I have one of these boxes. It appears that IBM took another PC case off the
assembly line, stuck in a power supply and a passive backplane. There are
two interface cards, one for the PC and one for the expansion box, connected
by a very stiff cable -- don't recall what's on them but probably buffering
ICs and the like. The cable is about 3/4" in diameter. It terminates in
D-shell connectors but I don't recall the pin count (probably D50). The
stiffness of the cable borders on inflexible and mine pops-out of the metal
shell constantly.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:42 AM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: ISA Expansion Box
--- pmulry <paulm064(a)icqmail.com> wrote:
> i've never actually seen one of these. If somone has clear pics can they
> make them available for download. if not to complicated might be able to
> make one using an isa riser card that came with an old 486. do they
> connect to serial port or piggyback an isa slot?
They are a box with a passive ISA back plane and a pair of ISA cards
that are connected with a single round cable about as big around as
your thumb. The box itself is styled like an XT (down to the sloping
front).
-ethan
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Although the storage medium transferred to may have a shorter life, the
information itself may have a longer life. As the previous poster said, he
can store all his old 8-bit stuff in a tiny corner of his hard disk. That
can get stored to CD. Now write-able DVD has arrived, it can be copied to an
even smaller corner of a DVD. When the next, even more dense, medium
arrives, it may be copied to an increasingly smaller corner of that. As long
as this copying process occurs more often than the life-length of each
medium, there's no problem. Keeping a copy of each intervening storage media
gives you your backups too.
There is a danger of leaving the information on the original only, as
exemplified by the problems with the BBC's (UK) doomsday project
(http://www.si.umich.edu/CAMILEON/domesday/press.html), which fortunately
were solved. Even though it may be theoretically possible to resurrect the
data, it might be very difficult.
paul
-----Original Message-----
From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk]
Sent: 12 May 2003 20:53
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: VCFe Munich report
> Hans' presentation on storing vintage computer data as XML made me
> realise that the most important thing is to get everything preserved,
> and then work out what to do with it. I could store everything I've
> ever written on an 8-bit computer in a corner of my existing hard drive
> and not even notice it was there. I've got to dig out all those KCS
> cassettes, ASR33 printouts and even a few bits of paper tape and get
> them transferred.
I can assure you those paper tapes will still be readable long after your
hard disk had headcrashed!. Why do people insist on transfering reliable
storage media onto modern, unreliable stuff? It's the same with
photographs and cine films -- people transfer them to CDs and DVDs. The
originals have a much longer life...
-tony
I noticed back in March that numerous people had Intel Aboveboard expanded
memory cards for PC's which were offered on this list. I'm looking for at
least several of the Intel that would work in an 8 bit slot (XT class) and
several 16 bit ones that would work in a 286 or higher.
I've been on this list for several months now (and I hope this isn't poor
form) but I am looking for the following items as well:
WordPerfect 2x or 3x for DOS
Word for DOS 1x
Morrow MDT-20, ADM-20 or MDT-50 video serial terminal
IBM 5150 (case only)
IBM 5170 (case only, power supply optional)
Please contact me off the list.
Thank you.
On May 17, 0:32, Paul Booth wrote:
> Anyone got one of these beasties? I picked it up last year or the
year
> before, in one of those daft runaway auctions, obviously ending up
paying
> way more than it was worth.
>
> Unfortunately there was no OS with it, so it's currently a small,
oblong
> shaped doorstop. Can anyone help me?
I have a Sage-II, and I have UCSD p-System disks for it (one configured
for an ANSI terminal, one for a VT52). They're DS DD 80-track disks
(1280 blocks). I don't think I have any other software for it, though.
Mail me off-list and I can arrange to make a copy and post it.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
> TeoZ asks:
> > When does a hobby turn into an obsesion or compulsion?
>
> Taken from Christine Reilly, Institute for Research on Pathological
> Gambling, Harvard Medical School http://www.hms.harvard.edu/doa
> (As per NPR, abbreviated)
>
> Symptoms of addiction
> o Crave it. Obsessive thinking about the activity.
