Thanks to those here and on comp.os.cpm who have responded publically and
privately with some ideas I had not considered before. I know there is at
least one ebay selling service in Tucson, a solution I hadn't thought of. I
wouldn't mind spending the time describing items correctly if that's how I
go. I would be hoping that they have the space to take it so I could get it
organized for them. I will also get in touch with Sellam. I have been to a
few users group meetings here in Tucson but have never met anyone suffering
>from the classiccmp disease - perhaps a few weeks worth of notices on
Craig's List might scare one or two out of the woodwork.
To those who have responded with wish-lists: the biggest problem in my
current situation is that too many boxes are labeled "Old computer stuff" or
even those that are labeled '8" disks' are in X different boxes in Y
different places, usually with boxes in front and on top of them! If I
could easily retrieve specific items I would rather they go to people on the
lists who appreciate them. Alas, when I packed them away I fantasized that
I would have sufficient room to organize everything properly - the reality
is that I don't. If I go through an ebay service I might be able to pull
some stuff that people have mentioned.
I was surprised (thrilled?) to hear that at least one person thought
$15-$25k was a reasonable ebay estimate. Frankly that about twice what I
would estimate (at least in today's economy!). Maybe I should just sit on
it all for the next 2-3 years and wait until one of the next Web 3.0
millionaires wants a legacy collection!
Jim Battle, you and Barry Watzman are the only 2 people I know with working
Helios systems. If I find those Helios disks I lent you a few years ago,
you two guys can split them if you want them.
Bob Stek
(former) Saver of Lost Sols
Does anyone have copies of the various revisions of the Grammar Engine
PROMICE? I have a manual for a really early version of the device, and
have a few of them of various vintages made in the 90's which neither
match my manual, or the current versions.
Hi,
I have a couple of uPDP-11 boxes (BA23) with failed power supplies.
Being no expert on repairing switch mode power supplies (and to be frank
slighly scared of trying), is there any reason why I shouldn't adapt a
ATX power supply from a PC to provide the required voltages?
Most ATX power supplies offer pretty meaty 5V and 12V feeds plus a
fairly small -12V (~0.3A) feed.
Will I need to generate a LTC/BEVENT L signal if I go down this route?
Finally, does anyone know of any good guides on repairing switch modes?
Whilst not keen, I guess I should bite the bullet (hopefully not
literally) and learn how to repair them.
Thanks,
Toby
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> Until the boss sees that you screwed around in the lab for an hour or
> two getting all the parts and building the test circuit
I doubt any company newer than 10 years old even has lab stock any more
to breadboard something with.
I'd end up going to Haltek or Halted for parts, because Apple killed off
their parts stock room when the hardware group was moving from Valley Green to
Infinite Loop. One day I went over to it and it was empty. They had dumped
the whole thing into recycling because none of the hardware engineers used
any of it anymore.
I have been mostly a lurker on the classiccmp lists for the last 10 years or
so, though I have had individual correspondence with Jim Battle, Dave
Dunfield, Rich Cini, Allison, and a few others ? I think they would vouch
for me. I?ve been mostly an S-100 and CP/M guy, and I have probably used
more impulse than sense in collecting micro stuff. My worst sin has been in
putting off any systematic cataloging of my collection, and unfortunately I
am not in a position to do it now. What I describe later on is from memory
? there are all sorts of miscellaneous things as well.
The time has come for me to liquidate 90% of my collection. I won?t give it
away ? my kids can deal with it after I?m dead! I started to sell it piece
by piece last year and sold about $3,000-$4,000 worth on ebay (I know,
boo-hiss! But that?s where I got most of it from.) I would rather not go
this route again, except perhaps for my Altair or one of my IMSAI?s. I am
willing to take a loss if I can dispose of this stuff in bulk, but want this
to be as painless (for me) as possible. All of this stuff has been packed
away in moving boxes for at least 4-5 years and I no longer want to have to
take it out, photograph it, test, troubleshoot, write accurate descriptions,
re-package for safe shipping, take it down to UPS or the P.O., deal with
eBay, etc.
