From rhblakeman@kih.net Sat Oct 27 16:31:55 2001 From: rhblakeman@kih.net To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:31:55 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2489482577286091498==" --===============2489482577286091498== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I've seen many things on this in th epast but wasn't paying attention. I have some free time now and want to do some tinkering. Are there browsers and email agents for the Commodore 64/128 series and DOS (2.11 through 6.22). I prefer a free or shareware one to be able to test it to see if it's a POS or not. I want to use the DOS version on a few platforms from an 8086/8088 to a 386. I have a 286 portable NEC that I'd like to try it out on first. Thanks in advance. --===============2489482577286091498==-- From ghldbrd@ccp.com Sat Oct 27 19:43:07 2001 From: ghldbrd@ccp.com To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:43:07 +0000 Message-ID: <3BDB549B.B617BC59@ccp.com> In-Reply-To: <1405.701T2100T1385729optimus@canit.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0440142289988779524==" --===============0440142289988779524== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've heard of a c-128 on the net, but with what I have no idea. I know there is a demand out there for mailers for the 64, there is probably some sort of TSP/IP stack and associated software to go with it. I think everything is text based, no whizz bang graphics. Gary Hildebrand Iggy Drougge wrote: >=20 > Russ Blakeman skrev: >=20 > >I know I've seen many things on this in th epast but wasn't paying > >attention. I have some free time now and want to do some tinkering. Are > >there browsers and email agents for the Commodore 64/128 series and DOS > >(2.11 through 6.22). I prefer a free or shareware one to be able to test it > >to see if it's a POS or not. I want to use the DOS version on a few > >platforms from an 8086/8088 to a 386. I have a 286 portable NEC that I'd > >like to try it out on first. >=20 > > > > > [snip] >=20 > Hopefully some programms which won't let you send HTML. >=20 > As for MS-DOS and derivatives (I suppose that's the DOS you'd run), do a > search for WATTCP. That's the stack I use on my DOS box (PS/2 model 70, to = be > replaced by a mod. 70 486). There's supposed to be a big WATTCP page in > Norway. > I seem to forget what the name of that OLR (off-line reader =3D) for C64/12= 8 is > called, but it seemed awfully capable. I also seem to forget whether it is > developed by Cameron Kaiser. There are at least two browsers, too. Or three= . I > think Cameron is developing one, then there's one for SuperCPU users, and o= ne > developed by Fairlight. At least one goes by the name Wave. >=20 > -- > En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. >=20 > You can't prove anything about a program written in C or FORTRAN. It's real= ly > just Peek and Poke with some syntactic sugar. > Bill Joy --===============0440142289988779524==-- From Tony.Eros@machm.org Sat Oct 27 20:01:02 2001 From: "tony.eros@machm.org" To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: System pickup help in Santa Fe, NM? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:01:02 +0000 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011027205538.0229c3f0@mail.njd.concentric.com> In-Reply-To: <1405.701T2100T1385729optimus@canit.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1345909299493519491==" --===============1345909299493519491== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anyone on the list in the Santa Fe, New Mexico area? I think I just bought my birthday and Christmas present for the next couple of years and could use some help with picking up and shipping the system. If you can help, please contact me off list. Thanks! -- Tony --===============1345909299493519491==-- From optimus@canit.se Sat Oct 27 20:18:42 2001 From: optimus@canit.se To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:18:42 +0000 Message-ID: <1405.701T2100T1385729optimus@canit.se> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7613318548152518029==" --===============7613318548152518029== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Russ Blakeman skrev: >I know I've seen many things on this in th epast but wasn't paying >attention. I have some free time now and want to do some tinkering. Are >there browsers and email agents for the Commodore 64/128 series and DOS >(2.11 through 6.22). I prefer a free or shareware one to be able to test it >to see if it's a POS or not. I want to use the DOS version on a few >platforms from an 8086/8088 to a 386. I have a 286 portable NEC that I'd >like to try it out on first. > > [snip] Hopefully some programms which won't let you send HTML. As for MS-DOS and derivatives (I suppose that's the DOS you'd run), do a search for WATTCP. That's the stack I use on my DOS box (PS/2 model 70, to be replaced by a mod. 70 486). There's supposed to be a big WATTCP page in Norway. I seem to forget what the name of that OLR (off-line reader =) for C64/128 is called, but it seemed awfully capable. I also seem to forget whether it is developed by Cameron Kaiser. There are at least two browsers, too. Or three. I think Cameron is developing one, then there's one for SuperCPU users, and one developed by Fairlight. At least one goes by the name Wave. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. You can't prove anything about a program written in C or FORTRAN. It's really just Peek and Poke with some syntactic sugar. Bill Joy --===============7613318548152518029==-- From gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org Sat Oct 27 20:43:25 2001 From: gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: System pickup help in Santa Fe, NM? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:43:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3BDB62BD.7010300@aurora.regenstrief.