- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Well, I have a board with a z8000 on it, is that the same? What OS would these things run natively? >You must have the XPU (8088) board installed, or it's dead. For >DECmateIII those are scarce. > >More common is the APU (z80) board that runs CP/M-80. > >Allison > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Chicks Love Classic Computerists!

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au desieh(a)bigfoot.com museum_curator(a)hotmail.com Apple Lisa Web Page: http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm Well they dont here in Australia..........most of my friends think i very weird............ also i dont have chicks falling at my feet when i carrying home a XT or some other piece of vintage computer hardware, mostly i get looks of "what a idiot" or "thats funney" oh well Desie -----Original Message----- From: Larry Anderson <foxnhare(a)goldrush.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 1:54 Subject: Re: Chicks Love Classic Computerists! >> From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> >> Subject: Re: what cost profit? (philosophical rant but slightly on topic) >> >> Sam Ismail wrote: >> >> > Well, I don't know about you guys, but I collect computers so I can meet >> > chicks!! >> > >> > Oh yeah! They dig this stuff. Really! >> >> Yeah, right Sam. You tell them to show you their floppies and then you bring ou the >> hard drive right? Or do all these chicks look like Janet Reno? > >Case in point I met my wife, Daine, via my Commodore-64 BBS network, (She was >in Louisiana, I in California) she appreciated my taste in computers (though >she says she was somewhat leary cause I had an Amiga 500 system as well). > >Yep, some chicks dig classic computers. *grin* >-- >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 >Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: > http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >

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Radio Shack Model 12 and II free to good home? Where was that posted?

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Someone the other day posted a message they got from the Usenet concerning some lady in Hayward, CA giving away some Radio Shack TRS-80s. I thought I wrote the number down correctly but when I called this old lady who could barely hear answered and said I got the wrong number. Could you e-mail me privately with that message if you still have it or know where to find it? Thanks. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98]

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Inport Mice needed

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Ok I have a scrounge run to accomplish (again). I am in need of from 1 to 3 Microsoft InPort mice as I have the cards for them, no mice (meeces). Anyone got one (or 2, 3) to sell, trade, or "donate"?? No hurry but soon. Reply by direct email please... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> > Subject: Re: what cost profit? (philosophical rant but slightly on topic) > > Sam Ismail wrote: > > > Well, I don't know about you guys, but I collect computers so I can meet > > chicks!! > > > > Oh yeah! They dig this stuff. Really! > > Yeah, right Sam. You tell them to show you their floppies and then you bring ou the > hard drive right? Or do all these chicks look like Janet Reno? Case in point I met my wife, Daine, via my Commodore-64 BBS network, (She was in Louisiana, I in California) she appreciated my taste in computers (though she says she was somewhat leary cause I had an Amiga 500 system as well). Yep, some chicks dig classic computers. *grin* -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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DEC Bonanza! Anybody want a system??

by DGoodwin＠smcvt.edu

Hi Christian, Get any takers yet? I might be interested in one of the PDP 11 machines, or the VAX 750 if you don't want it. Maybe the VAX 730 but that's a bit iffy. Drop me a note and let me know. Dave > ---------- > From: Christian Fandt[SMTP:cfandt@servtech.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: July 03, 1998 6:05 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: DEC Bonanza! Anybody want a system?? > > Okay gang, here's the story: > > A week ago on Wednesday I literally stumbled across a Usenet advertisement > listing a VAX 11/750, PDP's, etc available for sale. It was *nearby*! > (Well, 50 miles is 'close' compared to any other DEC classics I've seen > for > sale.) And it was in what is generally considered an even more backwater > area in north-western Pennsylvania! I therefore humbly apologize for the > rant a couple of weeks ago stating that virtually nothing of interest to > me > is available around me. > > To make a short story long, I contacted him regarding buying any RT-11 > documentation he may have plus I made an offer on the hardware listed. He > replied saying my offer was acceptable (Great! :-)). Plus, he said he had > more stuff available. We talked on the phone and he mentioned another > system available. Yet other hardware was put into my pile. When I got > there, and after he had a chance to go thru a storage room, more hardware! > > Well, yesterday (3 July) I took a rental truck with a 15' x 7.5' box and > my > uncle, who's in town for the holiday, to pickup the gear. Only truck > available in the area amongst 8 rental truck shops. I thought it might be > more than large enough. I came back home with that thing actually > *stuffed* > full, all for my original bid. NOW there probably is nothing of interest > left around my area <g>. > > We spent about 6.5 hours loading the stuff. Hauled down from second floor > via elevator, through building and down a sidewalk to parking lot. Thank > Heaven the truck had a hydraulic lift gate. Took 2.5 hours to offload into > the garage. > > Now I have two problems: > > 1. My wife. She was not too happy with how the amount of equipment grew > from what was originally expected. Can you blame her? > > 2. My garage. It now is completely full! We've just moved into that house > on 28 March. Beverly wants to park her Jeep in the garage. (See problem > #1) > > Why did I take such a large amount of equipment? The person selling had no > other persons seriously interested. Somebody wanted the uVAX but never > followed through to close a deal. Recall I said that this was a really > backwater area. Nobody like us types in ClassicCmp around there for sure > even though he advertised the DEC stuff in the area newspapers, as I > understand him saying, in addition to at least several newsgroups > (pgh.forsale is the one I stumbled onto while searching DejaNews for > anything about RT-11). He had to close out his offices because he's > located > in California now. Obviously could not take the DEC stuff with him as > you'll understand from the list below. He and his wife are going back home > to California Monday or Tuesday. > > > Therefore, the dumpster would be the final location of this equipment. > > So, this has turned into one of those Classic Computer Rescues to which > some of the members of this list dedicate themselves. > > Problem number 3: I cannot keep everything (again, check the length and > content of the list below and problem #1 above). This is where you folks > can help! > > So, please contact me to come and get some of this equipment for > yourselves > or others. This is urgent as I need to clear out the garage again. > > We got done unloading just before dark last night. Today, I made just a > quick list of major pieces to post. Had NO time yet to look at stuff > further. > > Here's the list. See notes below list. > > 1. VAX 11/750-CA > 2. TU80 and RA81 in short rack, p/o the 750. > 3. RA81 in short rack, p/o the 750. > 4. PDP-11/24 with two RL02s in short rack. > 5. PDP-11/34A > 6. RK07 in short rack, p/o -11/34A. > 7. RK07 in short rack, p/o -11/34A. > 8 VAX 11/730-CA. Covers off chassis, may not work. > 9. PDP-11/34 in 6'rack w/TS03 and RL01-A. > 10. RK07 in short rack. > 11. RK07-PA rack (rack only) > 12. RK07 not in rack. Said to possibly not work. > 13. RA60-AA in short rack. > 14. BA-11 chassis, with several boards inside. > 15. BA-11 chassis, with several boards inside. > 16. BA-11 chassis, with several boards inside in a short rack. > 17. 1-LP25 Band Printer > 18. 3 units: Decwriter III (LA120? gotta check this) > 19. 1-Decwriter II > 20. 4 units: VT100 terminals > 21. 1-VT220 terminal > 23. 2-ADM 11 terminals > 24. RL02, no rack. > 25. RL02, no rack. > 26. RL02, no rack. > 27. RL02, no rack, marked "Bad?". > 28. RL01-A, no rack. > 29. RX02-BA, no rack. > > 30. RL02 in short rack w/some sort of Genigraphics chassis. > 31. MicroPDP-11 > 32. MicroVAX II > 33. Empty 6' rack from old -11/34, labeled Model H960-CF. > 34. Empty 6' rack from something else, labeled Model SM-30LLA-LA. > 35. Bunches of tapes for the various systems. I gotta sort through them > first! > 36. Bunches of RL01 and RL02 disc paks. Several RK07 paks. I gotta sort > through them! > 37. 7' tall tape storage rack. > 38. About 10 to 15 shelf-feet of DEC documentation. > 39. Bunch of spare Unibus and Q-bus boards. > > End. > > Notes: > * I refer to 'short rack' or simply 'rack' as the one which is about 4' > tall. Same styling as VAX cabinet, etc. as some of you already know. > > * The -11/34A, -11/24 and 750 booted okay the day before. > > * I'm still so tired. > > * Types of boards in BA-11's and assembled machines are not listed. Will > do > that when time available or opportunity offers a chance. > > * Same for the bunch of spare boards. > > Now before calling me, I must state the following for you to know up > front: > > ** The uVAX and uPDP are staying here! Beverly thinks they are just fine > (as in 'small' <g>). > > ** One OR two of the bigger systems I want to keep. Don't know which, but > the 750, 11/24, 6-foot 11/34 and 11/34A are in the running for being my > choice along with their appropriate peripherals. I'm asking for advice > from > the DEC gurus in the group on this by private email if you can. Don't > clutter up the list with the advice unless you feel it is necessary to get > opinions. > > **NO documentation will be let go unless it is redundant. That was the > original reason for checking this sale out. I got the RT-11 docs I was > hunting for anyway. > > ** I need to: first sort through the documentation; next organize the > original systems and their spares; finally evaluate what I want to keep. > There will be questions posted here as I've never owned DEC hardware up to > now. I've just been aware of DEC for years and have listened to the many > informative technical discussions here (but I never *retained* much of it > in my mind since I never had any hardware/software to practice it on! Now > there's suddenly a garage-full. Go figure!) Be aware that I'll need help > and may unintentionally come across as a 'newbie', so be nice. I have to > work quickly at resolving this but do not have very many DEC-related URLs > or other reference sources lined up yet. (Send me yours!) > > ** Plan on taking the rest as soon as you can get one or more "Rescue > Brigades" arranged. > > Just pitch-in a few bucks to help with part of my costs (only paid a > little > over 400 dollars for everything *including* truck rental and diesel fuel, > ibuprofin, Coca Cola). Will consider horsetrading. > > ** _Please_ do not hesitate calling me at our home number below 09:00 to > 21:30 this weekend. We have an answering machine if we are outside the > house. We will not be traveling as we have relatives visiting. If you > _really_ have to, you may call me at my office on workdays but I am often > rather busy in other parts of the manufacturing areas. If you *really, > really* have to call during the work day and need to talk to me, my wife > works at the same company and can take the message. Ask for Beverly, phone > 716.661.1843. But try to call the house and find me or leave message > first. > BTW: Don't let Bev tell you to come take _everything_ while I'm at work! > <g> Email is okay too, but I will not be able to read it until sometime > Monday or Tuesday. > > It all has to be out of the garage as soon as possible. Bev is very > understandably kinda pissed off. It's payback time for me. I am not too > happy with the garage either but I could NOT bear to see this stuff > dumpstered. As it was, I had to leave one LP26 Band Printer behind. There > was only exactly one to three inches of space, depending upon which point > you checked, left for the truck door to be pulled down. Truck was piled up > to my height (6', 0"), and even higher in spots. > > Forgive my long message. I'm rather tired and a bit sore yet which causes > me to not be concise or able to organize my thinking well. > > Thanks for helping me rescue DEC equipment. > > --Chris > -- -- > ======================================================= > Christian R. Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian > 31 Houston Avenue, WE Phone: +716-488-1722 -Home > Jamestown, New York +716-661-1832 -Office > 14701-2627 USA Fax: +716-661-1888 -Office fax > email: cfandt(a)servtech.com > Member of Antique Wireless Association > URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/ >