So, questions for the group:
1) Does anyone here have an interest in acquiring my collection and is
willing to come to Tucson (7 hour drive from San Diego) and pick it all up?
2) Does anyone here know of anyone ? a computer museum, a collector not
on this list, anyone else of unsound mind ? who might be interested?
3) Any other ideas on eliminating hassles from individual sales and
shipping?
4) Anyone want to take a guess at a value of the collection as a whole?
a) if individually priced on ebay or b) Entire lot value
It?s all packed well enough for storage or shipment in a van, but most would
need to be re-packed for individual shipment. Part of the problem is that
while individual boxes are generically labeled (i.e., 8? disks, BYTE mags,
Votrax, monitor, etc.) I have no simple or easy way to put the appropriate
docs and disks together with the hardware (nor the room to even attempt it).
I think I did a fairly good job of rounding up original docs and boot disks
(or good copies thereof) for most of the equipment. It would be a shame to
let that effort go to waste if I eventually decide to go the ebay route
after all; I would have to sell it all ala carte as I come across it.
To give you an idea of some of the items (almost all with complete
documentation, extra S-100 boards and boot software if appropriate, and most
were known working when put in storage) here is a good part of the
collection that I still have:
2 or 3 Processor Tech Sols (have extra foam pads for 1 keyboard restore) ?
original docs
Ithaca InterSystem S-100 ? original docs
2 IMSAI?s ? original docs
1 Altair 8800 ? some docs
2 NorthStar Horizons, 1 with HD ? original docs
1 CompuPro 8/16 ? original docs
1 Morrow Decision 1 with HD ? original docs (the big iron, not the
MicroDecision)
Many, many S-100 cards ? 8 and 16 bit CPUs, 4k thru 256k memory boards,
Matrox video, disk controllers, almost all w/ original docs
1 Lobo System with HD ? original docs
3-4-5? Circuit Cellar SB-180 systems, 1 with HD ? original docs
2 NOS Xerox Z-80 64k systems w/ 5 ?? dual drives ? original docs
2-3 KayPro?s ? original docs
Televideo 925 terminal
Older memory chip tester
Pro-Log M882 8080 analyzer
Z-80 MicroProfessor
Digital Group programs on cassette
Many original ProcTech programs on cassette w/ original docs
Multiple SS/DD and DS/DD 5.25? disk drives, some in cabinets w/ PS, most not
Several monochrome composite monitors
Collection of text-to-speech units, 3-4 Votrax and a large DEC-Talk plus a
few others ? original docs
BYTE magazine from, v1#1 through mid to late 80?s
Many issues of Creative Comp, complete Kilobaud, S-100 Microsystems, early
Dr. Dobb?s, Interface Age, Computer Shopper, Lifeboat Lifelines, etc.
2 dual 8? drive systems
2-3 Apple II Plus
2-3 Apple Z-80 cards
Ohio Scientific Challenger (C4P? ? can?t remember, plus I may have sold this
last year, not sure but I think it?s still here) w/ docs
Franklin Ace 100 (the original one with the Apple II ROMs that led to
landmark court decision allowing copyrighting of software)
1-2 early Macs
Mac LC w/ MS-DOS card
Cables ? lots and lots, from RS-232, Centronics parallel, to power cables to
ribbon cables to . . . .
Lots of original software and docs: boxed sets of Digital Research CP/M,
CP/M-86, CP/M-Plus, CBASIC, Concurrent CP/M ? all from DR in slip cases,
WordStar, Magic Wand, Palantir, dBASE II, Microsoft BASIC-80, baZic,
Lifeboat Associates CP/MUG disks, lots of NorthStar format software, NOS
Dysan 10-hole hard-sector disks, complete International NorthStar User?s
Association newsletters and disks, complete original SOL Users Society
newsletters, etc.)
