- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mor＠crl.com

Check out this entry I found on the web for a PAPERBACK book: ----------- Programming the 6502 Computer by Zaks, Rodney Sybex, Berkely, CA 1978 pbk near fine/ 305 p.8.5x5.3x.8 ISBN 0895880091 shelf wear otw clean tight bright no defects (Keywords: rodney zaks programming 6502 micro computer manual) The price of the book is US$ 153.00 The seller is Bennie R Warden - Bookseller 39 S Alhambra , Port St Lucie, FL, U.S.A., 34952-2832. benwarden(a)earthlink.net. Ph: 561 878-9645. Terms of sale: Ten day Reserve by E-Mail or Telephone. Sorry, No Credit Cards at this ----------- Fortunately, I got my copy for 25 cents at the Bargain Box a few years ago. -- mor(a)crl.com http://www.crl.com/~mor/

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Here's an interesting spam

by dastar＠wco.com

I know this is off-topic, but this is the type of crowd that can appreciate this. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Spencer.A.Smith(a)Switzerland.com To: OpportunitySeeker(a)wco.com Subject: Here Is The Information You Requested! Subject: Here Is The Information You Asked For! Please excuse this intrusion. Your Name Has ALREADY BEEN DELETED from our database. --- First they use the lame ploy of trying to trick you into thinking you requested the information at some previous time (has this ever worked on anyone!?) and then acknowledge that it is in fact unsolicited spam by apologizing for the intrusion. The really lame part is that this message was almost 20K! That is an abuse of bandwidth that really should be punishable by death. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't blame me...I voted for Satan. Coming in September...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 04/13/98]

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FW: PDP-11/23 available, probably cheap

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Want an 11/23 system? Check with this fellow directly if so. I have no clue where he's located. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: fhoffman(a)solarex.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro,alt.sys.pdp-11 Subject: old working system, for sale? Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:19:25 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6h7ved$8ee$1(a)nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.252.193.136 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 17 16:19:25 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT) Path: blushng.jps.net!nntp.snfc21.pbi.net!news.pbi.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail I have PDP-11/23's with lots of spares. The system was used as a multi- tasking host for 2 slave LSI computers. It is currently configured running RT-11FB but will run TSX. Host has 256k 200nS RAM, AED disk controller with Seagate ST-251 formatted as 4 RL02 drives, 1 RX02 8" floppy. The networking connection was done using Star-11 cards. It was running at the time the plug was pulled so this is a working system. It was being used to test Photovoltaic devices (solar cells). The slaves were being used as test controllers and the host was for booting the slaves and storing test results. The slaves include Data Translation data acquisition cards and ADAC high current digital I/O cards. All of this is based on Q-bus. E-mail if interested, because it will soon go to the dumpster. Forrest -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin {at} j<p>s d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

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How big is a RA92?

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Daniel, 1.5GB cheers, emanuel ---------- > From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: How big is a RA92? > Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 3:31 PM > > > . I just got one. How big is a RA92? > > It doesn't appear to have a terminal plug like the 81 does... :( > -------

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Seriously Off Topic(?) CGI...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Is this off topic? How old is CGI? As old as Netscape 1.x? Anyway, does anyone know it? Where can I get good database scripts (for users, etc.) Thanks, and sorry for my waste of all-presious bandwith, Tim D. Hotze

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OS/2 Service Pack (a bit off-topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

You don't understand. I take what I can get. It's not like there is a library that lets me pick the OS/2 version that I want. But what bugs are in 2.0? > >>Max Eskin wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone have the Service Pack 1 for OS/2 2.0, or know of an >>> archive for it? IBM has nothing about it on their site. >>> >>> ______________________________________________________ >>> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >>I'll say that you better use OS/2 V2.1 . >>I don't know if V2.0 was a real seld version. > >Even the 2.1 beta's were better than 2.0, while 2.0 was a great OS, it had >several VERY annonying, very troublesome bugs. > >I'd say get 1.3 (totally differen't very windows like), or 2.1, but skip >2.0. IIRC 2.0 is the only software I've ever destroyed for the floppies, >instead of saving (something I now regret since I'm now into preserving >everything). > > Zane > > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | >| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html | > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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This week is the week!

