On Jun 6, 0:40, Tony Duell wrote:
> > Last time I saw a DX11, it was a whole rack, not just one card. I
>
> Yes. 8 rows of flip-chip cards (almost all slots used) + a PSU, a
lights
> panel, and a power interlock IIRC.
>
> > think I know where to find something to connect it to, though :-)
>
> Which, presumably, is even bigger than my 11/45 system :-)
A bit :-) The pile of cables is probably bigger than your 11/45. It's
an IBM belonging to Jim Austin, who lives not far from me:
http://www.austinfs.fsnet.co.uk/
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Does anyone have a couple (2) of the AMP 10 pin connectors (with unused pins)
used with the DLV-11J 4 port serial I/O boards or know where I could purchase
them?
What I actually need is a RS232 cable DB25 to AMP 10 ?, but I am willing to
make the DB25 part myself, something I've done zillions of times.
I am currently working on bringing up my "new" PDP-11/23 that I recently
picked up. This chassis, once verified OK, will be used as a test bed to check
out the bunch of QBUS boards I have, including CPU's, memory, and some I/O,
mostly serial. Eventually I hope to bring up a 11/53 like the one Jonathan
Engdhal built.
Thanks in advance!
Stuart Johnson
On Jun 5, 21:45, Tony Duell wrote:
> I got a boatload of comms cards in a clearout. DUP11s, DMC11s,
DMR11s, a
> KMC11, etc. Even a couple of DX11s (not, that's not a typo for RX11).
> Pity I've not nothing to connect the latter to.
Last time I saw a DX11, it was a whole rack, not just one card. I
think I know where to find something to connect it to, though :-)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
This might be of interest to someone here...
Jim
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [swap] WTB: Technical/Scientific Mac Hardware + Software
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:39:44 -0400
From: "Tom Bannon" <bannonth(a)egr.msu.edu>
To: "LEM Swap List" <lem-swap(a)mail.maclaunch.com>
LEM-Swap is for buying & selling Mac stuff. It is not a discussion list.
See the FAQ for guidelines on
postings, feedback, and dispute resolution.
--------------------
To those of you that come across box lots of software or unusual
hardware:
I'm for older versions of scientific analysis, data logging, image
analysis software that runs on biege Powermacs or even 68ks. Hardware
interfaces that control scientific instruments are also of interest.
Things that are biotech related would me most useful, but if you've
bought box lots of software or hardware and think something might be
laboratory related drop me a line.
Its great to put older Macs to work in the lab even if the
software/instrument isn't state of the art.
Tom Bannon
48917
On Jun 5, 22:41, Peter Turnbull wrote:
> On Jun 5, 17:31, vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
> >
> > And what do you do if you want to use a QQQQ-only processor in a
QQCD
> > backplane? Put it in the QQQQ-end?
>
> I've never heard of a QQQQ-only processor. Do you have one in mind?
OK, so I've just thought of one that might be. An early 11/03
quad-height M7264 was meant for a Q-Q H9270 backplane and presumably
that's what Sridhar is thinking of. However, I don't think it's what
he calls a QQQQ-only processor.
I'd have to look at the print set or a board to be sure, but IIRC the
M7264 actually has Q-Bus on its A&B slots, so it would be OK in a Q-CD
backplane, so long as the module underneath it didn't use the upper
contacts on its own C&D slots (C and D aren't bussed; the lower
contacts on C&D are only connected to the upper contacts of the slot
below).
However, just before I hit "send", Sridhar told me what he *was*
thinking of:
> Yeah. DECsystem 5500. (MIPSFAIR-2) Chuch McManis told me it's
> QQQQ-only. It normally fits into a BA430 which is a BA440 with no
> PELE stuff in it. It uses out-of-band signaling (on ribbon cables)
> for RAM.
The short answer is "I don't know". FWIW, here are my thoughts. I
would be amazed if it put any signal(s) on the relevant pin(s) on
*both* the A&B and C&D slots (because that would lead to multiple
signal paths). I'd be rather surprised if it put some on A&B and some
on C&D, but if it did, or if it put QBus signals on C&D, it would
definitely have to go in the first Q-Q row. Or maybe the second,
something I saw about it suggests an I/O module is supposed to go in
front of it, and then the argument applies to the I/O module, really.
