> I was just wondering, how many computers do all you have out there???
Not so many, others do have far much more than I have.
My little collection:
PDP 11/24 with 2 RL02's, running RSX-11M 4.0, Ultrix-11
PDP 11/34a with 3 RL01's running RSX-11M 4.2, 4.4 and 4.5
PDT 11/150 running RT-11
Mac powerbook 170
HP model G40
VT100, VT520 terminal
Teletype ASR33
Sun Sparc5 (cannot be declared yet as 'classic')
Sun IPX (ditto)
Edward
Russ Blakeman:
> blindpete(a)stratos.net wrote:
>> I was talking to a few friends and we wore wondering what the earliest
>> versions of micro soft's dos and windows was.
>> The earlies version of windows I have herd of is windows 2.0, I also think
>> there was a windows whith out a version number.
>> The earlies version of dos I herd about was dos1.1 or some thing like that,
>> it has been a while so I'am a byt fogggy on it.
>> I am currious about the software because I wonder how well or pore it
>> worked whith speech.
> Dos 1.25 is the earliest version for general distributuion, previous versions
> were too buggy, same as DOS 2.0, the 2.11 was the distribution standard when
> double sided drives came out.
Nop. There have been at least 2 major public releases
other than 1.25. 1.0 and 1.1. 1.0 was the first public
release for the IBM PC and 1.1 added new disk types.
1.1 and 1.25 are almost identical - 1.1 was the IBM
version, 1.25 the OEM version.
If you're searching old versions (maybe prior to 1.25)
you should look for things like Z-DOS (Zenith), 86-DOS
(back licensed MS-DOS to Seatle Computer products),
SB-86 (Lifeboat Associates) or COMPAQ-DOS (guess who :).
Maybe a bunch of other names I don't recall right
now, since MS licenced it to any 8088/8086 computer
manufacturer available.
DOS 1.x was still machine dependant, since the BIOS had
to met the hardware. DOS 2.0 and up added new disk types
and loadabel device driver.
With 2.0 Microsoft tried to establish their own trademark
MS-DOS as OS and scraped all OEM licences or at least tried
to cut of the different names. After 2.0 only IBM kept the
private name of PC DOS.
Gruss
H.
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HRK
Thanks, this helps greatly!
Now to find parts...
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Yowza [mailto:yowza@yowza.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 8:56 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: C128 Service Manual
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>
> > >Anyone know where I can get one? I'm gonna try to fix a C128 that I
> > >bought and need one badly :)
> >
> > I can't remember the URL, but there is a web site in Europe
> that has most
> > of the old Commodore 8-bit manuals online.
>
> Hasn't anybody heard of bookmarks? :-)
> http://nic.funet.fi/pub/cbm/index.html
>
> -- Doug
>
D'oh!
I downloaded the schematics and am trying to figure out what's up with
this thing. Strange thing is the part marked Funt. ROM (U 36 I think) is
empty! I'm wondering if this is supposed to be the case.
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 7:46 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: C128 Service Manual
>
>
> >
> > Anyone know where I can get one? I'm gonna try to fix a C128 that I
> > bought and need one badly :)
>
> I beleive the commodore schematics are on an ftp site somewhere
> (ftp.funet.fi????). I have the C128 service manual but it's only the
> schematics and parts lists and doesn't contain any step-by-step
> diagnostics, alas.
>
> >
> > Tony
>
> -tony
>
My first chance to boast of:
California Computer Systems S-100
KayPro II
NorthStar Horizon w/ Televideo 912
NorthStar Advantage 8/16 (very dead)
VIC 20
Apple II+
Apple IIc
Apple IIe
IBM PC
IBM PC XT
IBM PC AT
IBM PC Jr.
Apple Lisa 2
Radio Shack CoCo
ProcTech SOL-20
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Well, the computer repair company I worked for used to do alot of LCD and
laptop repair. Alot of times the lines are either easy to fix problems w/
cables and little wire connectors, and other times they are just on their
way out ( i repaired servers and desktops so I never got to dabble :/ ) in
any case, a good place that does *VERY* reasonable LCD and laptop repair is
Matrix International, which i believe is www.matrixintl.com, or... I've
forgotten the phone #, but they are in Austin TX. they used to do flat rate
LCD repair for us for 125 a system.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 10:39 PM
Subject: LCD repair
>OK, hardware gurus, how about some remote diagnostic help: PowerBook 160
>(my first and only Mac), a bunch of black vertical lines of varying width
>on the LCD (different patterns on the two panels that make up the
>display), but otherwise the display looks good (all the bits in the right
>place).