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > The RA81 is _heavy_. If it's anything like the R80, then the official DEC > procedure is to take out the HDA when mounting the drive, to make it > light enough to handle. Yes the manual says that for the RA81 as well. It also says that it weighs 148 lbs! > Getting > it onto the rails with 2 people holding it is next to impossible. > Done that after fetching the drive from the car in a wheelbarrow ;-). The trick is to extend the rails (after extending the stabilising foot first) and then lift from below so that your arms don't get tangled with the rails. Once the drive is sitting on the rails squarely it is _fairly_ stable and can be juggled about to line up the screw holes. As a point of interest the book says that the drive takes 18 amps for the first four seconds whilst it is spinning up. Regards Pete

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Quick Question

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> Refering to the recent (and current) talks on the nintendo: > Is it appropriate to talk about video consoles on this list? (they don't > quite fit my definition of "computer") > If so I need help with a Fairchild chanel F: Schenatics and any info on the > hardware. I should probably pop in and post my biannual pointer to the classic videogames list. Subscription address: classic-videogames-request(a)moose.webworks.ca -- Ben Coakley http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH Wow, this is global. -Mtn Goats

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Vintage Calculators Forum - Archival Pages

by jredin＠earthlink.net

Attending several requests, I'm pleased to announce that today I've posted a new section in the Vintage Calculators section of the X-Number World with the archival pages of the Vintage Calculators Forum. The archival pages can be accessed in the following address: http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber Section: VINTAGE CALCULATORS --> ARCHIVALS As you will see, you won't be able to post answers to the archived messages, but you will be able to send e-mail messages to the message owners. Regards, James Redin X-Number World of Calculators

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How Do You Program Nintendo Games?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

No, I'm not, it was for a friend, who's really into video games... Thanks anyway, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Dies Irrae <DiesIrrae(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 5:33 PM Subject: Re: How Do You Program Nintendo Games? >If you are looking into a future of programming video games then check out >www.digipen.com (I think that is it). I visited them once and was very >impressed. > >-Enrique!

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8080 Trainer - more info

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Well actually I never got into the Octal ting :) It's just that I had to with this trainer. >Some 8080 people/machines (I've not seen it done on many other >processors) write 16 bit numbers as 2 8-bit bytes in octal. They'd write >the above number as 151 257 and not 064657. That's what I'd assumed you >were doing here. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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OS/2 Service Pack (a bit off-topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Does anyone have the Service Pack 1 for OS/2 2.0, or know of an archive for it? IBM has nothing about it on their site. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Non-classic but still interesting

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

A few weeks ago, I was charged with fixing a new Macintosh 5400/180. It had been in a music room, in a sound proof booth, for several months, with a MIDI interface being used for music software and the like. The problem was something with the hard drive. This is the second hard drive failure I've seen since an AT&T 6300. When the drive tries to seek, it sound like a pendulum is stopping (tick... tock,tock,tock,SILENCE). The head never sounds like it moves. The little LED on the drive flashes, though. This is an IDE, by the way. So, here's the good part. We sent in for a replacement, and in a few days, it's the same way. Now, I'm thinking it's a problem with the sound box's power supply, maybe those 2GW speakers in there. Any ideas before we fry another 8GB? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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This week is the week!

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I can imagine DEC utility of the week - Ampmaker -"Overcome the 20 Amp limit - optimize your bootup sequence - eliminate those annoying explosions..." > >[RA81 takes 18 amps to spin up] > >This is why I turn the RA on, spin it up, and THEN turn on the BA boxes. >Otherwise I trip the power controller breaker. >------- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Altair scans update