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Help figuring out these boards

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

I brought home some keen boards the other day. I'm hoping you guys can help me figure out what I've got. Firstly, a 4K HP memory board. Part number 02640-60065(?) Date codes are 76-77. Its a long card about 12", and has the edge connector in the center of the board. Looks like it goes into a 98xx series machine? NeXT, I got this NeXT prototyping board. It has the NeXT logo, about 40,000 holes for putting components into, an edge connector with all the pins labelled (presumably goes into the NeXT bus?) and it looks like someone was trying to build something on this. It has a bunch of logic and resistors and some dip switches and 8 LEDs. Looks like a bus monitor or data monitor of some sorts. Too lazy to type up any of the 74xx numbers so never mind. I'll figure this out eventually. And now, the MAI Basic/Four board set. I found these in the same place I found the two items above. This guy was selling a whole set of random boards. So anyway, here's what I found (the number in parenthesis is the Board Detail number): High Speed DMA (904193) Adapter Bus (902211) [connected to the High Speed DMA with a ribbon cable] Terminal Controller x2 (901420) Formatter Bus (901920) Unidentified board (has a bunch of logic...looks like a disk or tape controller) Jumper Board - Carthridge Tape Controller (904049) [basically an 8.5"x11" PCB with nothing but three traces cross-connecting edge connector pins!] 19-slot backplane No CPU board, so I don't have a complete system. It'd be cool to find the rest of this someday. Piece by piece I suppose I will, as today I picked up a Basic/Four keyboard that apparently went with a Basic/Four terminal for free. The guy I got it from said he'd ask the guy he got it from if he has the rest of it or anything else Basic/Four. I've asked about this before I think, but what is the Basic/Four? Isn't it some early 80s mini? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98]

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DECmate III

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: "Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> <To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washing <Subject: DECmate III <Well, today I got around to testing MS-DOS disk images from the PDP-8 <archive on the DECMAte III. It read the disk, said "Starting MS-DOS...", <but then said, "XPU Board Error". It then entered a configuration menu <for the DECMate (cursor, baud, etc.). What is an XPU board? You must have the XPU (8088) board installed, or it's dead. For DECmateIII those are scarce. More common is the APU (z80) board that runs CP/M-80. Allison

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PET 2001

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Could someone please describe the features of a PET 2001 for me? Thanks. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98]

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Help figuring out these boards

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> wrote: > Firstly, a 4K HP memory board. Part number 02640-60065(?) Date codes are > 76-77. Its a long card about 12", and has the edge connector in the > center of the board. Looks like it goes into a 98xx series machine? 4K RAM for a 264X terminal. -Frank McConnell

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Hey, English blokes...what's an Apricot?

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Ok, so I picked up an Apricot today for one whole dollar. I can't make out any model number anywhere on the unit. All I got was the main unit. It has a male DB-9 video connector and a female DB-9 keyboard connector. It also has a DB-25 serial and an Amphenol parallel connector. It has a handle that you can pull out of the case from the front, so I guess it's somewhat portable. It has two 3.5" drives in the front. It simply says "Apricot" between them. No keyboard or display so I can't boot it unfortunately. The UK guys will be able to clue me in right away I'm sure. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98]

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8-bit video cards in new systems?

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Works fine. You can even run a mono/herc card in the same machine with a color display adapter (CGA/EGA/VGA). Just use the mode command to switch between them in DOS, forget what to use in Linux. Type "mode mono" display switches to the mono monitor Type "mode co80" and the display switches to 80x25 color mode on the VGA. At 06:35 PM 7/5/98 -0500, Poesie wrote: >this is newer, but i have several 8bit vid cards and assorted mono/cga >etc type monitors. can i plug in one of those cards in a modernish >system and realistically use it for a display? just need dos & linux >term capabilities, but I'm not sure whether or not the system will like >that, etc. any input here would be very helpful. thanks! > >-Eric > - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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8-bit video cards in new systems?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I would be surprised if it doesn't have MDA or CGA card type. I haven't seen one that doesn't. All Phoenix and Award BIOSes do for sure. I'm not certain about custom BIOSes which are becoming very abundant these days. >I would hope modern BIOSes would include the drivers for MDA and CGA >cards, since they were part of the IBM BIOS. A machine that doesn't can't >claim to be IBM compatible IMHO. On the other hand, having found so many >old features are missing from modern machines, I'd not bet on it. > >> >> -Eric >> > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Dead PSU

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Does that make the solution more complicated? There are about 20 little capacitors, packed like mushrooms. Are you sure it can't be anything else? BTW, if I later unplug it, the fan spins back up again. Maybe I could just disable whatever shuts the thing down? (I'm somewhat squeamish about spending two hours checking each and every capacitor with a hot soldering iron - that'll _really_ dry out my capacitors :) >Aha... 2Hz.... > >Forget all we've said about mains filtering... > >Sounds like the PSU is starting up, detecting a problem, shutting down, etc. >Start by testing/replacing all the output-side electrolytics. They'll be >1000uF-4700uF (I guess), connected (electrically) close to the output >connections, and have voltage ratings <25V. > >On the grounds it works OK off-load, it's unlikely to be any of the other >capacitors in the unit... > > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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(Xpost) Computers to new home

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Someone in the UK, Germany, France or any other close place may want to take advantage of this. Contact the person "Trig" at his/her address at demon.co.uk, not me..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trig <TrigyUk(a)hitch-hikers.demon.co.uk> Salisbury, Wilts U.K. - Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 17:15:08 I have a small collection of 10 - 15yr old apricots, xen, xi and various other related bits. Can anyone help me find a home for these cute computers? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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c64 information

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>From: CharlesII(a)nwonline.net >Subject: c64 information >Do any of you folks know of any electronic recorces for teaching >yourself how to program the c64? You can find the text of the Commodore 64 Programmer's Refernece Guide as well as other Commodore 64 related books at Project 64: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pcgeek/proj64.htm Also you can get BASIC and Machine Language tutorial programs that run on the 64 at: http://207.26.226.221/pub/cbm/ and http://www.funet.fi/pub/cbm/ -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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8" hard sectored disks

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

>> * Dysan 3740/2D, Double sided, Double density, format: >> 128 bytes/26 sectors, index 1 & 2. >Those are soft sectored. How are the holes in the jacket positioned? If >they're symmetrical about a centre line, then it's a flippy disk. If >they're both on the same side of the centre line, then it's a double >sided disk that can also be used in single-sided drives - rare, and they >confuse some DS drives. > Well to be more exact, looking at the disk (label side up) with the disk access window at 6 0'clock, one index hole would be at 12:15 and the other would be at 1:00. They are to one side of center and very close together. So I guess these are not flippy disks. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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Dead PSU

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Sorry, 120 per minute. Sometimes I wonder if _I_ don't have dried-up capacitors :) >> >> On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Max Eskin wrote: >> >> > I counted with a stopwatch. It beat very fast, so it might be even >> > higher than 120Hz, but it certainly is much higher than 60. I don't know >> > if they'll actually let me do this repair anyway. >> >> You counted 120 cycles per second with a _stopwatch_? > >Yes, I wondered about that. 120 per minute is understandable, but 120Hz? >No way. > >> >> ok >> r. >> >> > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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DECmate III

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Well, today I got around to testing MS-DOS disk images from the PDP-8 archive on the DECMAte III. It read the disk, said "Starting MS-DOS...", but then said, "XPU Board Error". It then entered a configuration menu for the DECMate (cursor, baud, etc.). What is an XPU board? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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5.25 Disk Sleeves

by rax＠warbaby.com

Y'all probably know about this site, but if you don't it's worth a visit. It's a humongous collection of 5.25 floppy sleeves: http://www.cyberden.com/sleeves/ R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.

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CSIRAC page for you Aussie's

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Here's a web page for the first computer built in Australia: http://www.ug.cs.su.oz.au/~csir1 I also got this e-mail message from John Geremin of the Australian Computer Museum Society that might be of interest to you: Update ! We have been offered a machine from a Power Station that was in operation for 33 years ! (Slow depreciation !!) It was designed by 'BAILEY Controls' around 1960 - uses germanium transistors (maybe they ran out of spares!) and does NOT use CORE. It weighs about 10 tonne and I am currently trying to organise shipping it from Adelaide to Sydney (about 1000 miles). Regards, John G. (aka 'megaJOHN') .. v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v- John Geremin, PDP-11 Support Consultant, MEGATRONICS, 018-406 365. John Geremin, Treasurer, Australian COMPUTER MUSEUM Society Inc. ( ACMS web page at http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/ ) IN%"geremin(a)decus.org.au" or fax: 61-2- 9764 4679 (24 hours) -^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ --- Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98]

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A funny-assed spam

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

I got this spam and thought it was the funniest thing in the world. Please note that there is ABSOLUTELY NO RELATION to the Computer History Association of California (http://www.chac.ORG). This is just a funny coincidence that Kip Crosby warned about. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1998 22:41:23 +1000 From: "H. McDonald" <hamish(a)hanmail.net> To: Mark Robinson <navail(a)universen.com> Subject: Re: your support You might like to support the hottest adult entertainment site on the net! You'll be glad you did! http://www.chac.com For the best in live phone sex, call these amature girls. These girls are all amature SanMarino residents, answering your calls many are young students working partime give them a call! <remainder expunged>

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Xpost -Cromenco program meeded

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

this is a cross post, if you can help him, please contact the person below: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Barr <jeff(a)vertexdev.com> Redmond, WA USA - Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 21:47:31 Does anyone have the Kaleidoscope program (ca. 1977) for the Cromemco Dazzler, in source or object code form? (A long shot, I know). -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Dead PSU