However, the logical way to build such a board would be with the QBus
signals on A&B, like I believe the M7264 does -- unless the bus length
is critical, and it needs the shortest path between the first and
second rows, which is the C&D slots. But would it physically fit any
other backplane than its own? Don't those new-fangled things have
different handles to anything that fits a Q-CD backplane?
Chuck?
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Hi Bryan
That is OK, as it turns out, he had a 50Hz motor
anyway to match his line. He seems to have moved on
to other more serious problems.
Dwight
>From: "Bryan Blackburn" <oldcomp(a)cox.net>
>
>Okay... That's what I get for not reading the original post!
>
>-Bryan
>
>Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
>
>>Hi
>> The right idea, wrong direction. I would think that a
>>60Hz inverter would work fine. You could get one of those
>>automatic leveling battery chargers, a small gelcel and
>>a 60Hz inverter.
>>Dwight
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Bryan Blackburn" <oldcomp(a)cox.net>
>>>
>>>Wouldn't it be so much easier to make a power inverter to run at 50 Hz
>>>and save all the time and expense of finding gears & etc. & etc.?? I
>>>have a power inverter that would be a simple cap change (two of them) to
>>>run 50 Hz. Output power is about 250 Watts now, maybe 175-200 at 50 Hz
>>>(or would it be more?)? How much power does a 33 take? Discuss...
>>>
>>>-Bryan
Hi Matt
I don't have a GP-6 or GP-10. I do have a EC-1. I would
suspect that you could do the bouncing ball simulation
with the GP-10 ( I assume that means it has 10 op-amps ).
The things you need besides capacitors and resistors
is a couple of diodes for the nonlinear things ( like
the ball bounce on the ground ) and sine/cosine source.
The computer needs reset relays to set initial values
for the integrators and pots to generate the constants.
The HeathKit has you make an external sine/cosine source,
using 60Hz from the wall. This typically doesn't do
vary good with the noise that most modern equipment
has, since they make the 90 shift with a highpass.
The original Heathkit example used 9 op-amps but I
came up with a way to do it with only 8. This leaves
two to make a sine/cosine oscillator. I'll have to dig
up the schematic that I put someplace. You can live
without the sine/cosine, since it is just to make the
ball round.
To display, you need an oscilloscope or a X-Y plotter.
As for setting the unit up, I suspect there is a
balance adjustment for each op-amp. For my tube machine,
I found that I had to balance the integrators for
zero drift instead of zero voltage offset. I suspect
that this is because input current offset and input
voltage offset are not the same thing.
Dwight
>From: "Matthew Wadham-Gagnon" <mwadha(a)po-box.mcgill.ca>
>
>Hi Dwight,
>
>I've been looking for examples/labs that would take me through the correct
>procedure to setup/operate a GP-10 analog computer. I found your email in a
>discussion about the GP-6 along with links to two labs on how to use it. They
>seem pretty good except for a few details that probably apply specifically to
>the GP-6.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Matt
>
>Matthew Wadham-Gagnon
>McGill University, Montreal
>Mechanical Engineering, Honours
Hi
The right idea, wrong direction. I would think that a
60Hz inverter would work fine. You could get one of those
automatic leveling battery chargers, a small gelcel and
a 60Hz inverter.
Dwight
>From: "Bryan Blackburn" <oldcomp(a)cox.net>
>
>Wouldn't it be so much easier to make a power inverter to run at 50 Hz
>and save all the time and expense of finding gears & etc. & etc.?? I
>have a power inverter that would be a simple cap change (two of them) to
>run 50 Hz. Output power is about 250 Watts now, maybe 175-200 at 50 Hz
>(or would it be more?)? How much power does a 33 take? Discuss...