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011027205538.0229c3f0@mail.njd.concentric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5946849093682099225==" --===============5946849093682099225== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, I can't help but I'm curious: what did you buy and what did you pay for it to pay it off over the next couple of years? -Gunther Tony Eros wrote: > Is there anyone on the list in the Santa Fe, New Mexico area? I think I > just bought my birthday and Christmas present for the next couple of > years and could use some help with picking up and shipping the system. > If you can help, please contact me off list. > > Thanks! > > -- Tony -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org --===============5946849093682099225==-- From optimus@canit.se Sat Oct 27 21:00:43 2001 From: optimus@canit.se To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:00:43 +0000 Message-ID: <753.701T2150T1806243optimus@canit.se> In-Reply-To: <3BDB549B.B617BC59@ccp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8138544895164565005==" --===============8138544895164565005== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary Hildebrand skrev h?gst upp som en riktig datahacker: >I've heard of a c-128 on the net, but with what I have no idea. I know >there is a demand out there for mailers for the 64, there is probably >some sort of TSP/IP stack and associated software to go with it. There's been a TCP/IP stack for quite a while by Andr? Fachat, or if it was Dallman: http://www.heilbronn.netsurf.de/~dallmann/c64.html OTOH, that stack didn't have much application support. Telnet, possibly FTP or IRC as well. >I think everything is text based, no whizz bang graphics. At least one browser is graphical. With VIC graphics, though, it's not always that easy to recognise pictures. =) -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Allt ?r under kontroll, och caps lock ?r bredvid. --===============8138544895164565005==-- From Tony.Eros@machm.org Sat Oct 27 21:34:14 2001 From: "tony.eros@machm.org" To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: System pickup help in Santa Fe, NM? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:34:14 +0000 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011027222559.02233c60@mail.njd.concentric.com> In-Reply-To: <3BDB62BD.7010300@aurora.regenstrief.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9037700613129137248==" --===============9037700613129137248== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was high bidder for a Xerox 8010 workstation (frequently referred to as the Xerox Star) on eBay. I hate eBay -- I'm a real fan of yard sales and this is the world's biggest. It's just too darned easy to spend _way_ too much money there, but then again, I got nobody to blame but myself, don't I :-) -- Tony At 08:43 PM 10/27/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry, I can't help but I'm curious: what did you buy and what >did you pay for it to pay it off over the next couple of years? > >-Gunther > >Tony Eros wrote: > >>Is there anyone on the list in the Santa Fe, New Mexico area? I think I >>just bought my birthday and Christmas present for the next couple of >>years and could use some help with picking up and shipping the system. >>If you can help, please contact me off list. >>Thanks! >>-- Tony > > >-- >Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org >Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care >Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine >tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org > > > --===============9037700613129137248==-- From rhblakeman@kih.net Sat Oct 27 22:56:17 2001 From: rhblakeman@kih.net To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:56:17 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1405.701T2100T1385729optimus@canit.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1465181987677083738==" --===============1465181987677083738== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No HTML sent out here, may be inserted somewhere down the road after it leaves my machine as I have always had the Classic Comp list in plain text mode. Thanks for the hints by the way, to all of you that answered. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Iggy Drougge -> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 8:19 PM -> To: Russ Blakeman -> Subject: Re: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? -> -> -> Russ Blakeman skrev: -> -> >I know I've seen many things on this in th epast but wasn't paying -> >attention. I have some free time now and want to do some tinkering. Are -> >there browsers and email agents for the Commodore 64/128 series and DOS -> >(2.11 through 6.22). I prefer a free or shareware one to be -> able to test it -> >to see if it's a POS or not. I want to use the DOS version on a few -> >platforms from an 8086/8088 to a 386. I have a 286 portable NEC that I'd -> >like to try it out on first. -> -> > -> > -> [snip] -> -> Hopefully some programms which won't let you send HTML. -> -> As for MS-DOS and derivatives (I suppose that's the DOS you'd run), do a -> search for WATTCP. That's the stack I use on my DOS box (PS/2 -> model 70, to be -> replaced by a mod. 70 486). There's supposed to be a big WATTCP page in -> Norway. -> I seem to forget what the name of that OLR (off-line reader =) -> for C64/128 is -> called, but it seemed awfully capable. I also seem to forget -> whether it is -> developed by Cameron Kaiser. There are at least two browsers, -> too. Or three. I -> think Cameron is developing one, then there's one for SuperCPU -> users, and one -> developed by Fairlight. At least one goes by the name Wave. -> -> -- -> En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. -> -> You can't prove anything about a program written in C or -> FORTRAN. It's really -> just Peek and Poke with some syntactic sugar. -> Bill Joy -> -> -> --===============1465181987677083738==-- From edick@idcomm.com Sun Oct 28 00:13:00 2001 From: edick@idcomm.com To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:13:00 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c15f6f$36900020$9cc762d8@idcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <753.701T2150T1806243optimus@canit.