> o Continued involvement despite adverse consequences
> o Increasing levels to get the same satisfaction
>
> Relating an experience I had for 24 hours once with
> painkillers for a broken leg I would add:
>
> o Gradual replacing of satisfaction with irritability.
>
> Good source material for the subject:
> the book "Terminal Man". No joke.
>
> John A.
The question is, how many people have taken the time to consider how
unhealthy the Classic Computer hobby actually is. Personally I have serious
admiration for people like Jeffrey Sharp who just get out of it.
While I've managed to limit the "Classic Computer habit" to basically DEC
gear, I still have a massive pile of 8-bit Micro's and other non-DEC Junk.
All told, I've got about 1 1/2 10x10 storage units full of computer junk.
Overall, I really need to start figuring out how to unload most of it. At
times I wonder if the smartest thing to do wouldn't be to simply call in a
Scrapper I know. The problem is, I'd really like to recover some of the
money that I've sunk into the Hobby.
BTW, if anyone in the vicinity of Portland, Oregon is looking for stuff, let
me know. I'm to the point where I'd like to get rid of most all of the
non-DEC stuff that I've got.
Zane
Ditto,
I'll be moving into my new house on 30 acres in three weeks. Not only do I
get the whole basement, I'm putting up a large building later this fall. I
have been married for 23 years and my wife has put up with this stuff for
probably half of it. She thinks I'm a little looney collecting this stuff but
she finds humor in all of it. She really has no interest in technology but she
does find the historical significance interesting at times. She is a total
American history buff. Too much of anything will burn you out. That's when you
put it away for a while and do something else. I do know one thing for sure.
Jeffrey will regret getting rid of this stuff some day. Absence makes the
heart grow fonder.
>This is really weird, since I'm also moving in two weeks. We are
>leasing a 160 year old farm house on 5 acres. The place has a gigantic
>attic and a barn so I wont have to make my computer room double as a
>storage area.
Brian Roth
Network Administrator
A+ N+ CNA CCNA
Network Services
First Niagara Bank
(716) 625-7500 X2186
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>What is a BBS?
Yikes. My first reaction was this must be a joke. Someone on this list
doesn't know what a BBS is.
But then I realized, this is a list for classic computers, with the
definition of classic being older than 10 years. By 1993 the internet was
on a solid growth, and BBSs were already hard to find.
Kind of scary that some of the people that might just be getting into
this "lifestyle" (now that we have determined it is a lifestyle) honestly
may not know what a BBS is. Nor might they know anything about much that
predates the existance of Windows and the Mac OS.
Hopefully, we can welcome the new people, and educate them to what they
have missed out on... while keeping the list from degrading into a
glorified Windows 95 tech support forum.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
The other day I picked up the following items:
IBM Powerstation 560 type 7013
IBM Powerserver 590 type 7013
IBM Powerstation 560F type 7013
None of them have been tested yet.
Hello, I know this may be a long shot but I figured I'd try it anyway.
I figure there is a good chance that someone on the list may know an
old friend of mine, Christopher Willis. I met Chris and his wife Pat
(Patricia) on a BBS in southern Ohio. Chris's impressive collection of
computers included an Altair 8800B with a Winchester hard disk, two 8
inch drives, and a Televideo 912c terminal. When Chris joined the navy
(I believe this was 1996, though it may have been earlier.. hmm.. maybe
94?) He left the Altair system with me which went into storage at my
parents house when I left for college, where It still lives (I'm
getting ready to recover it and set it up in my new house soon)
Other computers in his collection ranged from 8080/z80 boards to
various oddball multiuser mini's. At one point (years before I knew
him), I know that he had a collection housed in a warehouse (Many of
which he ended up losing eventually). Among others, this collection
included a UNIVAC. [see why I think someone on the list might know him?]
Over the years, I lost contact with Chris and would love to get ahold
of him and Pat again. If out there could help me track him down it
would be greatly appreciated.