>
>-Bryan
>
>Tony Duell wrote:
>
>>>Hi
>>> One could buy a new pulley and add some additional capacitance
>>>
>>>
>>
>>IIRC, the coupling between the motor and the rest of the mechnism
>>consists of a pair of helically-cut gears on the end of the motor (one on
>>the motor spindle, the other on a separate spindle). The driven gear is
>>moulded integrally with a sprocket for a toothed belt that goes to a
>>larger sprovket on the transmitter shaft.
>>
>>The gears are almost certainly custom parts and would not be easy to get
>>now (unless you know of a souce of Model 33 parts...). Making them would
>>also be non-trivial, I think, at least in most home workshops.
>>
>>
><snip>
On Jun 5, 17:31, vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
>
> And what do you do if you want to use a QQQQ-only processor in a QQCD
> backplane? Put it in the QQQQ-end?
I've never heard of a QQQQ-only processor. Do you have one in mind?
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Hello people. Is there any way to tell if a backplane is QQQQ or QQCD by
looking at it, and without having to pull the backplane out of the
chassis? What if I can find the model number of the chassis?
Peace... Sridhar
>> I came across a whole boxful of Apple II cards at the weekend that I'd
>> forgotten I actually owned.
>
> Things get buried way to easily in this "Hobby",
yes they do - I've been moving around too much the last few years so pretty
much everything's been in storage. Hopefully all of my Sinclair and Acorn stuff
should be going on loan to a local technology museum at some point for display
- I hate the way everything's shut away in a room at the moment (er, actually
rooms, loft and with the bigger stuff in the garage :-)
> I was never really much of an apple user, came by my collection by
> fluike and just kept adding to it.
nor me. I was given an Apple /// with a couple of ProFile hard drives a few
years back and it started from there - I'm not sure what strange cards are
lurking in the machines themselves at present.
If anyone comes up with anything interesting on these boards I'll let you know;
I've posted the same questions to comp.sys.apple2 but I'm not sure how active
the group is these days.
As far as the Z80 card goes a quick search of the 'net revealed a lot of 'Z80
card' boards but not 'Z80 card II' boards. I have no idea if the different name
is significant or not yet :)
cheers
Jules
> Is that Mitac computer an Apple II clone?
I hope to find out in the next few days :-} I believe I was given it about 6-7
years ago and it's been on the list of things to look at someday ever since!!
It was next to the box of cards in the room where most of my comps are stored,
so I fished it out with the hope of trying to see if it works sometime over the
next few days.
It almost certainly appears to be a Japanese Apple 2 clone though, with
built-in disk interface, 80-column output, RF output (unsure whether that's
NTSC or PAL or even something else yet), joystick interfaces etc. all on two
boards within the machine - there's even a Z80 CPU in there but I'm not sure if
it behaves like a 'proper' CP/M card or if it's just there to control some of
the machine's hardware. Pretty loaded-up little beast anyway.
I've got both 120V and 220V power supplies for it; why someone would have had
both I'm not sure but there you go. I've also got two of the units that connect
to the expansion socket at the back of the machine and provide standard
(assuming it is a clone!) A2 bus connectors - again I have no idea why I have
two, not like I can use more than one at once anyway!
My Apple 2 disk drives and any kind of suitable monitor are all too far buried
at the moment for me to get at them, but I'll check the machine over for
obvious probs before trying to hook it up to my TV sometime in the next few
days.
I couldn't find any information on the machine on the 'net, but then I suppose
in the Apple 2's heyday there were an awful lot of clone machines around.
cheers
Jules
It might be that the DE-9's don't have a standard PC serial pinout. At work, we have a UPS that uses a DE-9 for programming, but the pinout on the cable (a 940-0024C; Googling produces a number of hits) is
Female Male
1-4
2------------2
3------------1
5------------6
6 NC
7-8
9 NC
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Brown [mailto:tractorb@ihug.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:15 AM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Systems Enhancement Corporation Power Administrator 800
Maybe you drive it over the Ethernet port- I saw one of those devices a
couple of days back that had 8 or 10 power outlets, the DIP switch and a
single Ethernet port. Nothing else. Going to try and score it too, but
'he-who-has-it' is still considering if he really wants it!