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Kai/others: The 4mm tape with the scans was forwarded to Bill Whitson several months ago (12/7/97) so that he could post them. I have heard neither hide nor hair >from him since I got his real home address. If I had a personal web site with 100mb++ of storage, I'd post them to myself and pass out the URL. Alas, I don't... If someone lives near Bill Whitson, knock on his door and tell him to post the scans! Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:15:43 -0700 From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Altair scans update? Message-ID: <61AC5C9A4B9CD11181A200805F57CD5402E0F5FB(a)red-msg-44.dns.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I check on this subject every 6 months whether I need to or not. What happened to this invaluable resource? Has it ever been posted anywhere? thanks Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: Kai Kaltenbach > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 10:56 AM > To: 'classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu' > Subject: RE: Altair scans update > > Whatever happened to these? > > thanks > > Kai > > ---------- > From: Richard A. Cini, Jr.[SMTP:rcini@classic.msn.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 5:31 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Altair scans update > > For those who have asked... > > The Altair scans are ready to post, I just have to ZIP them up and > send the > tape to Bill Whitson. Does anyone have his physical address?? > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Rich Cini/WUGNET > <rcini(a)msn.com> > - ClubWin Charter Member (6) > - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking >

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Quick Question

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Refering to the recent (and current) talks on the nintendo: Is it appropriate to talk about video consoles on this list? (they don't quite fit my definition of "computer") If so I need help with a Fairchild chanel F: Schenatics and any info on the hardware. Otherwyse forget my post. Thank you. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Hotze <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 1:10 AM Subject: How Do You Program Nintendo Games? >Well? How DO you program Nintendo games. Do you need to compile? Or is it >more like BASIC? Is it done in any specific language? > Just asking... > >Tim D. Hotze >

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Warez?? Was: Re: James Willings still up?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Geez, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you guys... > -----Original Message----- > From: Van Burnham [SMTP:van@wired.com] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:26 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: RE: Warez?? Was: Re: James Willings still up? > > AAAAAAAAH. Wrongo. Try again. > > > Or was that a little joke?? > > van > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Christian Fandt [SMTP:cfandt@servtech.com] > >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 9:10 AM > >> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > >> Subject: Warez?? Was: Re: James Willings still up? > >> > >> Forgive me for not knowing what _might_ be common knowledge amongst > some > >> folks here, but what is this "warez" thing?? > >> > >Warez (pronounced "war-ehs" is an infamous village in southern Mexico > that > >was once a training camp for CIA counter-insurgency computer terrorism > >recruits. Furnished with the highest end computer hacking equipment by > the > >US Government, under the direction of Oliver North, they went rogue when > the > >program was discontinued during the Iran-Contra scandal. After their > >payroll was cut, the village, ironically, hired itself out to > international > >terrorist concerns to perform paid attacks on US commerce. This > situation > >was exacerbated by an abortive attempt to invade Warez by Puerto Rican > >commandos under the direction of the US military in 1997. This has since > >been known as the "Bay of Warez" disaster. > > > >Kai > > > ........................................................................ > > @ > / > / Shift Lever > (D)/ > \===================================== @ ================ Floor Plan === > BNL |- - -Phase Shifter- - - -|--/ Get Wired! > - ------------]=[]@----------------------@ 415.276.4979 > Trans- ] ]](A) Toll Free 1.888.208.6655 (B) ? (C) Rear Connection > mission ]]]]]]]]]]]]Driveshaft]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] > ] ]] > 71 ------------] web superstation of the stars... > van burnham http://www.futuraworld.com > production manager > wired 520 third street fourth floor san francisco ca 94107 united states > ........................................................................ > for immediate emergency wireless access send email to van-page(a)wired.com > van(a)wired.com van(a)futuraworld.com pingpong(a)spy.net vanburnham(a)aol.com >

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Warez?? Was: Re: James Willings still up?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Fandt [SMTP:cfandt@servtech.com] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 9:10 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Warez?? Was: Re: James Willings still up? > > Forgive me for not knowing what _might_ be common knowledge amongst some > folks here, but what is this "warez" thing?? > Warez (pronounced "war-ehs" is an infamous village in southern Mexico that was once a training camp for CIA counter-insurgency computer terrorism recruits. Furnished with the highest end computer hacking equipment by the US Government, under the direction of Oliver North, they went rogue when the program was discontinued during the Iran-Contra scandal. After their payroll was cut, the village, ironically, hired itself out to international terrorist concerns to perform paid attacks on US commerce. This situation was exacerbated by an abortive attempt to invade Warez by Puerto Rican commandos under the direction of the US military in 1997. This has since been known as the "Bay of Warez" disaster. Kai