IBM XT
TrackStar 6502 card for IBM
Baby Blue Z-80 card for IBM
IBM AT
Central Point Match Point card, several Option boards
. . . and this is just the stuff I remember.
Bob Stek
Saver of Lost Sols
P.S. If I can?t sell it all in one swell foop, I MAY consider offers for
individual pieces from list members, but I would REALLY like to sell
everything at once. Please don?t ask for any particular item right now ?
I?ll let everyone know if I do decide to do that later.
Josh Dersch wrote:
> Just acquired one of these bad boys and I've found very little info on
> it -- it appears to have two video out connectors -- a 25-pin D-sub
> labeled "RGB Multi Out" and an 8-pin DIN labeled "B/W Multi Out."
> Anyone know the pinouts of these?
If you're still looking for pinouts, here they are:
http://www.eskimo.com/~adam/smc70vidpin.pdf
Sorry about the huge PDF file.
Since you have the G (genlock) model there should also be RGB video
on BNC connectors.
> Any ideas what kind of monitor I can expect to use with this machine?
For authenticity, a KX-1211HG, CPD-120 or PVM-1270Q. Otherwise, a
Commodore 1080 or 1084 or whatever.
> Anyone have manuals/software archived?
I have a little bit of stuff... I'll drop you a line if/when I archive it...
probably some time in 2015? :)
Amazingly enough Sony still lists a SMC-70G manual as available to order.
The part number is 3-773-522-22. If you feel like taking a $20 gamble you can
order it online at servicesales.sel.sony.com or servicesplus.us.sony.biz or
by phone at (800)488-7669. You might end up with a hefty bound manual or you
might end up with 2 xeroxed pages. I have no idea what it is other than it's
an instruction manual for SMC-70G serial number 20211 and later and it's not
one of the ones I have.
-- Adam
I don't have an answer for the other gentleman's query on 720RPM floppies
but I recently discovered that new 3.5" drives appear to no longer support
720K media. I purchased a number of Samsung drives for a project where
I am converting a system with 5.25" drives to use 3.5" and I found that
these drives have left out the media density sense switch all together!
They no longer have any way to detect the lower density, 250kbps media
and run at 500Kbps no matter what is installed.
I needed the 300 rpm, 250Kbps capability to be compatible with the old
5.25" stuff.
What's particularly nasty is that I chose these drives, Samsung SFD-321B,
because I had a recent datasheet that clearly showed they supported
this mode-- until of course they arrived and the switch/sensor is not
even installed!
Is this true of all 3.5" drives now?
This might explain why 720K 3.5" drives are selling for $285 on eBay :-(
I'd sure like to find a way to force the drive into 250Kbps mode-- I
can't believe the chips don't still support it-- I just need a way to
figure out where the sensor is supposed to connect and hard wire it to
720K mode. Any ideas on how to do that?
Chris
There is a Microdata Reality in Sandy, Utah that needs a new home. This
is a large and heavy early- to mid-1970s mini in a 6 foot cabinet.
Please contact me directly if you're interested and I'll pass along the
contact info.
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Printronix P-600's availability "soon" in St. Louis. I'm posting for a
friend who has as many as three which may be retired and scrapped.
These are well maintained, but obviously elderly printers.
The Qume is a wheel printer I posted about some time ago w/o any
response. Reply off list unless there is a useful comment, obviously.
Qume printer is in Evansville, In.
Jim
>
>Subject: Anyone have a line on batteries for the NLS portable oscilloscope?
> From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:51:59 -0500
> To: classiccmp at classiccmp.org
>
>Hi, All,
>
>The topic of replacement batteries came up in the Yahoo Group
>for the RB5X, and someone posted a link for 2 volt 2.5 Amp-hour
>cells (which are apparently used in an older version of the robot
>than mine)...
>
><http://www.batteryweb.com/hawkersla-detail.cfm?Model=0810-0004&label=single…>
>
>I saw the image and immediately thought of my NLS portable oscilloscope.