>
>Video RAM? LCD controller? Cable problem on the laptop side? Cable
>problem on the LCD side? Bad LCD? Repair FAQ?
>
>I have a volt meter, a logic probe, a fear of high current, but I enjoy
>the occassional high voltage zap. What's my next move?
>
>-- Doug
>
Picked up at a yard sale today, in Framingham, Ma.
IBM P/S 2, Model 50Z
On-Site Computer Systems box... Unit seems to have two hard
disk drives, that, on the outside, remind me of the old RD54
(I think) that used to be in the old DEC PRO-350's, two LPT
ports, and one serial port. Also a 5 3/4" floppy drive...
Anyone ever heard of these people, or know anything about their
stuff?
3 Monitors, one NEC, one Samsung, and one Tandy.
A Citizen MSP-20 printer..
Cost of this "rescue" US 20$, and the people even helped
load it into my car..
Now to sort it all out, and see "what works, and what don't".
Will
< > What we now need is for some brave person (me, Allison???) to take a
< > number of old (and dead) drives, make a clean box, pull them apart,
< > document everything, and write a repair manual....
To date I've successfuly opened and fixed maxtor2190s and Micropolus 1325s
wit HDA difficulties. I've run a RD52 with the cover off as a demonstration
and I have somewhere a 16 year old st506 with a lexan topcover for viewing.
It all boils down to what was the failure and is it fixable. The latter
can be hard as platter assemblies and generally "glued and screwed" and
tend to be hard to get apart. Heads are small fine things easily broken.
If the media is scared it's a total as the metal will be everywhere and
some fo the metal like the head cantelever is steel so all that steel dust
is now in the magnet assembly for the positioner... Not impossible but
there is a certain amount of pick and choose in which one to fix.
Allison
< Well, I think that the default lack of floppy drive was a mistake, as
No it was still costly.
< was the lack of RAM. I'm not sure what year it is, but I believe 640K
< was standard by then. Also, I have the Getting Started manual for the
That would be a few years later.
< >Apart from the IR keyboard, which was a mistake ;-), it's basically a
< PC
< >without the DMA chip, but with better-than-CGA graphics. What's wrong
< >with it?
Since the average XT PC doesn't use DMA very intelligently anyway it was
not much loss.
Allison
It's called the "Rock City", by the Panda Project.
www.rockcity.net,
and www.pandaproject.com
pretty cool and reasonably cheap machine; they have a new Dec Alpha 533 box.
wireless keyboard, LCD display, etc.
sorry for the off topic reply :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 3:10 PM
Subject: fake NeXT
>I was peeking into the Popular Science at the supermarket yesterday, and
>I noticed a peculiar entry in "What's New": a computer shaped like a
>black cube, the size of a NeXT cube, but balanced on one corner with
>little feet supporting it. It's made of aluminum and is just a regular
>PC. Next to it, it had an LCD panel and keyboard. The case was much
>uglier than the NeXT, and I don't quite know the reason for making it a
>cube - it doesn't support four motherboards or anything! Just thought
>you people might be interested.
>
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Yeah, but I not a big fan of the MacOS; and since i can download a more
updated OS version, I figured i might as well give it a shot.
experimentation is the best part :)
From: Hans Franke <franke(a)sbs.de>
>On all 68LC040 Macs you just need to exchange it with
>an 68040 to get the MathCo. Just check the frequency.
>
>But using a 636 for NetBSD isn't a good idea - any
>486-PC will give the same or better performance - but
>while using Mac OS 8 the 63x are just fine machines.
Yeah, it runs pretty well w/ 52mb of ram, although i can think of better
places to put it....
>P.S.: don't forget the memory update - the 63x Macs
>can use 36 or 52 MB of Mem, depending on the mobo
>revision. If you have 1 SIMM slot, add a 32MB module,
>if there are two slots, use a 16 MB modul in the outhermost
>and a 32 in the innermost slot.