Peter Turnbull wrote:
.
> 1 x HSD10-AA DSSI-SCSI controller (what does this do, exactly?)
Jochen Kunz responded:
.
> Sounds like a very nifty device that can turn a (bunch of) SCSI
> disk(s) into a (bunch of) DSSI disk(s).
I received the following bundle last week:
BA356-KC StorageWorks box/shelf
BA35X-MG 8-bit SCSI interface (dual uDB50's)
HSD05-AA DSSI/SCSI adapter
Indeed, this is expected to allow me to use some nice SCSI SBBs
>from the DSSI bus in the VAX 3400 in the basement. First though,
I've got to scare up a DSSI cable and terminator...
So far as I can tell the HSD05 will not do the RAID tricks that
an HSD10 is capable of. No idea then what an HSD30 can do - maybe
just faster version of HSD10?
--S.
What Companies in Australia sell 2114 RAMs? Can anyone out there help?
Joshua Beraro
Principal Technical Officer
Applied Physics Department
PNG University of Technology
Papua New Guinea
On May 9, 9:53, Witchy wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On
> > Behalf Of Peter Turnbull
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 23:58
> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> > Subject: Re: MINC-11
> >
> > If anyone in the UK wants a MINC-11, I know where there is one,
> I haven't any more room either.....whereabouts in Scotland is it?
Edinburgh.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Yes, oddly enough, it at one point was sitting in the power parallel dept
running calculations for various things while the deep blue was being
built. I remember my father's manager complaining about IBM insisting that
their subcontractor department had to use it and were not allowed to
replace it. The just put in for a replacement of a "failed server" that sat
there running fine and IBM plopped in another $150k server next to it
without realizing it. Though, the S/360/30 was still used. Nowadays, from
what I last heard from a guy at IBM Poughkeepsie, NY, the S/360/30 in
question is being used to process and develop information on some of IBM's
older but still used machines (such as software/firmware development and
revisions, etc.). I've also heard htat a similar unit was being used by KLA
Temcor (sp?) in robotics development and control. They seem to like coming
to my company's shop and picking up serial and SCSI cabling for the robotic
units to interface them with the controlling machines while they are being
developed. Cheaper than continuously banging out proto-boards every time
you'd like to make a change to the function or design or when you need to
make a revision.
-John
At 12:50 AM 5/11/2003, you wrote:
>On Sat, 10 May 2003, TeoZ wrote:
>
> > The oldest computer still in use has to be a government non military
> > server somewhere. The military gets too much cash not to swap their
> > equipment out every decade at the latest so I rule them out. Other
> > branches only upgrade after every user who knows how to run the system
> > is dead/retired. Probably some computer setup for the social security
> > database, or liscense plate server or other mundane task.
> >
> > Besides im shure there are tons of Sinclair's running chemical plant
> > controllers in the Ukraine somewhere that are at least older then the
> > C64.
> >
> > What about the computer sent out in the Voyager spacecraft in the 70's?
> > Or is this just personal computers?
>
>IBM East Fishkill still very much has Series/1's in full operation. I
>think there's also an S/360/30 doing something.
>
>Peace... Sridhar
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Similarly, there are also sound cards now where the DSP is accessible. The
first sound cards that came out with DSPs on weren't
downloadable/programmable, but later ones were. $75 is a great price for an
experimental platform!
The good thing about the Atari Falcon at the time (a long time before DSPs
appeared on sound cards and before softmodems existed) was that there was a
public domain assembler for the MC56001, plus, thanks to Motorola's
commendable policy of selling silicon but giving away supporting software
(to a certain extent anyway), there was a huge library of public domain
libraries for the 56K DSP series.
There was also a commercial assembler/debugger for the MC56001 which was
only about £60. That allowed all the standard debugger facilities - single
stepping, register & memory view, breakpoints etc.
It just goes to show that technically good products never sell themselves.