>I'd love to refurb mine, but $45 in batteries is a little on the high
>side for me.
>Has anyone on the list replaced a set of this sort of battery, and does anyone
>know of a place that stocks them for a bit less?
I've replaced the min my NLS MS-15 and MS215 portable scopes, I usually pay around
8-9$ each
(it uses 3) for them new. Google "2V 2.5AH Gell cell" you get mroe than afew hits.
Note any 6V gellcell that fits in the form factor (NLS has an area) will also work.
I've found 6V/2.2AH Yusa and others that fit in mind and they can be cheaper usually
under 15$.
If your really game 4 nicads of the 1800-2200mah size fit there but require the
charger side to be modded for constant current rather constant voltage.
Allison
>
>-ethan
Dan,
My first comment is - watch your back!
--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Old Software rights (was content rights)
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:48 AM
> In an unrelated topic,
>
> I have a bunch of old programs from my University days,
> back in the late 70's, early 80's
> all Vax/VMS code, in various languages, etc.
>
> In those days we never put "(C)" or copyright
> notices on code.
> I'm just wondering if it's generally "ok"
> to release this code to the public?
>
> It's been 30 some years (longer than copyright would
> apply anyhow).
> I have searched for 20 years for some of the authors and
> never found anyone.
>
> 14 years ago I posted pieces of it, and said "if
> anyone objects to this, please contact me"
> and never got any response from anyone.
Just an experience I recall observing.
A guy was posting old games on USENET (don't recall which group), from the CP/M to early IBM PC era - games for which no owner could he could find, games that seemed to be abandoned.
And then one day he announced that he would no longer be doing this, having been warned by his ISP and having received a cease and desist notice from a law firm.
> The system and associated parts used for the development
> are long gone.
Copyright is a can of worms, particularly with the obscenely long period that has been recently legislated. And there will always be someone willing to threaten action.
Your examples seem safe, but I would be quick to be responsive to any request to "desist".
> But another age old question, who has rights to code
> developed on the universities equipment?
> I know it's a common question these days, but
> "back in the day" such considerations never
> occurred,
> it was a different era.
I well recall those days when software was free, included in the rental of the mainframe. Until unbundling and the "Program Product" which would rent or sell independently from the machine. IIRC, IBM's H Assembler for OS/360, first NEW product issued under the unbundling agreement, rented for $250/mo. in 1970 - which would be something more significant these days.
Those days really ended around 1970.
It's particularly annoying in the area of OS's for our classic computers, which remain under copyright to companies which may have gone belly-up, been absorbed and forgotten by their buyers, etc. Getting an old CP/M machine without the OS, and not having a legal source for it, makes 'criminals' of us all.
And it's damned unfair!
> Everyone from that era has also vanished with the wind, I
> know, I've looked.
>
> So is it fairly safely abandoned?
> Another way to look at it - If it was your code, some small
> silly thing you wrote, would you care?
Now that is a very GOOD question. There are a lot of things I've written that I would NEVER want seen - by ANYONE; guess they're in the class of 'silly'.
Most of my serious software belongs to entities (alive or dead), under 'work for hire'. If it were distributed with their blessings, it wouldn't bother me; I've been paid - though never enough :)
OTOH, I have several proprietary systems I have written for the use of my own business AND I WOULD EXPRESS SERIOUS ANNOYANCE if they were somehow obtained and distributed. But they have never been shared, and the likelihood of it happening seems small.
That said, good fortune.
Vern Wright
> Dan.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
Hi all,
I noticed an 11/34 on eBay (# 200302612244) which reminded me
of the 11/04 that I have in similar size / housing. Just as the machine
up for auction, I am missing the black metal box into which the unit
is placed and mounted in a 19" rack.
So ... if anybody has an empty box, I am very interested!
thanks,
- Henk, PA8PDP
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Does anyone have manuals or any information about the DECwriter
correspondent? I managed to grab one today, and would like to at least
look at the docs before I plug it in, and turn it on, if anyone can
find a copy..