I have 8 CPUs:
A pentium-75
An Apple //c
A PS/2 Model 70
A Packard Bell 486SX
An Amiga 2000
A Macintosh Portable
An Apple ][+
A brother word processor which I consider a computer
What's a dual floppy unit? Never seen one...
>Commodore 64c, dual floppy unit, 1200baud modem
>At 02:19 PM 7/13/98 +1, you wrote:
>> I was just wondering, how many computers do all you have out there???
>>
>>Some
>>
>>Gruss
>>H.
>>
>>--
>>Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
>>HRK
>>
>
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either 1, 2 or 4 mb. These are special types that plug in and have the
card edge plug to one side. Direct email if you may have something.
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>Can anybody tell me anything about a machine called
>
>Laser 128, I have the opportunity to get and understand
>that it is very small with built in drive and may be somewhat
>like an Apple II.
It's an Apple IIc clone, and very similar to it. It has one Apple II
compatible slot on the left side. Laser was the only company which
actually made legal Apple II clones and withstood Apple's lawyers.
Tom Owad
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In a message dated 98-07-13 21:22:26 EDT, you write:
<< Can anybody tell me anything about a machine called
Laser 128, I have the opportunity to get and understand
that it is very small with built in drive and may be somewhat
like an Apple II. >>
this machine is essentially an apple //c compatible. the keyboard sucks, but
has the same function as a //c. the machine also has an expansion slot on the
left to which an apple card can plug into, although it was not designed for
it. i once ran a disk controller card in it without problems. make sure you
get the power supply. ive been told the //c ps was equivalent though. the
machine supposedly was 99% apple compatible which was true since i never could
connect to aol when they still supported apple. i had to borrow a friend's //c
to logon.
david
If I ever get the time, I want to do a custom paint job on my SE/30.
Remember the fighter planes of WW2 that had the mouth/teeth/eyes painted on
the nose? You get the picture... :)
At 11:47 AM 7/14/98 +1000, Huw Davies wrote:
>At 01:10 PM 12-07-98 -0700, Max Eskin wrote:
>>I was peeking into the Popular Science at the supermarket yesterday, and
>>I noticed a peculiar entry in "What's New": a computer shaped like a
>>black cube, the size of a NeXT cube, but balanced on one corner with
>>little feet supporting it.
>
>The Borg Cube PC :-)
>
>I'd like one as it would make a change from the boring standard PC looking
>boxes in my computer room (err, office).
>
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I was peeking into the Popular Science at the supermarket yesterday, and
I noticed a peculiar entry in "What's New": a computer shaped like a
black cube, the size of a NeXT cube, but balanced on one corner with
little feet supporting it. It's made of aluminum and is just a regular
PC. Next to it, it had an LCD panel and keyboard. The case was much
uglier than the NeXT, and I don't quite know the reason for making it a
cube - it doesn't support four motherboards or anything! Just thought
you people might be interested.
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I've posted this before but the list occupants change so I'll see if I
can find a home again for it. Everytime I go to rework it to a CGA/EGA
cable I think that there's someone out there with a crap mono monitor on
a PCjr that would love to have an original PCJr Color Display. It's in
great shape and I don't have a Jr and haven't messed with one since
college a thousand years ago.
If anyone might be interested in negociating a fair trade of cash or PC
items that I can use in other machines drop me a note. PC Enterprises is
one of the few sources that still has "refurbished" PCJr Color Displays
and they want an outrageous $189 or so for one. I'd like to slap anyone
that would pay that in this stage of the Jr's...
Contact me direct if interested.
BTW....If anyone may be intertested in the Visual 102 with keyboard for
FREE (you pay the shipping) it's now LAST CALL before I strip the
goodies out of it and send it to computer and terminal heaven. Contact
me soon.
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I have two box type units labeled as an HP9123D that appear to have two
3.5" type removable (floppy?) drives in each, with an HPIB bus connector
and a cable with a 5 pin DIN on the end. It also states that it's for
use only with the HP45849A. They're both complete and like new but I
have no equipment to test them with. I know HP stuff is expensive even
when used and these aren't all that old by their looks and styling so
they should make some HP owner very happy. I have no use for them but
yet I would hate to dismantle them or dump them.