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4654160707893163829==" --===============4654160707893163829== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Which CPU does this use? The COMMODOREs of that era had both the Z80 and the 65xx, didn't they? Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iggy Drougge" To: "Gary Hildebrand" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 12:00 AM Subject: Re: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? > Gary Hildebrand skrev h?gst upp som en riktig datahacker: > > >I've heard of a c-128 on the net, but with what I have no idea. I know > >there is a demand out there for mailers for the 64, there is probably > >some sort of TSP/IP stack and associated software to go with it. > > There's been a TCP/IP stack for quite a while by Andr? Fachat, or if it was > Dallman: http://www.heilbronn.netsurf.de/~dallmann/c64.html > OTOH, that stack didn't have much application support. Telnet, possibly FTP= or > IRC as well. > > >I think everything is text based, no whizz bang graphics. > > At least one browser is graphical. With VIC graphics, though, it's not alwa= ys > that easy to recognise pictures. =3D) > > -- > En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. > > Allt ?r under kontroll, och caps lock ?r bredvid. > > > --===============4654160707893163829==-- From spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu Sun Oct 28 00:24:30 2001 From: spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:24:30 +0000 Message-ID: <200110280524.WAA10096@stockholm.ptloma.edu> In-Reply-To: <1405.701T2100T1385729optimus@canit.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2402221872082309266==" --===============2402221872082309266== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I seem to forget what the name of that OLR (off-line reader =3D) for C64/12= 8 is > called, but it seemed awfully capable. I also seem to forget whether it is > developed by Cameron Kaiser. There are at least two browsers, too. Or three= . I > think Cameron is developing one, then there's one for SuperCPU users, and o= ne > developed by Fairlight. At least one goes by the name Wave. The Fairlight one is actually just an offline HTML reader. It does a good job, though. HyperLink 2.5 is the one I wrote. It requires a shell dialup with Perl, and strongly prefers an ACIA cartridge. It speaks a custom protocol to the server, which acts as a proxy for the C64. The proxy can also translate gopherspace sites as a general purpose Internet proxy; has support for images, so you can view .gif, .tif and .jpg files with appropriate server support; and there is rudimentary support for forms as well. The advantage of this is that a naked C64 with no upgrades can still run this (albeit slowly), but the dialup requirement may be too onerous. You can use a null modem connection to your Unix server, though, if you like. See http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/hl/ The Wave is a true PPP implementation. Its web browser is simple but does a nice job on text rendering (it does not yet support images or forms). It also has Telnet support, and since it is a true TCP/IP implementation other protocols are possible. The downside is that it has sizeable software and hardware requirements (a SuperCPU-equipped C64/128 with at least 1MB SuperRAM and an ACIA cartridge, plus Wheels, a GEOS upgrade). See http://www.ia4u.net/%7Emaurice/ --=20 ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ = -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.= edu -- What use is magic if it can't save a unicorn? -- Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" --===============2402221872082309266==-- From spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu Sun Oct 28 00:39:17 2001 From: spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:39:17 +0000 Message-ID: <200110280539.WAA10314@stockholm.ptloma.edu> In-Reply-To: <002f01c15f6f$36900020$9cc762d8@idcomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0213698278111920009==" --===============0213698278111920009== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Which CPU does this use? The COMMODOREs of that era had both the Z80 and t= he > 65xx, didn't they? The C128 has a Z80 and 8502 (6502 derivative) but they do not operate simultaneously. The Z80 in the C128 is virtually only used for CP/M; very little native mode software uses it. (Interestingly, it is the master processor on bootup -- see http://www.retrobits.com/ckb/secret/d128.html ). All other Commodore 8-bits are 6502-based only, although there is a Z80 cartridge for the C64 to allow it to run CP/M 2.2. --=20 ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ = -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.= edu -- Honk if you're illiterate! -----------------------------------------------= -- --===============0213698278111920009==-- From edick@idcomm.com Sun Oct 28 01:12:05 2001 From: edick@idcomm.com To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:12:05 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c15f7f$d9569520$9cc762d8@idcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <586.701T2700T4396125optimus@canit.