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How big is a RA92?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

. I just got one. How big is a RA92? It doesn't appear to have a terminal plug like the 81 does... :( -------

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Sharp PC-7000

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I just picked up a Sharp PC 7000. it's one of those lunch box sized portables with a LCD screen on one side and a fold up keyboard. This thing has a built-in real time clock. Does anyone have the software to read the clock and load the time into DOS? Joe

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HP thinkjet printer HP2225P

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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The PC's Soviet?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>EMP - ElectroMagnetic Pulses. This is the electrical wave that is the result >of a nuclear detonation. Vacuum tubes aren't the only way to "harden" a >curcuit against this. The usual and practical way to protect against this is >to armor the electronics and all connecting cables. I worked with the Short >range Attack Missile (SRAM), Air Launched Cruise Missile (ALCM), Sea >Launched Cruise Missile (SLCM) and Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM) for many >years. I'm all too familiar with using a megohm meter to check resistance >between the body and covers of equipment made to protect against EMP. Vacuum >tubes are good at a distance. Anyone seen Goldeneye? ;-) So that part about the MiG's crashing and that helicopter not... fake? >> I wouldn't care to run a business with a Russian built computer though... > >I'm starting to wonder about Taiwan made as well.... Just as Max can vouch for the USSR, I can/cannot for Taiwan. They've got good heads on their shoulders, but they think that it's American not to use them. That will be their downfall. Tim D. Hotze

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How Do You Program Nintendo Games?

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

Tim D. Hotze said: >Well? How DO you program Nintendo games. Do you need to compile? >Or is it more like BASIC? Is it done in any specific language? > Just asking... The NES (unless I still half asleep) executes 6502 code. The Super NES is 65816. I think the GameBoy is Z80 (I've never programmed on it). And the N64 uses a 4000 series MIPS processor (4300 or 4400 I'm not sure)(I've never programmed it either). You could write code in 'C' if you have a cross compiler. On the N64, I'll bet that most of the programming is done in 'C' (maybe 99%) because there you are using Libraries that handle all of the low level stuff. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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How Do You Program Nintendo Games?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well? How DO you program Nintendo games. Do you need to compile? Or is it more like BASIC? Is it done in any specific language? Just asking... Tim D. Hotze

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How Do You Program Nintendo Games?

by DiesIrrae＠aol.com

If you are looking into a future of programming video games then check out www.digipen.com (I think that is it). I visited them once and was very impressed. -Enrique!

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Must be a typo!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Check out this entry I found on the web for a PAPERBACK book: < <----------- <Programming the 6502 Computer by Zaks, Rodney Sybex, Berkely, CA 1978 <pbk near fine/ 305 p.8.5x5.3x.8 ISBN 0895880091 shelf wear otw clean <tight bright no defects (Keywords: rodney zaks programming 6502 micro <computer manual) The price of the book is US$ 153.00 < <The seller is Bennie R Warden - Bookseller <39 S Alhambra , Port St Lucie, FL, U.S.A., 34952-2832. <benwarden(a)earthlink.net. Ph: 561 878-9645. Terms of sale: Ten day <Reserve by E-Mail or Telephone. Sorry, No Credit Cards at this <----------- I have that one and the follow on applications books. That means my set is worth more. The guy is smoking something. Mine still have the labels >from when I bought them new and they look new none were over 13$. Allison

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MULTICS emulator/simulator project

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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What format is a VAX 8800/8700/8550/8500 bootdisk in?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I just got my hands on a console refrence for the above, and it had a 5.25" disk in the back. It's labeled "WAFI". (APparently the machine name). How can I see what's on it? I did a "MOUNT/FOREIGN DK0: B:" from PUTR, and it doesn't recognise the format... -------

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8080 Trainer - more info

by fauradon＠pclink.com

If you are interested I can manage to have the schematics and silkscreen scanned, but I'll wait till you ask ;) >I now have to work out which socket is which. Shouldn't take long - I >recognise all the chips, have data one them, and it's quite simple. Don't >spoil it for me by posting the answer just yet ;-) Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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Whitechapel Hitech 10 bits?