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I counted with a stopwatch. It beat very fast, so it might be even higher than 120Hz, but it certainly is much higher than 60. I don't know if they'll actually let me do this repair anyway. >I think we need to determine if it really is a 120Hz ripple, or something >near it. If it really is 2* mains frequency, then start looking around >the mains smoothing capacitors first. > It's a very simple PSU, there's a bunch of capacitors, a single small chip, and a couple of every other component and that's it. This does not have the power-on from the keyboard thing. It uses a regular button which cuts mains off from the rest of the PSU. Two questions: what is the definiton of a Switch Mode PSU, and what is a Crowbar? >> >> Don't worry about the complex circuit with thround resistors and >> little capacitors, it's working becasuse of that fluttering fan and >> it did power up when you commanded it to turn on by the keyboard. > >Agreed. This doesn't sound like a control circuit problem (although, >having seen some strange SMPSUs in my time I'd not bet my life on it!. A >few, a very few SMPSUs have a separate linear supply for the control >circuit that can inject mains frequency ripple). > > >> >> Jason D. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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looking for HP-11C...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

HI, I have a friend that is looking for an operational HP-11C, it must be the C (engineering model) model. Or if you know a suitable substuitute (must be RPN) please email me off list. Allison

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Intellec Series II Microcomputer Development System

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Well, I finally got to check out the Intel Development System (ISIS?) I got from Las Vegas. On first glance it looks like it had been exposed to the elements. All of the documentation was warped, had water stains, and most of the reference cards were stuck together. I was able to separate most of them without totally damaging the covers, so most of the information on them is still in tact, but some are just plum stuck. What was the method for separating water damaged pages again? Run it through a steamer at a certain humidity or something? Anyway, the main computer unit itself looks OK on the outside, but I couldn't pull any of the multi-bus cards out. They seemed extremely stuck. Its official model number is MDX 225A. The main unit incorporates the CRT, an 8-inch drive mouted vertically next to the CRT, and a 6-slot card cage mounted horizontally underneath the CRT. It has an external keyboard. I also got an MDX 761A1 hard drive sub-system which looks like it will need extensive restoration as it shows most evidence of exposure to moisture. I don't know if it will ever work again or if I'll ever get any data off the 8-inch hard drive but I'll eventually find out. Also included was a Universal Programmer (model IUP 201) with modules for just about every Intel microcontroller and EPROM and whatnot of the day. It was in fine shape. I also received a large grocery bag filled with 8-inch floppies with the system software circa 1981-82. Overall a nice system but it will require some moderate restoration. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98]

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The Beatles

by mallison＠konnections.com

Packard Bell had a reputation for making computers with pulled and otherwise used parts. They had a seemingly high failure rate. However, recently NEC bought out Packard Bell and the quality and support improved drastically. I, who would never buy one, bought one for my wife's CAD business. That's what I'm using at the time. No Complaints... Mike ---------- From: Jeff Kaneko Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 8:50 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: The Beatles > > I just found a discarded Packard Bell 486 (I almost left it because the > > case looked like a 286's). I don't know why you all dislike those things > > so much, this case is very good. Anyway, when the machine boots, the ROM > > displays a "Packard Bell" graphic, complete with a 3-second fade-in (if > > only people paid so much attention to _useful_ stuff). Underneath, it > > displays, "America grew up listening to us. It still does." Now, this is > > my question. What does this mean? When was this company founded, and > > what was their original product? > > Packard-Bell, as you see it, is simply not the company it used to be. As > with so many American company names, someone bought the name. <Some Defence-Related stuff PB did in the 1950's SNIPed> > I have no idea what happened to Packard-Bell. They may still be around, > doing defense work, or they may have been swallowed up. The Packard-Bells > at CompUSA, however, are simply not related. The way I seen it, P-B may have been a defence contractor during WWII and later, but their main claim to fame was that for decades, they were one of the biggest manufacturers of Broadcast radios, and Television Sets. I know for a fact they were making TV's (of the humongous console variety in vogue at the time) in the early 70's because I remember an inane TV commercial for it. In the 50's and 60's there were some other major players that manufactured TV's (they actually *made* the stuff): Admiral (my grandmother had one), Motorola, GE, RCA and Zenith. Others were: Pilot, Curtis-Mathes (still around, I think), Hofmann, Westinghouse and a whole bunch of other minor players. Then the Japanese arrived (en force) in the mid 70's, and the next thing we knew thousands of americans were out of work, and no Televisions (or Computer monitors, for that matter) were made domestically. Packard-Bell was one of these victims. I don't know who is behind the resurrection of the P-B brandname. I suspect they wanted to appeal to baby-boomers who fondly remember watching 'Hopalong', 'Cisco' or 'Bonanza' on their parents' Packard Bell console TV. Jeff > > By the way, Packard-Bell has nothing to do with HP. > > William Donzelli > william(a)ans.net > > > > +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Disclaimer: | | | | These opinions are entirely my own, and in no way reflect the | | policies or opinions of my employer. | | | +------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Dead PSU

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

So how do I know which ones to replace? There are two fairly large cans, about a dozen smaller ones, and several mica caps. >First suggestion : Dried up capacitors. If you have an ESR meter (and I >don't either...) then test all the electrolytics in the unit. Replace any >that are defective. If you don't have an ESR meter, then you might try >replacing them anyway. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Dead PSU

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 08:23 AM 7/4/98 PDT, you wrote: >This is not quite on topic. I want to know if it's practical to repair a >Mac Quadra's PSU. The problem is that it runs fine, when not plugged >into anything. When some given amount of stuff is connected (just the >motherboard does it), the fan starts oscillationg back and forth. When I >plug in speakers they make a beating sound. I counted it to be about 120 >HZ. This seems to me like a single component, possibly a diode. >Suggestions? > Is it a switching PSU? I would guess so. Many do not regulate well under no load, as there is a minimum current and switching on time required. It may be also that a main high-voltage filter capacitor is bad, feeding more raw AC into the switching stage. The 120Hz points to this. Under light loads, the output low voltage filter capacitors are enough. Under heavier loads, the line AC ripple is seen in the outputs which now cannot hold the voltages. Use caution on the high voltage side. -Dave

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Please help identify this S-100 computer

by altair8800＠hotmail.com

I recently acquired this S-100 computer. It says "Micropolis" on one of the PC cards and on a nameplate on the front of the floppy drive. It carries a tag inside which says the manufacturer is INTEGRAND - Visalia, CA. and the model is 800D-4E. Can anyone please tell me more about it? Here is a link to photos I have uploaded... http://home.att.net/~rwood54741/Computer.jpg Thanks, Bob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Please help identify this S-100 computer

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> says the manufacturer is INTEGRAND - Visalia, CA. <> and the model is 800D-4E. Intergrand made boxes only. They made some of the best s100 crate in the industry. Rugged, well cooled and well thought out. Allison

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DECStation 3100 available

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Doug, if still have the DS3100, i would take it ;-)) cheers, emanuel ---------- > From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: DECStation 3100 available > Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 6:25 PM > > On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, emanuel stiebler wrote: > > > THIS IS A VAXSTATION, NOT A DECSTATION. > > If anybody was disappointed, and really wants a DECStation 3100 > (MIPS-based unix box), I've got one that is free as long as you pick it up > from Santa Clara, Ca. > > -- Doug

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Im back

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

Hi ,my server had me down since june27 and deleted all my msgs. Was I pissed-off !@$#@!@!$ I'm up and running again now. Could anyone please resend any msgs you might have sent me during that time. Thank you. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

This is not quite on topic. I want to know if it's practical to repair a Mac Quadra's PSU. The problem is that it runs fine, when not plugged into anything. When some given amount of stuff is connected (just the motherboard does it), the fan starts oscillationg back and forth. When I plug in speakers they make a beating sound. I counted it to be about 120 HZ. This seems to me like a single component, possibly a diode. Suggestions? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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DEC Bonanza! Anybody want a system??