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1564624124817248835==" --===============1564624124817248835== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's hard to know what to do in this environment. I've been crabbed at so ma= ny times for leaving the context in place, which I definitely prefer, since I process lots (hundreds) of emails every day and am getting forgetful as I get older, hence tend to lose my place. Several people have slow terminals via shell access, however, and can't take the time to download all the prior context, however. Some places, as you may know, charge for email by the bit, which means chopping off the prior message saves them money as well as time. Having a fairly high bandwidth connection myself, it doesn't matter so much at this end. HOWEVER ... what I was asking about, actually was WHICH CPU in the COM64/128 runs the browser/etc software. Maybe this thread has drifted off, but I was just curious whether somebody had built a stack for the 6502 core. I've been curious because I'm looking at whipping up a middle layer IP stack processor in programmable logic, implementing just the TCP/UDP at the top and IP/ICMP at the bottom, leaving ARP and all the lower-level (local networi) st= uff for someone else, and likewise, leaving the upper layers for someone else as well, e.g. by shoving the data out parallel ports. I have to be able to stre= am at a rate that keeps up with 10Gb ethernet, parallel interfaced at the lower interface, however. Seeing how this works on a simple CPU like the 6502 core might shed some light and provide some inspiration. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iggy Drougge" To: "Richard Erlacher" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 12:19 AM Subject: Re: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? > Richard Erlacher skrev: > > Erlacher, are you replying on top just to spite me? How will we sort this o= ut > now? Will I have to snip the passage which would contain information supply= ing > the context? Yes, I'll have to do that. > When will you learn? > > >Which CPU does this use? The COMMODOREs of that era had both the Z80 and = the > >65xx, didn't they? > > This? The SuperCPU? That's a 65816. > The VIC-20 used a 6502, the C64 a 6510 and the C128 used an 8510, IIRC, as > well as a Z80 for CP/M. > > -- > En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. > > Ky?suke: Jag heter Kurre, Kurre Carlsson! > Jag: Det heter du inte alls! > > > --===============1564624124817248835==-- From edick@idcomm.com Sun Oct 28 01:13:33 2001 From: edick@idcomm.com To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:13:33 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c15f80$0dea5c40$9cc762d8@idcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <200110280539.WAA10314@stockholm.ptloma.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2305724437722875120==" --===============2305724437722875120== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I wondered was which CPU runs the IP stack. Do you know? Is the source code where one can look it over? Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Kaiser" To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:39 PM Subject: Re: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? > > Which CPU does this use? The COMMODOREs of that era had both the Z80 and the > > 65xx, didn't they? > > The C128 has a Z80 and 8502 (6502 derivative) but they do not operate > simultaneously. The Z80 in the C128 is virtually only used for CP/M; very > little native mode software uses it. (Interestingly, it is the master > processor on bootup -- see > > http://www.retrobits.com/ckb/secret/d128.html > > ). All other Commodore 8-bits are 6502-based only, although there is a > Z80 cartridge for the C64 to allow it to run CP/M 2.2. > > -- > ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptlom= a.edu > -- Honk if you're illiterate! ------------------------------------------------- > > --===============2305724437722875120==-- From optimus@canit.se Sun Oct 28 01:19:54 2001 From: optimus@canit.se To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:19:54 +0000 Message-ID: <586.701T2700T4396125optimus@canit.se> In-Reply-To: <002f01c15f6f$36900020$9cc762d8@idcomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1797628955606537292==" --===============1797628955606537292== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Erlacher skrev: Erlacher, are you replying on top just to spite me? How will we sort this out now? Will I have to snip the passage which would contain information supplying the context? Yes, I'll have to do that. When will you learn? >Which CPU does this use? The COMMODOREs of that era had both the Z80 and the >65xx, didn't they? This? The SuperCPU? That's a 65816. The VIC-20 used a 6502, the C64 a 6510 and the C128 used an 8510, IIRC, as well as a Z80 for CP/M. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Ky?suke: Jag heter Kurre, Kurre Carlsson! Jag: Det heter du inte alls! --===============1797628955606537292==-- From spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu Sun Oct 28 09:17:15 2001 From: spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:17:15 +0000 Message-ID: <200110281517.IAA10612@stockholm.ptloma.edu> In-Reply-To: <586.701T2700T4396125optimus@canit.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0339683817395882611==" --===============0339683817395882611== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The VIC-20 used a 6502, the C64 a 6510 and the C128 used an 8510, IIRC, as > well as a Z80 for CP/M. 8502, actually. There is also a 7501/8501 used in the Plus/4 and 16, and a 4510 used in the mythical C65. HMOS-2 C64s and 64Cs use the 8500. --=20 ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ = -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.