The Atari Falcon was a dual-processor (MC68030 + MC56001) GUI-based machine
which had available a pre-emptive multitasking operating system (MiNT),
built in SCSI port & MIDI, 50kHz-sampling stereo 16 bit ADC/DACs, at a time
when PCs were twice the price with no sound card, no SCSI, and had just got
Windows 3.1...The Falcon flopped!
paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com]
Sent: 12 May 2003 18:03
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: ST Falcon Goes high on eBay
>From: "Hills, Paul" <Paul.HILLS(a)landisgyr.com>
>
>That's a lot - it's not really a vintage machine, nor a particularly rare
>one. I still use mine as a MC56000 Digital Signal Processing (DSP) testbed.
>At the time, the £500 I paid for it was a quarter of what I would have had
>to pay to get a DSP experimentation card for a PC, and since I didn't have
a
>PC at the time it was a bargain.
>
>In addition to that, I wrote a series of articles about DSP for the ST
>Format magazine in the UK, for which they paid me £500, recompensing the
>computer's cost! Ha!
>
>paul
>
Hi
For my DSP experiments, I got one of those "SoftModems".
It had a A/D-D/A, ADSP2100 Analog Devices DSP and RAM to load
the programs into. It only cost me $75 when new.
Dwight
I'll take a stab... I believe it stands for: radiothermal generator (i.e. a
big load of strontium-90, or sometimes a plutonium isotope for longer life,
in an insulated and shielded container with a large number of
thermocouples). Reliable electrical power as long as the decay heat
continues...
-Charles
On another list I am on, we were discussing why DOS is still used today
(basic answer, because its working just fine, so why upgrade).
The following questions were posed that I don't know the answer to, but
someone here might.
1: What is the oldest computer or comptuer system still in normal
operational use
2: What is the oldest that is connected to the internet
3: What is the oldest connected to the internet AND hosting web pages
that can be visited (I know of an Atari that is acting as a web server,
don't remember the URL, but it shouldn't be tough to find... didn't know
if there was something older)
Figured this is the right place to get these questions answered.
I have had some luck in the past with hair spray. Hair spray removes the
marker then regular cleansers can remove the hair spray. Test it first
on something disposable.
--
Wayne Talbot <awt(a)io.com>
I know this might be a long shot.. but anyways... Does anyone have any
idea where I might buy, borrow, beg , etc ... Adobe Premiere ver 4.2
(was there any other version?) for the Silicon Graphics IRIX platform???
For that matter.. anyone even touch this or use it??? I have it for
the PC, and the Mac on which I do video production, but recently have
been bitten by the SGI bug would like to run same on my Irix system.
Thanks for any info/leads...
David Barnes
--
David Barnes
davebarnes(a)adelphia.net
OpenVMS , Tru64, Netbsd, Linux guru
and collector of DEC equipment
I've put a pair of RD54's up for bid on E-pay. Last time I looked, they were hovering around $20.00 for the pair. Auction ends next Friday.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=167&item=2730509191
Also, for those of you who may have a Data I/O 2900 series programmer, I came across some software kits for it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1504&item=2531783464
Thanks for putting up with my occasional shameless plug. ;-)
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Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
"I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior
to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)
I have a copy of the MPI 91/92, 101/102 Flexible Disk Drive Product
Manual (including service information, schematics etc.) that is
available for P&P only.
If there are no takers then it goes into the recycling box...
Dave.
On May 17, 8:42, Dave Woodman wrote:
> I have a copy of the MPI 91/92, 101/102 Flexible Disk Drive Product
> Manual (including service information, schematics etc.) that is
> available for P&P only.
>
> If there are no takers then it goes into the recycling box...
I'll take it "for the shelf" if no-one else wants it for a drive
they've got. You can never have to many service manuals :-)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Gee I wish someone had informed me that the mullet was out, next you will
be telling me that my cuffed corduroys, platform shoes and double-knit
shirts are no longer the pinnacle of fashion.
Rich
>From: "Thompson Family" <mthomps5(a)columbus.rr.com>
>False shock and sentimentality went the way of the mullet. Just ignore
me if
>you don't like me.