by cfandt＠servtech.com

Okay gang, here's the story: A week ago on Wednesday I literally stumbled across a Usenet advertisement listing a VAX 11/750, PDP's, etc available for sale. It was *nearby*! (Well, 50 miles is 'close' compared to any other DEC classics I've seen for sale.) And it was in what is generally considered an even more backwater area in north-western Pennsylvania! I therefore humbly apologize for the rant a couple of weeks ago stating that virtually nothing of interest to me is available around me. To make a short story long, I contacted him regarding buying any RT-11 documentation he may have plus I made an offer on the hardware listed. He replied saying my offer was acceptable (Great! :-)). Plus, he said he had more stuff available. We talked on the phone and he mentioned another system available. Yet other hardware was put into my pile. When I got there, and after he had a chance to go thru a storage room, more hardware! Well, yesterday (3 July) I took a rental truck with a 15' x 7.5' box and my uncle, who's in town for the holiday, to pickup the gear. Only truck available in the area amongst 8 rental truck shops. I thought it might be more than large enough. I came back home with that thing actually *stuffed* full, all for my original bid. NOW there probably is nothing of interest left around my area <g>. We spent about 6.5 hours loading the stuff. Hauled down from second floor via elevator, through building and down a sidewalk to parking lot. Thank Heaven the truck had a hydraulic lift gate. Took 2.5 hours to offload into the garage. Now I have two problems: 1. My wife. She was not too happy with how the amount of equipment grew >from what was originally expected. Can you blame her? 2. My garage. It now is completely full! We've just moved into that house on 28 March. Beverly wants to park her Jeep in the garage. (See problem #1) Why did I take such a large amount of equipment? The person selling had no other persons seriously interested. Somebody wanted the uVAX but never followed through to close a deal. Recall I said that this was a really backwater area. Nobody like us types in ClassicCmp around there for sure even though he advertised the DEC stuff in the area newspapers, as I understand him saying, in addition to at least several newsgroups (pgh.forsale is the one I stumbled onto while searching DejaNews for anything about RT-11). He had to close out his offices because he's located in California now. Obviously could not take the DEC stuff with him as you'll understand from the list below. He and his wife are going back home to California Monday or Tuesday. Therefore, the dumpster would be the final location of this equipment. So, this has turned into one of those Classic Computer Rescues to which some of the members of this list dedicate themselves. Problem number 3: I cannot keep everything (again, check the length and content of the list below and problem #1 above). This is where you folks can help! So, please contact me to come and get some of this equipment for yourselves or others. This is urgent as I need to clear out the garage again. We got done unloading just before dark last night. Today, I made just a quick list of major pieces to post. Had NO time yet to look at stuff further. Here's the list. See notes below list. 1. VAX 11/750-CA 2. TU80 and RA81 in short rack, p/o the 750. 3. RA81 in short rack, p/o the 750. 4. PDP-11/24 with two RL02s in short rack. 5. PDP-11/34A 6. RK07 in short rack, p/o -11/34A. 7. RK07 in short rack, p/o -11/34A. 8 VAX 11/730-CA. Covers off chassis, may not work. 9. PDP-11/34 in 6'rack w/TS03 and RL01-A. 10. RK07 in short rack. 11. RK07-PA rack (rack only) 12. RK07 not in rack. Said to possibly not work. 13. RA60-AA in short rack. 14. BA-11 chassis, with several boards inside. 15. BA-11 chassis, with several boards inside. 16. BA-11 chassis, with several boards inside in a short rack. 17. 1-LP25 Band Printer 18. 3 units: Decwriter III (LA120? gotta check this) 19. 1-Decwriter II 20. 4 units: VT100 terminals 21. 1-VT220 terminal 23. 2-ADM 11 terminals 24. RL02, no rack. 25. RL02, no rack. 26. RL02, no rack. 27. RL02, no rack, marked "Bad?". 28. RL01-A, no rack. 29. RX02-BA, no rack. 30. RL02 in short rack w/some sort of Genigraphics chassis. 31. MicroPDP-11 32. MicroVAX II 33. Empty 6' rack from old -11/34, labeled Model H960-CF. 34. Empty 6' rack from something else, labeled Model SM-30LLA-LA. 35. Bunches of tapes for the various systems. I gotta sort through them first! 36. Bunches of RL01 and RL02 disc paks. Several RK07 paks. I gotta sort through them! 37. 7' tall tape storage rack. 38. About 10 to 15 shelf-feet of DEC documentation. 39. Bunch of spare Unibus and Q-bus boards. End. Notes: * I refer to 'short rack' or simply 'rack' as the one which is about 4' tall. Same styling as VAX cabinet, etc. as some of you already know. * The -11/34A, -11/24 and 750 booted okay the day before. * I'm still so tired. * Types of boards in BA-11's and assembled machines are not listed. Will do that when time available or opportunity offers a chance. * Same for the bunch of spare boards. Now before calling me, I must state the following for you to know up front: ** The uVAX and uPDP are staying here! Beverly thinks they are just fine (as in 'small' <g>). ** One OR two of the bigger systems I want to keep. Don't know which, but the 750, 11/24, 6-foot 11/34 and 11/34A are in the running for being my choice along with their appropriate peripherals. I'm asking for advice from the DEC gurus in the group on this by private email if you can. Don't clutter up the list with the advice unless you feel it is necessary to get opinions. **NO documentation will be let go unless it is redundant. That was the original reason for checking this sale out. I got the RT-11 docs I was hunting for anyway. ** I need to: first sort through the documentation; next organize the original systems and their spares; finally evaluate what I want to keep. There will be questions posted here as I've never owned DEC hardware up to now. I've just been aware of DEC for years and have listened to the many informative technical discussions here (but I never *retained* much of it in my mind since I never had any hardware/software to practice it on! Now there's suddenly a garage-full. Go figure!) Be aware that I'll need help and may unintentionally come across as a 'newbie', so be nice. I have to work quickly at resolving this but do not have very many DEC-related URLs or other reference sources lined up yet. (Send me yours!) ** Plan on taking the rest as soon as you can get one or more "Rescue Brigades" arranged. Just pitch-in a few bucks to help with part of my costs (only paid a little over 400 dollars for everything *including* truck rental and diesel fuel, ibuprofin, Coca Cola). Will consider horsetrading. ** _Please_ do not hesitate calling me at our home number below 09:00 to 21:30 this weekend. We have an answering machine if we are outside the house. We will not be traveling as we have relatives visiting. If you _really_ have to, you may call me at my office on workdays but I am often rather busy in other parts of the manufacturing areas. If you *really, really* have to call during the work day and need to talk to me, my wife works at the same company and can take the message. Ask for Beverly, phone 716.661.1843. But try to call the house and find me or leave message first. BTW: Don't let Bev tell you to come take _everything_ while I'm at work! <g> Email is okay too, but I will not be able to read it until sometime Monday or Tuesday. It all has to be out of the garage as soon as possible. Bev is very understandably kinda pissed off. It's payback time for me. I am not too happy with the garage either but I could NOT bear to see this stuff dumpstered. As it was, I had to leave one LP26 Band Printer behind. There was only exactly one to three inches of space, depending upon which point you checked, left for the truck door to be pulled down. Truck was piled up to my height (6', 0"), and even higher in spots. Forgive my long message. I'm rather tired and a bit sore yet which causes me to not be concise or able to organize my thinking well. Thanks for helping me rescue DEC equipment. --Chris -- -- ======================================================= Christian R. Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian 31 Houston Avenue, WE Phone: +716-488-1722 -Home Jamestown, New York +716-661-1832 -Office 14701-2627 USA Fax: +716-661-1888 -Office fax email: cfandt(a)servtech.com Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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IBM monochrome, was Wang Thang

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi all, At 07:35 PM 7/3/98 +0100, Tony Duell wrote: ... >> The IBM Mono Emulator board is labeled "P C Emulator" and "WANG >> 9443-R2-M2" and has two 28-pin EPROMs on it labeled "HN482764G-2". There > >8K*8 EPROMS. >> are five 28-pin chips from Toshiba labeled "TC5565PC-15". There is also a > >RAM, I think. Possibly video RAM. > >> 40-pin chip labeled "HD46505SP/HD6845SP". The rest is TTL. > >6845 CRT controller (basically the timing chain for the video section). > >Is there another 24 pin chip (EPROM or ROM) on this board as a character >generator? I would have expected one. Unless one of the 5565s is used for >that and loaded from disk or something. > Did the early IBM mono boards have a character generator, like in serial terminals? I thought I had one, but it is a clone, still with a 6845 and 64k dynamic ram, 8 ic's. There is a 6116 2k byte ram on it, in a socket, which I assume is loaded from the BIOS with the character data. See no ROM. Newer boards with (almost) a single ASIC chip, I have no idea what they do. -Dave

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Back On Line

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

Hi ,my server had me down since june27 and deleted all my msgs. Was I pissed-off !@$#@!@!$ I'm up and running again now. Could anyone who might have sent me any msgs. during that time please resend . Thank you. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Terminals I need to get out of here

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>I need to hear from someone and get a firm answer by Friday July 5th or >they go the way of the dead TV - to the dump. Isn't the next fiday July 5th in 2006? Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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Wang Thang

by blindpete＠stratos.net

On 1998-07-03 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said: BP{> > The not so funy thing about the monotor is the power and BP{>data cords > coming out of it both had the same plug on the end BP{>of them, and pluging the > data plug in to the power socket on BP{the vidio card was a hasard. > BP{> Ouch! And if my machine is the same, this would disprove my BP{>theory about the plugs, unless the 8-pin connector that I think BP{>might be for the video actually just mated with a 5-pin connector. BP{A 5 pin DIN plug will mate with a 7 or 8 pin socket (!). Just what BP{you need to cause problems IMHO. BP{Which way round do you think the connectors are? BP{-tony Hi Tony Everyone I think the two cables coming from the monotor wore stuck togather like a two contuctor lamp cord would be stuck togather, you could separate the two cords by pulling apart. I think the power cable was the one on the left as you are looking at the monotor from the front, like you would to see what's on it. Sliding your hand along the under side fo the monotor from front to back you would find the cables entering the botom of the monotor case. Each cable had it's own round molded thingy whitch was fixec to the monotor case, so you could tel witch one was witch. I am not sure about the markings on the monotor case, it felt like smooth plastic to me around rhe place whrer the cables went into the monotor. The pie shaped symble stands for a cathode ray toob. The cable on the leftof the monotor looking from the front went into the whole on the left of the Wang computer looking at it also from the front. and the cable on the right went in to the whole on the right, I think that's the way it went togather. Pete Persuric Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered

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8" Disks Update

by billm＠teleport.com

Greetings, I finally went to the Storage Unit and this is what I have. All DYSAN 8" Disks 3740/1 Single Density Unformatted 3740/1D Single sided double Density Formatted as 128 Bytes/ 26 sectors 101/1D single Sided Double Density 32 HARD Sectors 3740/2D Double Sided Double Density Formatted 1024 bytes/8 sectors Many Boxes of Each all in Original Shrink wrapped Boxes $5 a box and we will haggle on the delivery The more you buy the cheaper they get! Also several Versions of the Dysan Alignment disks.. Make Offer all brand new <sigh Finally I kept something long enough that someone wants it> Bill Marx

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what cost profit? (philosophical rant but slightly on topic)

by peacock＠simconv.com

-----Original Message----- From: George Currie [mailto:g@kurico.com] > So let me get this straight, if you had an opportunity to buy an item that is potentially worth $30000+ for only $1000 you would all pass it up? Hard to believe. Well I guess everyone else on this list is so rich that the thought of making 30x profit is nothing. Me on the other hand, even if I _hated_ Apple, wouldn't pass up such a bargain. > Not everyone is in it for the money. This is a hobby, not a business. If I were a broker sure I'd take it, but that's not what I do. I write programs, I build controllers, I don't broker used equipment. I have a slot machine in my living room (and yes its legal, I live in Nevada). I could sell it for several times what I paid for it (even more if I sell it no questions asked), but it's there because I think the internal mechanisms are a work of art. I have some old radios from the 30's, again, I could sell them for more than I have invested, but the radios are there because they are works of engineering art too, for my enjoyment. And I enjoy owning them more than what the money I would get from them would bring me. The same with the computers. I'm sure I could get a good price for my '77 vintage IMSAI, in fact I got a few email offers the first time I mentioned it, but I'm not going to sell it. I bought it to own my own computer, I learned just about all I know about digital electronics from the years prototyping on it, and it still has a prominent place on my work table at home. It's a work of art too, even more because I put it together myself, I made it work, and I've kept it going all these years without help from anyone else. I put far more money into that machine than I ever got back in business, but that doesn't matter. Every dollar I spent on it paid off in other ways, personal satisfaction, knowledge, even entertainment at times. I don't buy equipment, be it computers, radios, or slot machines, because I think I'll make money on the deal. I do other things to make a living, I'll leave investing in antiquities and object d'art to the experts. Jack Peacock

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Win98 on Compaq (and others)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-07-03 22:22:55 EDT, you write: << Anyone that's having problems putting the ever-terrible Windows 98 on your Compaq machine should view: http://www.compaq.com/athome/win98/ Keep it real, only machines that 98 could run on, not the oldies. >> harrrumph, don't feel bad, it seems like almost 100% failure rate when end users are upgrading to windont98 on IBM aptiva models as well. seems to be that there's always something that is not working correctly. so much for backwards compatibility! most users dont also know about fat32. once you convert, you cant go back and you cannot do the best thing which is remove 98 altogether! david

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DEC Bonanza! Anybody want a system??