Thanks,
Pat
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Not quite a computer but maybe a distant relative.
I am looking for anything on the Xerox 914; anything operation,
maintenance, or marketing material that I can get a copy of. Its for
a uh, performance that I am involved in and I would like to be more
technically accurate in describing the machine and its operation.
Thanks!
I assume the answer to the subject line is "no," but I figured I'd ask
just in case one of you has a stack of this stuff lying around somewhere
:).
Picked up a Corvus Concept -- just the main CPU unit, no monitor, no
keyboard, no drives. It appears to work (it beeps when I turn it on!)
but of course lacking any other hardware it's a rather bulky doorstop.
I'd like to get it running, it's a cool 68k-based machine with a
bit-mapped display and Apple II (!!) compatible expansion slots. (Are
there any other machines out there that used the Apple II bus for
expansion? Aside from Apple II-family machines and clones, of course...)
I suppose given enough time I could build a compatible monitor, hack
together a keyboard interface, and get it booting over OmniNet but
somehow having the original hardware would be nice too...
Thanks,
Josh
>
>Subject: Stack Depth requirements for CP/M 2.2 CBIOS
> From: "ROBO5.8" <robo58 at optonline.net>
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:08:49 -0500
> To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only'" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
>
>Hello,
>
>I have rewritten my old systems CP/M 2.2 CBIOS to add an IDE Drive.
>
>I've run into a problem that has me stumped. Everything works as long as I
>don't try and copy or assemble a large Assembly file (>80KB).
>
>I will be going along fine and then out of nowhere I will see CP/M request
>access to Drive "T". My debug info says SELDSK is requesting Drive 0FF00h.
>
Ok this is easy. CP/M 2.x (2.2 nominal) can only address 16 logical drives
so that's limitation one. Each drive is limited to 8Mb (65525sectors*128bytes).
If you use one of the CP/M like imperoved work a likes this is less an issue
and logical drives can be much larger (up to 1gb).
>I have added debug code to all the CBIOS routines so that they report what
>they are doing to the console (slow but nice).
>
>I've gone through my code many times and tested each routine via an embedded
>debug monitor. I believe I have added every CP/M 2.2 patch (1-6 and 9)that
>is specific to the CBIOS including those dealing with Blocking/Deblocking.
Good but likely not the problem itself.
>
>In the back of my mind I kept wondering if I was exceeding CP/M's Stack
>Depth. I can find no information on the web or in my doc's that specifies
>what the maximum Stack usage is for a CBIOS.
This does not could like a stack size issue. That tends to be very static
for any disk size.
>Do any of you have any thoughts on my Stack Question? Are there other
>issues with Blocking/Deblocking that become visible with large Disk Drives,
>and that are not covered in any of the published DRI patches?
Wrong plase to look.
Likely areas of breakage:
More than 16 drives
Alloc storage areas inadaquately sized or overlapping
BIOS local variables being trashed.
Bios logic in error (deblock, sector addressing other??)
Allison
>Thanks for your assistance.
>Robo
I am looking for volunteers to help reverse-engineer and document Apple
II VisiCalc.
Besides documenting this for future historians
--I plan to give all this work to the Smithsonian--
I'd like to get Apple II VisiCalc running in emulation.
Right now this isn't possible because of the copy protection.
(BTW the PC DOS version is available on the web, and doesn't have copy
protection).
I have three versions of the Apple II software. I know one of them
still boots (1983?)
and have some confidence that the other two versions (1979 and 1981)
work too.
I have been in contact with both Bob Frankston and Dan Bricklin.
Of course you ask, well then why do you need volunteers?
The answer is because no one can find the sources.
Bob and I plan to dig around his garage when the weather gets warmer,
but there are no guarantees, and the 30th anniversary is in October 2009.
--Tim McNerney
http://www.4004.com