DaveB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff" <geoff(a)hasker.net>
To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:38 AM
Subject: Systems Enhancement Corporation Power Administrator 800
> I have come across what seems to be a remote outlet/power sequencer device
> from the Systems Enhancement Corporation called the Power Administrator
800.
> On the rear it has two DB-9 male ports, which I assume can be used to
program
> this device.
<snip>
This is OT but it's too good not to pass on. I'm sure that everyone on
the list can appreciate it.
Joe
>
>Subject: THIS IS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
>Let's see if I understand how the world works lately...
> If a man cuts his finger off while slicing salami at work,
> he blames the restaurant.
> If you smoke three packs a day for 40 years and die of
> lung cancer, your family blames the tobacco company.
>
> If your neighbor crashes into a tree while driving home
> drunk, he blames the bartender.
>
> If your grandchildren are brats without manners,
>
> you blame television.
>
>
> If your friend is shot by a deranged madman, you blame
> the gun manufacturer.
>
>
>
> And if a crazed person breaks into the cockpit and tries
> to kill the pilot at 35,000 feet, and the passengers
> kill him instead, the mother of the deceased
> blames the airline.
> I must have lived too long to understand the world as it
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>parked in front of this computer, I want you to blame
>Bill Gates...okay?
>
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>> Sellam indicated that he thinks the modulator came with all IIc's, but I
>> have to question... Why? The IIc already has a composite video out, so
>> why also ship with the modulator.
>
>To make it easier to hook into a television. Trust me on this one.
Never mind... I think I just realized it. I took another look at the
units and realized I was mistaken as to which one had the Channel 3/4
selector switch. I thought Apple included it into the "Switch Box",
leaving the "Modulator" to be completely redundant with the composite
output that the IIc already has built in.
In fact, I was mistaken, the 3/4 switch is on the "Modulator", which
means it isn't a composite output but rather a RF output using an RCA
connector (as might be expected to plug into the Switch Box).
Realizing my mistake on which carried that ability, I now fully
understand why Apple included it since it in fact is NOT the same output
as already on the IIc.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
There is a nice set of H960 racks up on eBay, about to close in the next
hour or so:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3417760448&category=11831
No, I don't have anything to do with this except that I hate to think what
will happen to them if no one picks them up. I would love to have them, but
NJ isn't in my neck of the woods. If someone was willing to pick them up
for me and store them until I could drive out, that would be great!
These cabinets don't become available very often and this set appears to have
the side panels, which can be hard to find all by themselves.
--tom
If nobody's mentioned these:
#1: Check the power supply voltages. Filter capacitors tend to dry out and
voltage regulator transistors tend to fail. If the voltages are more than 5%
off I'd do some serious power supply investigation. If the output voltages
are low, don't try boosting them up by turning up the adjustment knob!
There's probably something more seriously wrong. Turning up the knob is going
to just pass thru more ripple or unregulated voltage.
>No, I don't have anything to do with this except that I hate to think what
>will happen to them if no one picks them up. I would love to have them, but
>NJ isn't in my neck of the woods. If someone was willing to pick them up
>for me and store them until I could drive out, that would be great!
These are actually just about next door to me. However, I don't have much
in the way of storage space left. When would you be looking at picking
them up?
I'm also curious if I know the seller. I have a friend who's company (in
Mahwah) just merged with another and has been unloading a ton of PC
equipment (mostly free). Of course, that doesn't mean much, as Mahwah
where these are, is home to a number of large industrial campuses and
they could be from any one of them.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Marlene MacCorkle has a TI-99/4a in the box that she'd like to sell.
She's not asking much. Send your offer to her directly.
Reply-to: <marlene_f_maccorkle(a)yahoo.com>
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>Hi Peter,
Hi Joe,
{sorry if this is a little muddled - I just got off a 10 hour flight...}
> I picked up a pile (8 of them IIRC) of these things recently.
I've acquired two of them too. One without keyboard or any other
accessories, the other with keybaord and three rather inportant cables...