by blindpete＠stratos.net

Hi Every One This sounds really great! I am blind and do have a love for machinery mechanical as well as eletrical, What I know about computers is self learned, I always wanted to aquire a main frame computer, so I could learn about it. I am building a small net work of my own, could I use a main frame as a hub, I know it might be a dumb question, but you don't know unless you ask, right? I ran across the garage full of computer equiptment and thought here is my chance. But, I don't know about the equiptment and am looking for imput. What do you think? Can we get me setup? I'll found a speech synthasiser screenreader for unix based systems, here again do to lack of familarity I don't know what OS these machines are using. Any impute or coments would be fine! Write to: blindpete(a)stratos.net or: blndpete(a)raex.com Again thanks! Pete Persuric Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered

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Win98 on Compaq

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Anyone that's having problems putting the ever-terrible Windows 98 on your Compaq machine should view: http://www.compaq.com/athome/win98/ Keep it real, only machines that 98 could run on, not the oldies. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Making Profits (Was Re: LISA (fwd))

by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 02:18 AM 03-07-98 -0700, Kevan Heydon wrote: >Saying this my collection could start making a profit soon because I have >one of my old machines out on loan to a company that is paying me. I >didn't ask for the money, they offered. I've loaned out bits of my PDP-8A via a friend to an organization that still uses them to drive some machinery (I've never asked, and no one has ever offered to tell me what they're used for - I just know that it's something in a government department. Perhaps it's being used for code breaking :-) I've never asked for money, but surprisingly, the bits always return in a box with a nice bottle (port or whisky). I feel happy to have helped and it's just a nice gesture to attach something on it's return. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

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c64 information

by CharlesII＠nwonline.net

CL>CharlesII(a)nwonline.net wrote: CL>> Do any of you folks know of any electronic recorces for teaching CL>> yourself how to program the c64? CL> Try Jim Brain's page at http://www.jbrain.com/ as there are many CL>C64/128 links there. I have a C64 BASIC 2 programming manual I never use CL>that I might sell. CL> -------------------------------------------------------------------- CL> Russ Blakeman CL> RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 CL> Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 CL> Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com CL> Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ CL> ICQ UIN #1714857 CL> AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" CL> * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* CL> -------------------------------------------------------------------- There dosen't seem to be any links at the web page mentioned. Are you shure that is the right address?

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LISA (fwd)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

OK, now so I know how much these things are worth besides how much the buyer wants to pay for it, would you people pay this much? >Respond directly to the seller, not to me, if you want his Lisa 2. If it >turns out to be a Lisa 1, don't tell me about it :-) > >-- Doug >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:27:07 +0000 >From: Rich Bull <rbull(a)post.cis.smu.edu> >Subject: LISA > >Mine has a 5 or 10 meg hard drive....Its a completed system with mouse and >keyboard and is in exceptional condition...neat little machine...If your >interested I need $200.00 and you pay shipping... > >Thanks >rbull(a)mail.smu.edu > >Richard E. Bull email: rbull(a)mail.smu.edu >Information Technology Services voice: (214)768-3450 >Southern Methodist University Fax: (214)768-9999 >Dallas, Texas 75275-0262 > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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I think I'm going to be sick

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 08:07 AM 7/3/98 -0400, you wrote: > >I went back to the Salvation Army store where I picked up the Wang PC last >week, and was shocked to find that ALL of the computer junk had been >replaced by shelves full of lamp shades! > <snippage) > >I asked the employees what had happened to all that 'old computer junk', >and was told that it had all been THROWN OUT LAST WEEK. :( I was assured >that it was already gone, not just sitting in a dumpster outside. Sad, but be warned... If they are anything like the ones up here, while they will usually refuse to negociate even a little bit on a price, they also will not hesitate to call the police if they find someone 'dumpster diving', since they convieniently manage to rationalize it as 'theft'. (and no, it was not me in the dumpster...) An odd lot that... Even more annoying when I heard a story on the news yesterday that the 'Goodwill' stores are a $36 million per year business! When you consider that (nearly) all of the items they are selling are donated, one might think that they could afford to be a bit less militant. -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Wang Thang

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 blindpete(a)stratos.net wrote: > Hi > > I used to have an old wang whith a 8086 cpu in it, it had a monotor whith > two cords coming out of it. > one was power and the other one was for the data, they both pluged into > the card whith two plugs on it. > the one I had used the round ps2 stile plug maybe a little bigger, like a > keyboard plug. Humm, sounds like the monitor plugs into the IBM Mono Emulator card, then. It has a 5-pin DIN connector and an 8-pin DIN connector. I would suspect that the one labeled with the (+) might be the power, and the one labeled with the pie slice might be the video connector. The IBM Mono Emulator card din't look like it had parts on it that could handle supplying power to a monitor, though. I hope the Wang monitor isn't too specialized, else I'll NEVER get to see this thing work! I think I'll plug another machine into it today, using a null modem, to see if the Wang expects a terminal hanging off its serial port. Pray that nothing blows up. > Pete Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/

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LISA (fwd)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Agreed. I've not bought a new computer for over 10 years (!). The last <machine I bought was a Tandy CoCo3. Everything else (apart from my HP48SX <calculator, which came in the 'it's a neat toy that I just have to have' <category) is even older. The only machines I've purchased new are the Altair, NS* horizon and a complete TI99/4a when they were having the firesale. It's been a while since I've purchased new systems. Over the years I think the biggest purchase was memory and disks! Some of the most fun machines were free or just about that. Allison

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8" hard sectored disks

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 02:32 PM 7/2/98 -0700, you wrote: >Wern't the original Altair 8 inch drives hard sectored? Yes... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Whheee! Saved from a dumpster...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I'm looking for a reason why they went to the trouble of making it. What are the voltages on it? I don't actually have any of the hardware, just wondering. >the DIN connector on the back of the machine? Exactly for that. Is max >looking for a 12v mono amber monitor for one? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Russ Blakeman > RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 > Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 > Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com > Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ > ICQ UIN #1714857 > AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" > * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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OS/2 Warp

by mallison＠konnections.com

Max: I saw a copy at Bookman's on INA in Tucson AZ for 10.00 yesterday. Maybe someone could get you a phone number, I know they'd ship it. I'm back home now, or I'd pick it up for you.... Mike ---------- From: Max Eskin Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 12:23 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: OS/2 Warp I know this is less than 10 yrs. old, but somone offered OS/2 warp here and I forget who it was. I'll take if it's not too expensive. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Apple //gs composite video prob

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 2 Jul 98 at 17:43, R. Stricklin (kjaeros) wrote: > I just picked up a ROM v01 //gs at a thrift shop. > > The colour composite video it generates is very badly artifacted. On my > ][plus, there is a 'colour trim' adjustment which I would expect to > correct this on the mainboard, but I didn't see anything like this on the > //gs. Sorry, I can't help with this bit. > Also, the colours are pale and incorrect when I use my Apple // RGB > monitor (the one with the electric tilt) on the RGB port. This monitor > doesn't work on the RGB port of my //c at all, so I'm wondering if it's > just a matter of not being quite the right monitor for the //gs (which > has, if I recall, a monitor more closely styled along Mac lines). Apple IIGS RGB port = analogue signal at NTSC frequency. This port requires the specific RGB display for the IIGS, early multi sync displays from Sony and NEC, many Amiga and Atari displays etc but NOT VGA. Apple // RGB tilt monitor = digital display, surely. You'll get some display from the IIGS on it but as you say the colours are wrong. Apple //c RGB port = raw RGB signal. It requires an adapter to convert it to something a monitor will understand. Alltech Electronics sell adapters for analogue and digital displays, I understand. Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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I think I'm going to be sick

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I went back to the Salvation Army store where I picked up the Wang PC last week, and was shocked to find that ALL of the computer junk had been replaced by shelves full of lamp shades! I am NOT joking, they actually had shelves full of lamp shades where only one week earlier they had too much cool old electronic junk for me to carry, or even to look at properly. I was really happy a couple of months ago when the place 'reawakened' and started filling up with interesting stuff again. But now I know that the SOURCE of the computer stuff has probably always been there, it's just that the Salvation Army store has been keeping it from me! I asked the employees what had happened to all that 'old computer junk', and was told that it had all been THROWN OUT LAST WEEK. :( I was assured that it was already gone, not just sitting in a dumpster outside. I now feel really badly that I didn't go back on Friday morning to rescue that IBM-PC that was full of cards, that Tandy 1000TX, those magnetic strip card readers, the VIC 1541, and that cool-looking grey and rounded Olivetti screen. In my defense all I can say is that I assumed I'd have another chance at them this week, and that I expected the biggest threat to be someone else buying them before I got back. But my competition is my friend, not my enemy. Unfortunately, my competition seems only to be interested in the VIC-20s, Commodore 64s, Atari 800s, and Apple //s, which all tended to disappear from the shelves fairly quickly. Now I'm hoping someone else DID pick up some of that stuff before it was thrown in the dumpster. I guess that Wang came to within two days of the end of its electronic life, and I am grateful that at least I was able to rescue it. But I would have liked to have had a good look at all of the monitors and terminals before they were turfed, because the one that was used with the Wang may have been among them. I'm feeling really depressed about this. And one thing that pisses me off is that they've still got a large shelf full of speakers, turntables, 8-track decks, old stereos etc. Why the hell would they keep that stuff, but toss the computers? There's a funky-looking 8-track + stereo receiver thing that has been in the store for YEARS, yet they won't hold onto old computers for more than a couple of months before the whole lot gets tossed into the trash? Well DAMN THEM TO HELL, and damn ME for not being more vigilant. I went back for the PC yesterday, despite the fact that I hadn't had ANY sleep the night before, and the fact that I'd have to carry it with me to work and then to class afterward. I thought I was going a little crazy for even considering it (I'm built like Stick Man), but now I wish I had attempted to rescue MORE stuff last week. Dammit, I wish I had dragged ALL the stuff I wanted to the desk and paid for it, and had them sit it in a back room until I could come back for it. Dammit, I wish there had been some sort of warning. Anyway, the total lack of anything interesting on the junk shelves did get me to look through the books. And I did find a few interesting things there (but nothing that'll make me any happier about those trashed computers). I guess I'm going to have to find out where those trashed computers GO. Anyway, the books I picked up were: Programmer's Guide to GEM (Balma & Filter, SYBEX 1986) Programming in Assembly Language: MACRO-11 (Edward F. Sowell, Addison-Wesley 1984) PC to VAX: A Communications Guide (Sandler & Badgett, Scott, Foresman and Company, 1990) Getting Started With Color BASIC (1981 Tandy Corporation) I think I may have to have a garage sale to sell some of the non-computer books I have, so that I can do something better with the computer books I keep buying than stacking them on the floor. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/