= edu -- What you don't know won't help you much either. -- D. Bennett ------------= -- --===============0339683817395882611==-- From jhellige@earthlink.net Sun Oct 28 18:03:04 2001 From: jhellige@earthlink.net To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:03:04 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c15f6f$36900020$9cc762d8@idcomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6383868524747440329==" --===============6383868524747440329== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Which CPU does this use? The COMMODOREs of that era had both the Z80 and the >65xx, didn't they? Only the C-128 had both CPU's. Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 --===============6383868524747440329==-- From edick@idcomm.com Sun Oct 28 18:41:43 2001 From: edick@idcomm.com To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:41:43 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c16012$7b7f4260$9cc762d8@idcomm.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4797995951950643219==" --===============4797995951950643219== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, but WHICH CPU runs the IP stack? Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hellige" To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:03 PM Subject: Re: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? > >Which CPU does this use? The COMMODOREs of that era had both the Z80 and = the > >65xx, didn't they? > > Only the C-128 had both CPU's. > > Jeff > -- > Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File > http://www.cchaven.com > http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 > > --===============4797995951950643219==-- From jhellige@earthlink.net Sun Oct 28 19:02:03 2001 From: jhellige@earthlink.net To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:02:03 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c16012$7b7f4260$9cc762d8@idcomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6301238047141629470==" --===============6301238047141629470== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since in the C-128 the CPU's don't operate concurrently, I'd say it would be the 65XX/85XX series chip since otherwise you'd have to boot into C-128 CP/M+ in order to use the Z80. Also if the IP stack was usable on the C-64 it'd have to be using the 65xx/85xx series chiop since the C-64 doesn't have a Z80, not counting the one installed in the C64's CP/M cartridge. Jeff >Yes, but WHICH CPU runs the IP stack? > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Hellige" >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:03 PM >Subject: Re: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? > > >> >Which CPU does this use? The COMMODOREs of that era had both the >>Z80 and the >> >65xx, didn't they? >> > > Only the C-128 had both CPU's. -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 --===============6301238047141629470==-- From edick@idcomm.com Sun Oct 28 19:33:01 2001 From: edick@idcomm.com To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:33:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c16019$a5e9dae0$9cc762d8@idcomm.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8937586482614147412==" --===============8937586482614147412== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting ... Is the source for this IP implementation available anywhere? I'd be interested in having a peek. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hellige" To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: Re: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? > Since in the C-128 the CPU's don't operate concurrently, I'd > say it would be the 65XX/85XX series chip since otherwise you'd have > to boot into C-128 CP/M+ in order to use the Z80. Also if the IP > stack was usable on the C-64 it'd have to be using the 65xx/85xx > series chiop since the C-64 doesn't have a Z80, not counting the one > installed in the C64's CP/M cartridge. > > Jeff > > >Yes, but WHICH CPU runs the IP stack? > > > >Dick > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jeff Hellige" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:03 PM > >Subject: Re: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? > > > > > >> >Which CPU does this use? The COMMODOREs of that era had both the > >>Z80 and the > >> >65xx, didn't they? > >> > > > Only the C-128 had both CPU's. > -- > Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File > http://www.cchaven.com > http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 > > --===============8937586482614147412==-- From rhblakeman@kih.net Sun Oct 28 19:33:09 2001 From: rhblakeman@kih.net To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:33:09 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4499689731165911420==" --===============4499689731165911420== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 128 and 128D to be exact. I love the 128D, too bad Commodore waited so long to finally get it right. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Hellige -> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:03 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? -> -> -> >Which CPU does this use? The COMMODOREs of that era had both -> the Z80 and the -> >65xx, didn't they? -> -> Only the C-128 had both CPU's. -> -> Jeff -> -- -> Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File -> http://www.cchaven.com -> http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 -> -> --===============4499689731165911420==-- From jhellige@earthlink.net Sun Oct 28 19:51:04 2001 From: jhellige@earthlink.net To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:51:04 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5306029942076979202==" --===============5306029942076979202== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >128 and 128D to be exact. I love the 128D, too bad Commodore waited so long >to finally get it right. I tend to use 'C-128' to refer to either of them, though the 128D is different in some respects. I don't believe there's much, if anything, that requires one over the other. I also like the 128D but have often wondered why they used such a hefty connector for the keyboard. Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 --===============5306029942076979202==-- From rhblakeman@kih.net Sun Oct 28 22:17:34 2001 From: rhblakeman@kih.net To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:17:34 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3805557624321552157==" --===============3805557624321552157== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I belive that the mainboard inthe 128D is probably the same with the addition of maybe a few things but basically the same with exception of the case and builtin floppy. I though it was a pretty humungous connector too but hey it works. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Hellige -> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:51 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: RE: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? -> -> -> >128 and 128D to be exact. I love the 128D, too bad Commodore -> waited so long -> >to finally get it right. -> -> I tend to use 'C-128' to refer to either of them, though the -> 128D is different in some respects. I don't believe there's much, if -> anything, that requires one over the other. I also like the 128D but -> have often wondered why they used such a hefty connector for the -> keyboard. -> -> Jeff -> -- -> Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File -> http://www.cchaven.com -> http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 -> -> --===============3805557624321552157==-- From rhblakeman@kih.net Sun Oct 28 22:20:49 2001 From: rhblakeman@kih.net To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:20:49 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6756095657147408990==" --===============6756095657147408990== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I belive that the mainboard inthe 128D is probably the same with the addition of maybe a few things but basically the same with exception of the case and builtin floppy. I though it was a pretty humungous connector too but hey it works. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Hellige -> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:51 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: RE: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? -> -> -> >128 and 128D to be exact. I love the 128D, too bad Commodore -> waited so long -> >to finally get it right. -> -> I tend to use 'C-128' to refer to either of them, though the -> 128D is different in some respects. I don't believe there's much, if -> anything, that requires one over the other. I also like the 128D but -> have often wondered why they used such a hefty connector for the -> keyboard. -> -> Jeff -> -- -> Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File -> http://www.cchaven.com -> http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 -> -> --===============6756095657147408990==-- From spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu Sun Oct 28 22:29:18 2001 From: spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:29:18 +0000 Message-ID: <200110290429.VAA09288@stockholm.ptloma.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6598356467319447347==" --===============6598356467319447347== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >128 and 128D to be exact. I love the 128D, too bad Commodore waited so long > >to finally get it right. >=20 > I tend to use 'C-128' to refer to either of them, though the=20 > 128D is different in some respects. I don't believe there's much, if=20 > anything, that requires one over the other. I also like the 128D but=20 > have often wondered why they used such a hefty connector for the=20 > keyboard. The 128D has 64K VDC VRAM, which some applications do need. --=20 ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ = -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.= edu -- The whippings shall continue until morale improves. ----------------------= -- --===============6598356467319447347==-- From bpope@wordstock.com Mon Oct 29 07:43:49 2001 From: bpope@wordstock.com To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:43:49 +0000 Message-ID: <200110291343.IAA06196@wordstock.com> In-Reply-To: <000d01c15f7f$d9569520$9cc762d8@idcomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0025669241555048072==" --===============0025669241555048072== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out http://www.cc65.org And for a free TCP/IP implementation, check out: http://dunkels.com/adam/uip/ This is compiled under cc65. Cheers, Bryan Pope --===============0025669241555048072==-- From optimus@canit.se Mon Oct 29 10:15:43 2001 From: optimus@canit.se To: test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org Subject: email/browser for DOS or C64/128? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:15:43 +0000 Message-ID: <565.702T2150T10355491optimus@canit.se> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5678539186546633907==" --===============5678539186546633907== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Hellige skrev: >>128 and 128D to be exact. I love the 128D, too bad Commodore waited so long >>to finally get it right. > I tend to use 'C-128' to refer to either of them, though the >128D is different in some respects. I don't believe there's much, if >anything, that requires one over the other. I also like the 128D but >have often wondered why they used such a hefty connector for the >keyboard. Because they didn't have the sense to serialise the keyboard data, I suppose. OTOH, they keyboard is very light for its age. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. --===============5678539186546633907==--