floating around on the
web with copy protection removed then there are direct images with
protection intact (which would be hard to do since some games used known
disk defects as copy protection).
I am not saying it is legal or moral, just what's out there.
27 Nov
27 Nov
4:02 p.m.
In all honesty, are there likely to be penalties for
owning/downloading old software like that? I really
don't have a clue. I do remember when it was deemed
*illegal* for websites to host arcade machine roms
(presumably it's also *illegal* to own them). It's
illegal to xerox a page from a book at the library,
but it goes on every day of the week. Some laws are
created to prohibit outright fraud, but I can't see
anyone doing time for xeroxing a page from an
encyclopedia...
Anyway, I'm most interested in UK/Euro shareware and
stuff, mostly the old games for the C64 (and other
platforms as well). Does anyone remember that stupid
little game with the robot...all I can say is I
managed to get it to the *end* and the thing always
would up screaming it's guts out (due to electrocution
IIRC).
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10:11 p.m.
Chris M wrote:
In all honesty, are there likely to be penalties for
owning/downloading old software like that?
Legally, yes. Practically, no.
The Internet Archive got a real bone-fide exception from the US
government (DMCA, I believe) to archive software that has historical
significance. Everyone else is breaking the law.
Should you worry? Probably not. There are very high-profile sites that
have been around for over a decade (Asimov mirrors and c64.com comes to
mind; many others) that have not been served with any cease and desist
letters because most software companies don't feel they are being harmed
through unauthorized distribution of materials.
I do remember when it was deemed
*illegal* for websites to host arcade machine roms
(presumably it's also *illegal* to own them).
It's *always* been illegal :-)
The sites that get hit with cease and desist letters are sites that are
hosting ROMs for games which the current copyright holders are still
utilizing for money. The most obvious example would be Nintendo
cracking down on all NES/SNES sites because their newest console, the
Wii, has an online service where you can purchase the same games and
play them in an emulator on the Wii.
It's
illegal to xerox a page from a book at the library,
but it goes on every day of the week.
It's not illegal in the US depending on what your usage is. There is a
Fair Use clause in US copyright law that protects your copy if you are
using it for a limited number of purposes (educational, parody, a few
others). Fair Use does **not** protect you from causing the copyright
holder financial harm and/or using said property to damage their image
or reputation.
Anyway, I'm most interested in UK/Euro shareware
and
stuff, mostly the old games for the C64 (and other
platforms as well). Does anyone remember that stupid
little game with the robot...all I can say is I
managed to get it to the *end* and the thing always
would up screaming it's guts out (due to electrocution
IIRC).
Email me off-list as I think Jay would agree going this route would be
OT. One such list to discuss the hobby of collecting old software
(games or otherwise) is the "swcollect" mailing list. However, that
list is down this week as I'm upgrading my infrastructure at the moment :-)
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