Anyone know what these are exactly and would anyone be interested in the
wo of them, maybe a trade or something?
Email direct if interested in them.
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What's even neater is the fact that the dongle is nothing more than a
carved block of wood hollowed out. Inside buried in epoxy, is one diode
connected to two pins of the joystick port. Definitely cool. :)
At 08:57 PM 7/13/98 EDT, KFergason(a)aol.com wrote:
>
>The MSD drives were perhaps the first 1541 clones, though I am not
positive of
>that.
>They were not complete compatible, so copy protected software probably would
>not work.
>
>I didn't realize they required a dongle.
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Every so often, someone asks how many computers I have, and I always find
it hard to give a straight answer. It depends whether you count half a
dozen 68000 boards as 1 + spares, or 6 -- I only have two keyboards and one
PSU rigged up for them -- or none, since I haven't got the orignal case or
PSU. Or the PDP-11s; I have several spare CPUs and other boards, but only
a few cabinets.
This is roughly what's running/runnable:
Acorn Archimedes A440, serial no 614 + Arm3 processor a a lot of extras
Acorn Archimedes A310, serial no 2.
BBC Microcomputer Model B (about 2.5 of these)
BBC Microcomputer Model B-plus
Torch Z80 Card x 2
Acorn Z80
Acorn 6502
Acorn Electron
Acorn Atom
Apple ][+
Apple //e
Apple Mac Plus x 2
Sharp MZ80K
Atari MegaST
Exidy Sorcerer
Commodore PET 2001-8K
Commodore 128 (US version)
Commodore VIC-20
Amiga 500 (well, half of one, anyway)
homebrew Z8 SBC
Sinclair ZX81
Sinclair Spectrum
Sinclair Spectrum 48K
Sinclair QL (plus a dead one)
Sparcstation 1+
Silicon Graphics Indy R4600SC
XT-compatible
AT-compatible
486SX-25
486DX2-66
386sx-20 portable
286 Compaq LTE
11/23 x 2
11/03 x 2
11/34
11/24 (only the board set, though)
11/73 x 2
?PDP-11/83
microVax II
uMicro 2000 (a 68000 system and a lot of spare boards)
Sage II (another 68000)
Cambridge Z88
Psion Organiser
AgendA
and, of course, a whole lot of peripherals.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
The MSD drives were perhaps the first 1541 clones, though I am not positive of
that.
They were not complete compatible, so copy protected software probably would
not work.
I didn't realize they required a dongle.
Hmm, how many computers.
HP Pentium 300.
Sparc LX
486/33 clone
SWTPC 6800 systems (2)
RCA Cosmac VIP (3)
Commodore C128 (2)
Commodore C128D
Commodore 64 (a dozen or so)
Commodore +4 (2)
Commodore SuperPet
Commodore Vic 20
Timex Sinclair 1000
Atari 400 (2)
Atari 800
Atari 600xl
Atari 800xl
Atari 1040ST
Atari 2600
Apple 2e
Apple 2c
Apple 2gs
Macintosh +
Macintosh 512
TRS80 Model 3 (2)
TRS80 Model 4
TRS80 Model 4p
Tandy Coco 2
Tandy Coco 3
TI 99/4a (3)
Most work.
Kelly
In a message dated 7/13/98 9:16:24 AM Central Daylight Time,
higginbo(a)netpath.net writes:
> >What's a dual floppy unit? Never seen one...
> >>Commodore 64c, dual floppy unit, 1200baud modem
>
> Well, I can't tell you who made it, but it's a little tower with two 5.25"
> drives mounted vertically, and requires a dongle on one of the joystick
> ports to work. I haven't even cranked it up yet to compare the performance
> to the C 15xx series drives. I think the model number is MSD-2. The MSD-1
> was a single drive unit.
>
> I have all the docs and disks that came with it, so when I ever do get it
> cranked up, I'll post the specifics.
>
< Are file formats different between RSX-11M and RT-11? If I get one of the
< PDPs up and running I need to sort out the 40-50 disk packs that should b
< a mixture of RT and RSX.
Yes, but there are tools to got from rt to rsx, maybe the other way as
well.
< Will an RL01 pack be readable in an RL02 drive?
Yes.
Allison