The first cable is phono to phono, about 6 inches long and connects the rear
panel HP 9000 audio connector to the audio input on the HP 332 chassis.
The second is a 6 inch HPIL to HPIL connector that jumpers the HP 9000 card
keybaord input to an HPIL socket in the rear panel that just connects
through to a front panel HPIL for the front panel hinged keybaord.
The third cable connects the phono video out from the HP 9000 card to the
'VGA' connector on the rear panel (3 row connector 15 pins). Only four of
the pins in the 'VGA' connector are used. I haven't buzzed it through but
the pins used are 1, 5, 11 and 15 only. HP part number is A1300-60036
Without the video jumper cable in place then the display will only show
retrace lines when the brightness is turned right up - so it can be mistaken
for not working.
>They had
>been surplused by a large company and the integrated keyboards were
>missing. So the surplus company that got them threw them out. BUT the KB
>cable runs through the machine then out the back and then plugs back into a
>standard HP-HIL keyboard port. So I'm thinking that I can use a standard
>HP-HIL keyboard.
Absolutely - I have done htis and it works fine. With the correct cable you
can also drive the monochrome display from another computer system
>I've tried one of the machines and I can't get a display
>on it. I haven't had time to check further and I haven't checke dhte
>others.
See my comments above - if you see retrace lines whenq the brightmess is
turned up then it is probably working OK.
>I'm pretty certain that these have an internal hard drive. sorry no
>advice on how to use the touch screen.
If you had a spare hard drive thenI'd be interested. I'm currently booting
my systems off an external harddrive.
>Do you know if an external display can be connected to these? This one
>appears to be running but nothing is displayed on the screen. I think it
>may have a bad screen.
See my previous comments
I'll have a play with the touch screenand see if I can come up with
something.
Cheers
Peter Brown
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Hey!
We have two main problems:
1) The RUN button
The RUN button crashes the CPU. So does a RUN invoked by the end of
Paper-Tape End-Of-Tape.
When I stop the CP and CONTINUE, the processor just goes between FETCH and
EXECUTE states on one single instruction.
I made a 9-step JMP program, which I toggled in. I EXAMINEd 0 and
CONTINUEd from 1 which contained a JMP to 0 which jumped to 7, and from
there it went to 70, 700, 707, 770, 777, to 0.
By holding the CONTINUE button, it ran at least 1000 cycles at max speed.
2) IOT Instructions (Input-Output Transfer)
Just plain don't work.
When I READ-IN a Paper-Tape, The Memory Address increments, starting when
the data does. During this process, Memory Buffer = MA.
When the EOT is reached on the Paper-Tape Reader, RUN is invoked (Which
crashes the CP, see section 1)
These are sure signs of communication going on between the CP and the PTR.
Unless, the EOT has some sort of more direct connection.
Not even the Status lights illuminate. They seem to be wired into the IO
rack (which makes sense as most of what it monitors is I/O equipment..
TTY, PTR, PT-Punch etc.
Any help from any DECies greatly appreciated! I have many spares, and if I
don't have the spare in question, I know many who do.
Regards
Tore S Bekkedal
toresbe(a)ifi.uio.no
+47 91 85 95 08 <GMT+1!
The motor is 50Hz. Yes, you'd think the motor would be 235v, but it seems
not.
The 235-115v converter makes the stand go "DONG" when you plug it in and
makes a loud 50Hz hum.
Who needs a beatbox? Plug the TTY in, put scotch tape on the BREAK key and
you have a 600 BPM drummer ;)
Hi Dwight,
I've been looking for examples/labs that would take me through the correct
procedure to setup/operate a GP-10 analog computer. I found your email in a
discussion about the GP-6 along with links to two labs on how to use it. They
seem pretty good except for a few details that probably apply specifically to
the GP-6.
Thanks,
Matt
Matthew Wadham-Gagnon
McGill University, Montreal
Mechanical Engineering, Honours
I saw that in December of 2002 you had all four Xerox System Disks
for the 630 Memorywriter. Do you still have same? How much?
Bill Morton
5412 South Glendora
Spokane, WA 99223