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Wang Computer

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

My most recent discard find is a Wang PC-S3-2 . It had had 2 winchester disks removed before being thrown out, but otherwise seems intact. No KB , monitor , or FDD's of course. From what I've been able to find on the net ( Wang CUG) it's an early "Classic PC" but this predates their oldest listed model specs. There seems to be many more sites on the CPM models but not on Wang PC's. The full-size motherboard has Z-80 and 8086 chips and 2 20 pinM ribbon connecters below two cutouts leading to the HD enclosure ,a centronics parallell printer, 25 pin serial, and KB ports on the rear. It has 5 half-size expansion slots .all occupied. One card is labelled PM 101 IBM Mono emulation and has 2 rear sockets. One is a regular 5pin kb socket and the other an 8pin din which I imagine is the monitor port. Strangely enough the same din as my Epson KB. This board is coupled with another by a 10 line ribbon cable. On either side of these are 2 cards that look identical the bottom-most labelled PM 021 / 022B Winchester Controller. Both have 20 pin and 10 pin male ribbon connectors. The top-most card looks like a memory card and has a LED. It's somewhat sparsely populated with mcm 6665 (motorola mem ?) and low-powered schotsky chips but traces for many more sockets. Seems pretty straight forward if it wasn't for the extra 20 pin connectors on the HD controller cards. Fdd connectors ? My lack of technical knowledge is showing. Maybe because of the company I'm keeping on this techno-whiz m-list. It's intimidating. :^) I believe Wang had it's own proprietory system and I did d-l a set-up from the Wang CUG site but info on this beast seems scarce, tho IIRC they were widely used in business operations. Anyone ?? ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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OT re:OT

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

Hmmm 31 messages downloaded. Score ? Subject 19 Assholes errmm no thats The PC's Soviet 3 Star Treck At least more interesting than US dicks are bigger than Russian dicks 9 classiccmp related SAM !!!!!! I might have to rethink things. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Visual 1083 Commuter portable

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Anyone have any information on the Visual 1083 Commuter? It is a MS-DOS based dual half height 360K floppy portable. Thanks- Marty

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The PC's Soviet?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I dunno if this guy's going to privately e-mail me or send an e-mail to ClassicCmp, but there's this programmer that I know that seems interested in early Soviet computers. I'll see what I can see... the A2 clone sounds cool, if it had a decent 6502/6502 clone. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 9:57 PM Subject: RE: The PC's Soviet? > >>Does anyone on the list have any Soviet-manufactured systems? This >might >>be a good thing to look for when (whoever it was that wrote the list >that >>he was going to Hungary soon) goes over there. >> >Do Russian slide rules coun > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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The PC's Soviet?

by peacock＠simconv.com

> All right, I have taken this for a while, but no more. This ignorance > about Soviet technology and abilities is ridiculous. I think you > people have kept your anti-communist opinions along with you IBM > 704s. > > Although the USSR certainly had ridiculous administration, and its > technology was not very modern, there were many advances by the > soviet union, and it now has just as much technology as the US. > The soviets always had comparable technology, but were limited by inefficient manufacturing and logistics. Those only exposed to western design philosophy tend to belittle soviet engineers because of the seemingly crude appearance of their equipment, but they had to meet vastly different product requirements. Their export market was the underdeveloped third world, no infrastructure at all. When your target market is some place like Mongolia, Eritrea or South Yemen you have an entirely different set of design parameters. There is no Radio Shack down the corner, no parts store in town, no UPS delivery service. Even literacy is at a premium. Yet they were able to deliver relatively sophisticated equipment to places like this, and were able to maintain it locally. I for one have a great respect for soviet engineers like Mikoyan or Antonov, even Mikhail Kalashnikov, the guy who designed so well he worked himself right out of a job. Jack Peacock