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Video Game Crash of 1983

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> From: Tom Owad <tomowad(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: old AOL disks > > .... (Bill von Meister had been one > >of the founders of The Source which was bought by > >Readers Digest) > > What ever happened to The Source? When did they shut down and why? I think they were bought out by Compuserve (or possibly America On-Line). And they were shut down in favor of their new owner's already existing services. > > > Video game crash of '83? Would you please explain? In the early 80s there was a home video game boom started by the home game PONG and all it's clones then Atari produced one of the first popular cartridge programmable games, the 2600. Not soon after that there were probably a dozen competitors including Matell (Intellivisaion), Magnavox (Oddesy), Balley (Astrocade), etc. By about 1983 there was a major glut of game machines and cartridges, too many to support the market... Then the bottom fell out around 1983 with the avent of cheaper home computers with just as good (if not better) game playing ability, which started capturing the attenetion of the masses and the gamers stopped buying video games in favor of computers, many of the game companies were hit REALLY hard and some folded. Of course this was the start of the home computer wars. :) Some were able to 're-tool' for home computer games and did quite well. I still miss the old Electronic Games Magazine that folded in around 1984 or so... One of the few magazines that did good reviews on the home and arcade game machines. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Fw: Old Radio Shack computers -FREE

by fauradon＠pclink.com

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Terminals I need to get out of here

by rhblake＠bibtel.com

Well I had been holding some older terminals for a guy that I'd already shipped some things to in the past to find that he's going to have to move and the items I had on hold won't be going to him after all. They all work and look good and they're going for FREE but you get to pay shipping, advance. I have the following (again) Visual 102 with keyboard DEC VT 220, no keyboard DEC VT 1xx (I have to check to see if it's a 100 or 131), no keyboard I need to hear from someone and get a firm answer by Friday July 5th or they go the way of the dead TV - to the dump. I also have one last HP 700/44 terminal with keyboard/cable like new and very functional, amber screen, current loop and serial connections, emaulates a few terminal types that I would like $15 plus shipping for. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Whheee! Saved from a dumpster...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Well, I am letting three Compaq deskpros rot in the rain outside- I just have nothing for them to do. I'm sure they still work. Anyone know what compaq made that godforsaken power interface for? >Saved a Compaq Portable(w/5.25" FD and unknown 5.25" FH HD) from a >dumpster... AFTER a 10 foot flight into it! Plugged it in and it still >works... Needs some repairs, I can hear stuff rattling around inside, but >it does work... Booted from the hard drive with Compaq DOS 3.31. Also got a >MasterSport 386SL(386SX-20, 4MB RAM, 63MB HD) and a 486 motherboard(gonna >set it up with Linux or something). Also getting a 1970 VW Bug for my >birthday next week... I suppose this makes it a good day despite the belt >clip on my radio breaking this morning(now I get to make a nice metal one >to replace the broken plastic one). > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >| http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers | >| http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek | >| Orham(a)qth.net list admin KD7BCY | >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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OS/2 Warp

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I know this is less than 10 yrs. old, but somone offered OS/2 warp here and I forget who it was. I'll take if it's not too expensive. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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c64 information

by CharlesII＠nwonline.net

Do any of you folks know of any electronic recorces for teaching yourself how to program the c64?

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Way to identify original IBM-PC?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

This is not sure-fire, but I've found that if the big label on the back does NOT have the notice "contains copyrighted code..." that it's most likely an original version. Kai -----Original Message----- From: Doug Spence [mailto:ds_spenc@alcor.concordia.ca] Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 2:01 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Way to identify original IBM-PC? Hi, I was wondering if there's a surefire way of telling if an IBM-PC has its original motherboard, without opening the case. I saw one at the Salvation Army today and was considering dragging it home (though I decided to take another machine instead). The machine did have a cassette port in the back, with a femal DIN connector. Is this attached to the motherboard? The machine also had a full complement of cards in its slots, with lots of ports coming out of it. And a 3.5" drive that was poorly fitted into the case. I'm wondering if I should make a trip downtown sometime this weekend, with the car. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/

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principals in online selling? (was: IMSAI 8080)

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 02:51 AM 6/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >> For Sale: >> >> IMSAI 8080 Microcomputer >[...] >> Asking price: $300 > >After a round of email bidding, the seller sez: >> IT SOLD FOR $1000. THAMKS FOR THE RESPONSE. > >Somebody recently suggested that it would be better to offer stuff >directly to readers of this list rather than advertising them via online >auction. The last IMSAI that sold on eBay went for around $650, I think. > >FWIW, >Doug (still IMSAI-less) Well... while it may not improve the price, it may improve the audience... B^} While trying to NOT reignite another flame war (which I probably contribute to), the qualifier on this idea might be that when you post something, post it with an acceptable price. IMHO that should not be a difficult proposition for someone who is looking for a good home for a piece of equipment. If you are just going to relocate an auction, then you are probably only in it for the money! (boy, am I gonna get yelled at for THAT one) What really scrapes my oxide is an approach that I am starting to see more often in postings in and newsgroups. (it has happened to me twice now in the last month) Someone posts an item with an asking price. I respond to the message with a counter offer. The seller responds with a counter-counter offer that I find acceptable. I respond to the message with my acceptance and provide shipping details. The seller then responded back indicating that he has received a higher offer and that the unit has been sold without so much as an opportunity for further response. Now, maybe it is just me... But from my view when responded with a counter to my offer, we were in the midst of transacting a deal and I should have 'right of first refusal' until the point that either we make the deal or I decide I don't want it. I don't appreciate multi-thread dealing going on without being informed. And it was not like there were any extended delays between these messages. The entire series of exchanges occurred over less than 24 hours. Very similar for the second occurrance I mentioned above... BTW: a HERO-2000 auction just closed on eBay for $4027.78... (sheesh!) -jim (the obviously overly idealistic one...) --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Whheee! Saved from a dumpster...

by franke＠sbs.de

>>> Hint: Windows98 is Windows95 with the '5' replaced with an '8'. >> It should be only a minor correction - just adding a 2^1 bit to >> get Win97, but due a litte mathematical problem they realy inverted >> the lower nibble before inverting the 2^1 .... :) > Am I missing something? Ya > 95 = 1011111 > 98 = 1100010 95 = 00111001 00110101 (ASCII) or 10010101 (BCD) 98 = 00111001 00111000 (ASCII)or 10011000 (BCD) Or do you realy belive they have changed any code beside this byte ? >> The rest is history:) Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Wang Thang

by blindpete＠stratos.net

Hi Yes a reality, and a nic name I got from some friends. I don't remember the key stroke to open a new file or to save to disk, but it had some thing to do whith function key 3 or 4 I think remember it's been a while, after the function key a letter I am not sure whitch letter opened a new fiel whith a prompt for a file name: you typed in the file name pressed enter and you wore in the word prosessor, and could type what ever in. I used it mostly to write messages on from calls ect, I would leave it on all day, and get some help later on some one would read it back to me so I could braille it out. The drive was ten MB and had Wang dos on it and the word prosser was also on it. The monotor was a Wang monotor, I don't know if they are still available. This Wang I had was baught at a flee market, a fellow had 20 or 30 of them he was selling complete for $25 about ten years ago. A friend saw it and snagged one for me he knew I was interested in computers, and thought it would make a interesting birthday present for me. I sold it eventually because I couldn't het a sinthasiser that would work in the card slots, they worent ISA or any thing like that, not sure what they wore. Pete Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered

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Find: "Z80 Starter Kit" - any hints?

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Ethan and all, At 01:44 AM 7/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >Yo, > > Z80 Starter Kit > SDS SD Systems > (C) 1978 MICRO DESIGN CONCEPTS > >It packs a Z80 w/PIO and CTC, 8 socketed 2101L RAMs (and room for 8 more!), >a prototyping area (with labeled address and data bits right there), and two >(unpopulated) S-100 slots (with pads for -/+16V and +8V) In addition, there's >jacks for a cassette tape drive (and buttons labelled "cass load" and "cass >dump"), and below the ROM socket (w/masked programmed ROM "Z-BUG"), a toggle >switch ("PGM"/"READ") and a 24-pin DIP socket marked "PRO PROGRAMMER". > >With all that, I still have questions: > > o Is there any info on this? It looks much like a SYM-1 or Elf > of the day, but with a Z-80. > > o What ROMs might it program? 1702? (unlikely because of a lack of > odd power supply voltages) 2708? There is a pad at one edge of > the board that snakes over to the PGM/READ button, marked +25V. > I simply do not know which particular 1978 ROMs used that particular > programming voltage. > > o Why might I have heard of "Z-BUG"? Was it a famous monitor program > for the Z-80 boards of the late 70's? > > o If I can't find a good use for this, does anyone want to make me > an offer for it? I promise that I won't just go out and post it > on E-overpay. > >Thanks for any hints. I'd love to learn more about the history of this >thing. I just got it because it was a) affordable, b) a 1970's SBC, and >c) it has a place to add cards and my own circuits, should I decide that's >worth the effort. I could always wire on a 6164 RAM and a SCSI chip, but >then what would I do? > >-ethan > If you don't find a use for it, I'd be interested. I remember some ads from SD Sales in old issues of BYTES's, but the single board Z-80 computer didn't have any S-100 connectors, etc, IIRC. I enjoy and would like to a) figure out the monitor code b) find out what EPROM it would program. If the circuit is simple, it probably is for a 2716. What size EPROM is the "Z-BUG" in? c) Find out if it can use or test various S-100 boards, depending on what signals are provided. Would be an upgrade for my simple S-100 tester. Thanks, -Dave

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Any good search spots in L.A.?