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8080 Trainer - more info

by fauradon＠pclink.com

This Trainer was called the Dyna-Micro Here is the Memory allocation: Hi Lo 000 000 \ > Key Prom 000 377 / 001 000 \ > Optional ROM 002 377 / 002 000 \ > Optional R/W Memory 003 377 / 003 000 \ > R/W Memory 003 377 / 004 000 \ > Available for user expansion 377 377 / Will post more later Does anyone knows where I can find a 1702 programmed with KEX? Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Roberts <groberts(a)mitre.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 9:12 PM Subject: 8080 Trainer - more info >Tony Duell originally asked this but the group may be interested. The MMD1 >8080 trainer was based on a design by Jonathan Titus and Company (Tychon >Inc.) and was apparently described in a series of articles in the May-July >1976 Radio Electronics, however it is also described in "The 8080a Bugbook", >a Howard Sams book (ISBN 0-672-21447-4), 1977. > >Tony: the two ROM sockets are for 1702 ROMS. The very simple but efficient >monitor, called KEX for "Keyboard Executive", easily fits in the 256 byte >space of one of these, leaving ROM socket 1 for "expansion". > >I don't have access to the original articles on this unit but it was easy >enough to reverse engineer the assembly listing of KEX, below. I'd give >y'all instructions on using the monitor but that would take the fun out of >reading the source listing! i've also stuck the HEX file at the end of the >listing. have fun! >

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The PC's Soviet?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>Does anyone on the list have any Soviet-manufactured systems? This might >be a good thing to look for when (whoever it was that wrote the list that >he was going to Hungary soon) goes over there. > Do Russian slide rules coun ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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The PC's Soviet?

by engine＠chac.org

At 12:10 4/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone on the list have any Soviet-manufactured systems? This might >be a good thing to look for when (whoever it was that wrote the list that >he was going to Hungary soon) goes over there. Er.... When we fell heir to the big heap of Apple stuff outside Sacramento, one of the things we found when we dug in a bit was a Soviet Apple ][ clone called an Elektronika. I can't quote chapter and verse because we haven't really unbuttoned it yet, but it would seem that the really astounding part isn't the computer, it's the monitor. We also have schematics and, when I have a bit more (i. e. nonzero) free time, I'm going to ferret out someone who can read them. Max would probably be a good start! Also, for a source on this, remember that in _TCJ_ a guy named Helmut Jungkunz wrote a bunch of columns about both Soviet and East German computers. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Altair scans update?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I check on this subject every 6 months whether I need to or not. What happened to this invaluable resource? Has it ever been posted anywhere? thanks Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: Kai Kaltenbach > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 10:56 AM > To: 'classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu' > Subject: RE: Altair scans update > > Whatever happened to these? > > thanks > > Kai > > ---------- > From: Richard A. Cini, Jr.[SMTP:rcini@classic.msn.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 5:31 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Altair scans update > > For those who have asked... > > The Altair scans are ready to post, I just have to ZIP them up and > send the > tape to Bill Whitson. Does anyone have his physical address?? > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Rich Cini/WUGNET > <rcini(a)msn.com> > - ClubWin Charter Member (6) > - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking >

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Epson HX40 (fwd)

by yowza＠yowza.com

Can anybody help this guy out? -- Doug ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:06:52 -0400 From: Mark Frey <markfrey(a)bright.net> To: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> Subject: Re: Epson HX40 I need it to control a traffic sign board like you see on highway construction projects. Lets just say that these things are hard to find. The manufacturer has a EPROM they plug into the HX40 with the program. At 12:42 AM 4/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >I just got an HX-20, and I've got some other machines that have a similar >form factor (like the TRS-80 Model 100), but no HX-40. Why are you >looking for that model specifically? > >-- Doug > >On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Mark wrote: > >> I need an Epson HX-40 to actually use. Might you have one???? >> >> thanks >> >> markfrey(a)bright.net >> > > > Mark Frey

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The PC's Soviet?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

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1702 EPROM Source?

by mor＠crl.com

Jameco no longer carries these. Does anyone know of another source? -- mor(a)crl.com http://www.crl.com/~mor/

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OT: Star Trek - Isolinear Storage

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> > Subject: Is this possible? (Storage) (Off-topic?) > > Sorry, but this has been bugging me for quite some time. In Star Trek, they > use "Isolinear" based memory circuts to store information in both the short > and long term. So, from the looks of it, it's some kind of crystal, and can > transmit it's data very quickly, and with no moving parts, so I'm guessing > that it's similiar to today's RAM. Now, for the hard part: It can hold > entire encyclopedia's in tiny amounts. In one episiode, they had nanites, > little robot-bugs that could hold "gigabytes of information," and were > microscopic. Furthermore, in some episodes, they find Chodak and T'Kon > ruins, between 900,000 to 700,000 years old, with half or more of the data > intact. > Was crystaline storage ever attempted like this? Is it possible? > Feasable? A few years back I read a facinating article on holographic storage systems. Where the medium was a 'slide sized' wafer and was recorded and read holographically using a laser beam. Being holographic in nature the denisty was way more then magnetic disc or CD. That was the closest that I've read to Star Trek like storage. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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OT: Star Trek - Isolinear Storage

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>At 12:18 PM 4/12/98 -0700, you wrote: >>A few years back I read a facinating article on holographic storage systems. >>Where the medium was a 'slide sized' wafer and was recorded and read >>holographically using a laser beam. Being holographic in nature the denisty >>was way more then magnetic disc or CD. That was the closest that I've read to >>Star Trek like storage. > >There was a nice feature in Scientific American a few years back about >holographic storage. Early 1995 i believe, possible 96. I remember last summer, there was something in CNN about Berkley (or one of those California universities that you'd associate with computers/technology) Developing a blue laser. This could radically change everything, including DVD. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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OT: Star Trek - Isolinear Storage

by afritz＠iname.com

At 12:18 PM 4/12/98 -0700, you wrote: >A few years back I read a facinating article on holographic storage systems. >Where the medium was a 'slide sized' wafer and was recorded and read >holographically using a laser beam. Being holographic in nature the denisty >was way more then magnetic disc or CD. That was the closest that I've read to >Star Trek like storage. There was a nice feature in Scientific American a few years back about holographic storage. Early 1995 i believe, possible 96. Adam ( Adam Fritzler afritz(a)iname.com ) http://afritz.base.org/

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The PC's Soviet?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>>The soviets always had comparable technology, but were limited by >>inefficient manufacturing and logistics. Those only exposed to western >>design philosophy tend to belittle soviet engineers because of the >>seemingly crude appearance of their equipment, but they had to meet >>vastly different product requirements. Their export market was the >>underdeveloped third world, no infrastructure at all. When your target >>market is some place like Mongolia, Eritrea or South Yemen you have an >>entirely different set of design parameters. There is no Radio Shack >>down the corner, no parts store in town, no UPS delivery service. Even > >Why Radio Shack when you have BFI? I can just imagine a fried US >made cell phone flying into a third-world bonfire...that sure would >stink. Another reason why Russian products were build to last was, >very simply, because if you trash your phone, you'd have to get on >a two-month waiting list to get another one. See? That's my biggest complaint about the Soviets. They gave communism a bad name. The USSR, in my opinion, wasn't a true communism any more than Rome was a democracy after they had "dictators for life." Nice try, but a true communism would be the opposite. Everyone would have everything, if humans worked on an equal basis. That's why communisms don't work with people: They'res a few rotten apples in every barrell. Also, look at Soviet technology and people as a whole. Even though MiG's did use vaccum tubes, they were still considered a threat, when equipped with Soviet pilots. As for the technology, I'll say that it wasn't behind the US, but rather on a path that we didn't follow, and so it looked like they were behind us. BTW, I'm guessing that with a $20,000 A2 clone, the avreage Dmitri didn't get one in the USSR. Tim D. Hotze

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The PC's Soviet?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