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hello, At 03:09 PM 7/2/98 -0400, you wrote: >Howdy, all, > >I'm in sunny Glendale for the weekend, staying with a friend, and would love >to take the opportunity to scour the area for goodies. Any suggestions? I'd >rather take a planned approach than wander around the valley, looking for >Goodwills. I realize that the Bay Areais better pickings than Los Angeles, >but here is where I am. > There is C and H on Cororado Blvd. in Pasadena, but don't know if they have anything. There is also ECSC in Gardena, if you want to go that far. Their web site is www.eio.com The best bets seem to be the Ham radio swap meets, (not the commercial computer shows). The only one I know of on July 4 is in Santee, near San Diego. I enjoy the TRW meet the last Saturday of every month. I don't know if there are any gemeral or antique swap meets this weekend. Once per month there is one in the Rose Bowl. Wish I knew other places. I plan to visit the San Jose area in a few weeks, are there any suggestions for looking there? I know of Haltek in Mountain View and Halted + Weird Stuff in Santa Clara. -Dave

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8" Disks For Sale NEW!

by billm＠teleport.com

> Subject: NEW 8" Disks Available for sale > To: classicmp(a)u.washington.edu > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:49:02 -0700 (PDT) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Greetings, I have been watching the traffic about 8" disks while recovering > from an ugly bit of doctoring, (2 months plus under care..sigh) and being > without insurance, I feel its time to sell some stuff... > > I have NEW 8" disks still in the original Boxes Both Single and Double > sided. > Either Memorex for the Single or Intel Brand (at least its their Label) for > the Double sided. I was going to put them on the Auction net but wanted to > give the list a shot first. > > Figure $5 a box and we will negotiate on the shipping. > Its the original Hard Cardbox for the disks so there is a little weight > there. > > I have also 3 different of DYSAN alignment disks, but let me get to the > storage unit to be precise on the descriptions. > > Like I say at the swap meets, the more you buy the cheaper they get. and if > you do not like my prices tell me I will change them. > > I got a LOT of Disks,,gotta pay for the storage unit and I been off work for > 2 months... > Let me know.. > > thanks > > Bill > shipping from Portland, or > > --VAA20658.899441345/smtp2.teleport.com-- >

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DECStation 3100 available

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Doug, why that? It is at least a nice X-terminal .... cheers, emanuel ---------- > From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: DECStation 3100 available > Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 6:25 PM > > On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, emanuel stiebler wrote: > > > THIS IS A VAXSTATION, NOT A DECSTATION. > > If anybody was disappointed, and really wants a DECStation 3100 > (MIPS-based unix box), I've got one that is free as long as you pick it up > from Santa Clara, Ca. > > -- Doug

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old AOL disks

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

> Didn't AOL get its start by being bundled with PC-GEOS? >Before it was known as Applelink it was called "Samuel" and worked with >the apple ][ as well. >Q-Link or Quantum link came first for the C64 and then was expanded >to include the Apple II. Once upon a time in the early 80's a man named Bill von Meister started a company called Control Video Corporation. (Bill von Meister had been one of the founders of The Source which was bought by Readers Digest) CVC started a service for Atari 2600 users called GameLine. Users would plug a large modem cartridge into their 2600 and could download a game and play it until they turned their 2600 off. This service was kill by the Video game crash of '83. Next they developed proprietary modems for the C64 and the Apple II and started a service called MasterLine. Same thing, you could download and try software before buying it. This is when I started with CVC (about the end of 1983 I think) MasterLine lasted 3 months. Next they acquired the software from a small on-line service called Playnet and in 6 months launched QuantumLink (Q-Link for short). At some point in here they also changed their name to Quantum Computer Services. Q-Link was a C64 only service. About 1987 they started AppleLink: Personal Edition (not to be confused with Apple's tech support service AppleLink) for Apple II, and IIgs. And about the same time they also started PCLink running under Tandy's DeskMate GUI. This is also the point where I left the company and moved to California. In California I ported Q-Link's Rabbit Jack's Casino Games to run on AppleLink but other than that I lost track of the company. I believe they changed their name and the service's name to America On Line in 1989. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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by tomowad＠earthlink.net

> Once upon a time in the early 80's a man named >Bill von Meister started a company called Control >Video Corporation. (Bill von Meister had been one >of the founders of The Source which was bought by >Readers Digest) What ever happened to The Source? When did they shut down and why? > CVC started a service for Atari >2600 users called GameLine. Users would plug a >large modem cartridge into their 2600 and could >download a game and play it until they turned >their 2600 off. This service was kill by the Video >game crash of '83. Video game crash of '83? Would you please explain? Thanks, Tom -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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DECStation 3100 available

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi all, THIS IS A VAXSTATION, NOT A DECSTATION. but don't blame you for forawarding the wrong subject ;-)) cheers, emu

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Older software FS

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have an unused and unregistered copy, complete, of Zenith Data Systems/Heath Company's "Breakthrough Timeline" which appears to be a timeline creator/project manager. It has the original box, manuals, key template, registration certificate and the original 5.25" 360k floppies (still in the envelope). From scanning the manual it's roughly 1986/87 vintage and should run on most any machine from 8086/8088 up through our present array of hardware. Really good condition visually too, might be good as part of a collection. Need $12 for it which includes mailing in the 48 CONUS states. First come, first serve. Email me direct for info. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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FW: DECStation 3100 available

by kyrrin＠jps.net

I hope the list will take this while I'm unsubscribed... This fellow wants to sell a DECStation 3100. If interested, please contact him directly. Have a great holiday! Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:19:53 -0400, in comp.sys.dec you wrote: >>From: "a.banerjee" <a.banerjee(a)larc.nasa.gov> >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec >>Subject: FS or trade: Digital Vaxstation 3100 >>Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:19:53 -0400 >>Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA, USA >>Lines: 10 >>Message-ID: <359B9709.99D5E77F(a)larc.nasa.gov> >>Reply-To: a.banerjee(a)larc.nasa.gov >>NNTP-Posting-Host: satest2.larc.nasa.gov >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.208!ais.net!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!jamie!Qual.Net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!not-for-mail >> >>not a dec person so any help identifying would be appreciated. >> >>digital vaxstation 3100 (no keyboard, mouse, disk or monitor) >>back has model # vs42a-bc >> >>make an offer or trade. >> >>please reply to bigshoe(a)erols.com >>thanks -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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find... help

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I aquired HPscanjet 9190A. I have the flatbed scanner and the cable but, I do not know if there is an additional interface needed for PC or? use. the cable looks like parallel printer cable. Any info may help. Allison

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8" hard sectored disks

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

I recently found a large number of hard sectored 8" disks and I was hoping some one might knows what computers would use these disks. * Dysan 3740/2D, Double sided, Double density, format: 128 bytes/26 sectors, index 1 & 2. (I don't know if these are hard sectored. There is just one index hole in the disk but two index holes in the jacket) * Memorex 3201-3015, Compatibility: Shugart, Write protect, Single sided, Single density, Sectoring: 32 hard (Just regular 32 sector hard sectored disks) * Memorex 3071-2003, Single sided, Single density, Sectoring: hard * Verbatim FD 65-9000-HR, Single side, Single density, Vydec/ Memorex compatible. (These have 33 index holes in the disk, but they are arranged around the out side edge of the disk. Also there is a 1 1/2" x 1/2" notch cut out one of the corners of the jacket.) I could not find a web page for Dysan, I searched Memorex's and Verbatim's pages and I emailed Memorex and got no reply. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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Apple //gs composite video prob

by red＠bears.org

Hi. I just picked up a ROM v01 //gs at a thrift shop. The colour composite video it generates is very badly artifacted. On my ][plus, there is a 'colour trim' adjustment which I would expect to correct this on the mainboard, but I didn't see anything like this on the //gs. Also, the colours are pale and incorrect when I use my Apple // RGB monitor (the one with the electric tilt) on the RGB port. This monitor doesn't work on the RGB port of my //c at all, so I'm wondering if it's just a matter of not being quite the right monitor for the //gs (which has, if I recall, a monitor more closely styled along Mac lines). Thoughts or hints? ok r.

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8" hard sectored disks

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< * Dysan 3740/2D, Double sided, Double density, format: < 128 bytes/26 sectors, index 1 & 2. (I don't know if these are hard < sectored. There is just one index hole in the disk but two index < holes in the jacket) These are flippies, you turn the over to use the other side. Hence two index openings. < * Memorex 3201-3015, Compatibility: Shugart, Write protect, < Single sided, Single density, Sectoring: 32 hard < (Just regular 32 sector hard sectored disks) Exactly. < * Memorex 3071-2003, Single sided, Single density, Sectoring: hard < * Verbatim FD 65-9000-HR, Single side, Single density, Vydec/ < Memorex compatible. < (These have 33 index holes in the disk, but they are < arranged around the out side edge of the disk. Also there is < a 1 1/2" x 1/2" notch cut out one of the corners of the jacket.) old style hardsector Ony a few drives used that style. Allison

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Whheee! Saved from a dumpster...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

What happened to wall sockets? >Power for the Compaq Mono monitor. > >ok >r. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Whheee! Saved from a dumpster...

by franke＠sbs.de

> Hint: Windows98 is Windows95 with the '5' replaced with an '8'. It should be only a minor correction - just adding a 2^1 bit to get Win97, but due a litte mathematical problem they realy inverted the lower nibble before inverting the 2^1 .... :) The rest is history:) Grins H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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LISA (fwd)

by franke＠sbs.de

>> I think that $200 is approaching the very-high-end of anything I would >> go after myself. > So, if I offered you an Apple 1, one of 200 made, for $1000, you'd turn it > down? Depends on the situation - If I don't have it (the money), I would just pass. If it's a single talk, I would try to barter for the price. If its a competition, I think I'll have to pass since USD 1000 wouldn't be the last call. > Whenever I see a system I want, I go through several rationalization > exercises. The first is "new systems cost much more and are much less > interesting." Yep > If that doesn't work, there's always "I haven't bought a new car in a > while, so I'll get this instead." Thats only the irrational exit if the rational way says no. > Then there's "if I value my time at $X/hour, and it would take me more > than Y hours to find this thing on my own, then it's worth at least $X*Y > to buy it from this guy." Nice, I have a similar system, used not only for computers. > For small stuff, I have a simple metric: sheer frivolous entertainment is > worth about $3/hour to me (e.g., movies: $6, magazine: $3, a good > book: $12, etc.), so if I can gain at least $X/3 hours of enjoyment from > the object, that's a buy signal. Hmm, don't fit my intention - 10 minutes of 'boh ey' it's mine could be more worth than 0.5 USD :) One of the nice things in collecting old computes and other stuff is that one could find things _unbeliable_worthy_ for zero money (or almost), since the value ist more determinated by our private idea about this particular thing. Example: I aquired some weeks ago two sealed ROM cards for the Apple II. They are just cheap (custom) ROM boards covered with blue resin (? Giessharz in German - don't know the exact term in english). Early designs of softwareprotection true hardware. They are complete worthless in any sense, but I enjoy it a lot to own them. So, whats the price ? If the owner had asked 20 USD, I would never had paid it. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Misc. DEC Boards

by peacock＠simconv.com

While checking some boxes in the computer room, I found these old spare DEC Q-Bus parts. They actually belong to the company but if you are willing to pay shipping plus trade something (cash is ok too) I can let them go. AFAIK all boards were pulled from working systems several years ago. Contact me at peacock(a)simconv.com MicroVAX I board set and cabinet kit (serial console connector) 4MB third party Q-BUS memory card, no RAMs (takes 256K DIPs), works great w/uVAX I CPU (you need VMS 5.0 for this, 5.1 and later not supported) ------------------- 11/23 CPU board and cabinet kit (2) DEC memory boards (I think 256KB and 128KB, not sure) both memory boards were with the 11/23 ------------------- MicroVAX 3500 CPU (KA650) board, no cabinet kit (might have it, not sure) (2) 8MB memory boards for the KA650 (this CPU has the older boot ROM, no SHOW command) -------------------- KDA50 disk controller 2 board set (was with the 3500) -------------------- RL02 Q-Bus disk controllers (2) I think RLV21s, have to look -------------------- 12MB expansion memory for a VAXStation 2000 -------------------- (6) DEPCA ethernet boards for ISA bus, old ones w/48KB buffers (all modified for Pathworks drivers) If you have stuff to trade, I could use any of the following: TK50 drive w/SCSI interface (TZ30 or TK50-G) internal preferred 16MB 72pin SIMMs (x32 or x36, EDO or FPM) IDE or SCSI disk drives 1GB or bigger 4mm or 8mm tape drives a flatbed scanner that works with Win95 a Q-BUS IDE or SCSI disk controller useful S-100 boards (tell me what you got) Atmel 89C2051 ucontrollers a monitor that works with the GPX board set in a uVAX II Cyrix 686 or Pentium 166 CPU chip (working on a flaky Motherboard) 33.6 modem ISA card that works with NT4 memory for an Alpha 500au or if you have something else to trade, let me know, make an offer. not interested in consumer computer stuff (i.e. apple, IBM PC, amiga etc.) Jack Peacock