> >Max Eskin wrote: > >> All right, I have taken this for a while, but no more. This ignorance >> about Soviet technology and abilities is ridiculous. I think you >> people have kept your anti-communist opinions along with you IBM >> 704s. > >My guess is that Max has a bit of Russian blood lines in him to get so >infuriated ;-] I was born in the USSR an came here 7 years ago >> Although the USSR certainly had ridiculous administration, and its >> technology was not very modern, there were many advances by the >> soviet union, and it now has just as much technology as the US. > >Becuase since the breakdown of the USSR they've imported shiploads. Prior to >this they were banned from technological advances openly available in the >free world, same as the restrictions on obtaining nuclear materials and bomb >technology. Well, nowadays, Windows 95 is almost as easy to get over there as weapons-grade plutonium ;) >> a LOT of modern programmers are Russian. Most Russian immigrants >> I know deal with computers. > >If any of us had to consider dealing with jail time for low grades we'd get >out act together too. Jail time? No. Loss of self-respsect? Yes. Nothing the government can do will get people to learn well. It is a good moral foundation that most schools here don't teach, and parents don't have time to. Sorry for the off-topic and anti-US stuff, folks. > >Max, I just can't hold this back....I have socks older than that! I hit >first grade the year JFK was shot. (please no offense, I get the same from >those that saw the depression - my parents) You can't judge the US's >capabilities by a public school inventory either - most have Apple II's in [ON TOPIC BELOW] I meant simply to share the only computer I ever saw in the USSR. There was a big sign on the wall that said "Turn the computers off before leaving!". That wasn't meant for us, but I didn't know that, and I once turned a terminal off. I came back next time, the terminal didn't. I guess it had volatile ROM or something. In general, I liked those terminals. They looked very, um, handmade. >went on. I've disarmed and unloaded stranded Soviet aircraft that were >forced to land in Iceland for mechanical problems prior to their repairs. >The Fixbat, Bear, etc have had panels opened by crews that were doing >repairs "for diplomatic reasons" while we unloaded their heavy steel >missiles and I've seen planes as late as 1985 with vacuum tubes and "solid >state tubes" in their electronics bays. We had a rectifier from a radio in a >captured Soviet tank that made our solid state items in 1970 look like >microprocessors. What's wrong with vacuum tubes? You're the ones collecting them :0 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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The PC's Soviet?

by peacock＠simconv.com

> Hotze wrote: > Yeah, that's why all the newest Soviet fighters and bombers > used vacuum tubes > even into the early 1990's. I'm sure they invented this and Not so fast, there are very good reasons to use tubes instead of solid state on certain types of military electronics. Look up "EMP" sometime. This was a deliberate design decision on the part of soviet avionics designers. They do have workable solid state devices. In fact, the later Sukhoi and MiG models had very sophisticated interlocking radars at the squadron level, a capability US forces do not have. Yes, overall the US made much better avionics and electronics in general, but when it was important enough the soviets could produce very good military equipment. Off topic, but I much prefer Russian assault rifles to US ones. I keep an AK47 at home, I would not trust an M16. I wouldn't care to run a business with a Russian built computer though... Jack Peacock

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The PC's Soviet?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<What's wrong with vacuum tubes? You're the ones collecting them :0 In their time it was the best technology. But the answer to the question is, too big, fragile, High power needs, lots of heat and they make lousy high speed switches (IE binary elements). As to EMP immunity, not much use if the memory is wiped and less help if the system is so slow and awkward that reboots are impractical. Vacuum tubes offer little help there. As far as I know the Soviet Russins had technology but they were limited in their ability to translate that to volume product. That combined with no production capability that wasn't allocated to the military was a mess. It wasn't for lack of bright people just a messed up system. Allison

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New Finds Last two days

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Starting Tuesday I have come across a few nice finds at very low prices, here is a small sample: Televideo model 910 terminal; NCR workstation C-256/89 no kb came with it; MicroNet ext HD; Apple tape Backup unit 40sc; Apple modem power supply M0174; LN03R Scriptprinter Operator guide; HP85; digital RX02 drive unit model RX02M-EA; Sun tape unit model 511; HP 9121 FD drive unit model D; HP 82901M; HP 1615A Logic Analyzer; HP 9920A unit; Fluke 2240B Datalogger; HP 9826; HP 86B;several old Mac KB's for model 128 and Plus; and several other items and manuals. The entire load set me back $26. Will get around to testing these items someday. Keep Computing John

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