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History Timeline

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:49 PM 7/1/98 -0800, Rax wrote: >Thanks to the noble efforts of John Hickenbotham, my computer/internet And thanks for the equally noble effort at spelling my last name. It's Higginbotham. :) Good work on the timeline. Hope to see it develop more in the future. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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Mailing List Archives...

by kevan＠heydon.org

After a few month pause, the archives of ClassicCmp are now working again at this new URL: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/mlists/classiccmp/ I hope people will find them usefull. -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

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Whheee! Saved from a dumpster...

by rexstout＠uswest.net

Saved a Compaq Portable(w/5.25" FD and unknown 5.25" FH HD) from a dumpster... AFTER a 10 foot flight into it! Plugged it in and it still works... Needs some repairs, I can hear stuff rattling around inside, but it does work... Booted from the hard drive with Compaq DOS 3.31. Also got a MasterSport 386SL(386SX-20, 4MB RAM, 63MB HD) and a 486 motherboard(gonna set it up with Linux or something). Also getting a 1970 VW Bug for my birthday next week... I suppose this makes it a good day despite the belt clip on my radio breaking this morning(now I get to make a nice metal one to replace the broken plastic one). -------------------------------------------------------------- | http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers | | http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek | | Orham(a)qth.net list admin KD7BCY | --------------------------------------------------------------

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find... help

by fmc＠reanimators.org

allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: > I aquired HPscanjet 9190A. This is the original HP ScanJet. > I have the flatbed scanner and the cable but, I do not know if there is > an additional interface needed for PC or? use. the cable looks like > parallel printer cable. Any info may help. Yes, it needs an additional interface that looks a lot like a duplex parallel interface but is not like today's enhanced PC parallel port. Bob Niland <rjn(a)csn.net> has a canned FAQ that he posts to comp.sys.hp.hardware whenever this question comes up there. If you can webulate, you can find it pretty easily in DejaNews. Be advised that the gist of said FAQ is "forget it, if it breaks it'll need expensive fixing and is probably not worth your trouble." -Frank McConnell

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zeos laptops...

by poesie＠geocities.com

ok... this isn't classic, but does anyone have a line on zeos laptop parts for ~486 and up? have some strange little units that are lacking unique parts. thanks.. -Eric

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On Epson Px-8 Geneva

by samuels＠telcel.net.ve

Dear friend, Please i need of your help, in this moment i am using a Epson PX-8 Geneva, i need use the micro-cassette drive in the CP/M and the BASIC resident, you can help me, please send me command (CP/M and Basic) for this micro-cassette drive and more usefull command of CP/P (I only use Windows and DOS), all information on this great machine what you can send me, Tank you very Much for you great Help.

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History Timeline

by rax＠warbaby.com

Thanks to the noble efforts of John Hickenbotham, my computer/internet history timeline is now converted to HTML and I've put it up on my web site. I'd really appreciate your criticisms, corrections and suggestions. Gotta warn you, though, it's a pretty big file so you prolly shouldn't try to access it with those 1200 baud modems. It's also big in dimension - you'll need a 20" monitor to view the whole table without side-scrolling. http://www.warbaby.com/FG_test/Timeline.html Before y'all get too harsh with your crits, please bear in mind that it's a first draft. I've got more info to fill in, formatting to diddle with, and text to rewrite and edit. R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.

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Mag periph's drive info

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Need drive parameters for an ESDI drive for someone, he says it's a Magnetic Peripherals model 94205-051. I've looked most places and can'r seem to locate it, even in my Pocket PC Ref -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I agree a very fancy data path/alu chip. <of the 29116s and 32 control lines for bus requests, data transfer <between the 29116's, etc). I have one sitting around... maybe I can do something with it. I have data. Allison

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QuantumLink AOL lore...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Actually... Quantum Computer Services started off Quantum Link from the old Commodore 64 Play-Net network and later developed Apple and PC link as those developed (from the old Q-Link system) Quantum Computers changed their name to AOL and later shut down the Commodore Q-Link service after leting it suffer a slow-agonizing demise for a few years. Pitty, it was a good service. There are still a bunch of Q-Link ideosyncracies in the system such as 10 character screen names. There is a web page out there that gives the whole story, I came across it a while back in my surfing. Hopefully Doug Coward will read this and fill us in better, as he was an actual Q-Link employee for many years (read he actually worked there, not a Q-Guide or some sub-op position). -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Mag periph's drive info

by blindpete＠stratos.net

Hi every One I found a web page that was helpfull when I was looking for drive specs ect, it is: www.fdisk.com It has links to a lot of interesting pages, including links to hard drive manufactures and search for. Pete Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered

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LISA (fwd)

by yowza＠yowza.com

Respond directly to the seller, not to me, if you want his Lisa 2. If it turns out to be a Lisa 1, don't tell me about it :-) -- Doug ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:27:07 +0000 From: Rich Bull <rbull(a)post.cis.smu.edu> Subject: LISA Mine has a 5 or 10 meg hard drive....Its a completed system with mouse and keyboard and is in exceptional condition...neat little machine...If your interested I need $200.00 and you pay shipping... Thanks rbull(a)mail.smu.edu Richard E. Bull email: rbull(a)mail.smu.edu Information Technology Services voice: (214)768-3450 Southern Methodist University Fax: (214)768-9999 Dallas, Texas 75275-0262

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Never pass an $8 computer [Apple IIc swapmeet story]

by thomas100＠home.com

Hi, So I bought two Apple IIcs last year, one from at the Capitola Swap Meet for $8 with no power supply and a bad keyboard and the other at a ham radio swap meet for $15 with the cute little monitor, stand, power supply, TV adapter, printer and a bunch of other junk [Printshop and... what a thrill- typing tutor!] I bought the two machines some time apart from each other and was moving about the time I picked up the second. So finally today I found that the first one work while the complete system I bought is broken. Well... it's no problem since I can make one working model out of two. Fortunately the first one also has a case with no yellowing problem. The moral of the story: Never pass up a $8 retro-computer... even if it's broken and incomplete! Thomas

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RL02 ID number button

by wanderer＠bos.nl

>The encoding scheme is quite simple, actually, and the answer is that >you >can't make a 2 or a 3 from a 1 or a 0 > >The explanation is as follows. There are 2 pegs at the sides of the >lamp >cap, each with 2 edges (top and bottom). Each edge is either cut down >or not. > >An edge which isn't cut down closes a contact in the lampholder (there >are 4 such contacts, of course). An edge which is cut down doesn't. > >One edge is always present (not cut down). This contact tells the drive >that there is a cap fitted. > >The other 3 edges set the drive ID. One isn't used (it is on the RK07, >etc). The other 2 form a binary code, with the contact closed = 1. So >you >can change a '1' bit into a '0' bit by filing down the appropriate >edge. >But you can't change a '0' into a '1'. And the latter is what you'd >need >to do to make a 2 or a 3. Just unloaded the 11/24 from the car and did take the number plugs out. If the only problem is the edge, then applying a drop of 2 component epoxy glue and file the excess away after hardening should then do the trick, would is not? Edward -- The Wanderer | Geloof nooit een politicus! wanderer(a)bos.nl | Europarlementariers: http://www.bos.nl/homes/wanderer | zakkenvullers en dumpplaats voor Unix Lives! windows95 is rommel! | mislukte politici. '96 GSXR 1100R | See http://www.bos.nl/homes/wanderer/gates.html for a funny pic. of Gates!

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XEROX 860 IPS

by cad＠gamewood.net

Hi Folks: I was donated a XEROX 860 IPS. Portrait oriented Hi-Res display, 2 8" floppies. Keyboard with a circular 'touch pad' on the right end (of the keyboard) The Problem? I was just getting to the point of trying to 'backup' the software (disks), and look around in the system, and the 12v portion of the power supply died. No 12v, no boot. Anyone have any schematics for the power supply? Chuck . -- ----------------------------------------------------------- He, who will not reason, is a bigot; William Drumond, he, who cannot, is a fool; Scottish writer and he, who dares not, is a slave. (1585-1649) While he that does, is a free man! Joseph P. 1955- ----------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Davis / Sutherlin Industries FAX # (804) 799-0940 1973 Reeves Mill Road E-Mail -- cad(a)gamewood.net Sutherlin, Virginia 24594 Voice # (804) 799-5803

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was M

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Pete Turnbull wrote: > On Jun 30, 18:04, Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: >> > Other people insist a microprocessor is one chip only. >> >> So I notice. But by that definition _none_ of the micro PDPs were true >> microprocessors, or at least none up until the 73. The Micro J-11 >> processor in the 73 was implemented as two chips on a large ceramic >> carrier. Was this also the case with later J-11s? > > Yes, it is. But if you allow a J-11 as a microprocessor, you must also > allow the F-11 (as in 11/23, 11/24) since it too has the complete CPU on > one (40-pin) carrier. The other devices that make up the chipset are truly > optional. You'd also need to allow the T-11 processor. I must admit I'd not met the T-11. I stand corrected. As for the F-11, hadn't I just agreed with Tony that a chipset like the F-11 was a microprocessor? Philip.

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was M

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 1, 17:41, Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: > > As for the F-11, hadn't I just agreed with Tony that a chipset like the > F-11 was a microprocessor? Sorry, having rapidly skimmed a boxful of emails, i thought you were saying something *slightly* different :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macin

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Yes, I agree with that one. Slight grey area here - things like the <floating point unit in the LSI11 or the CIS in the KDF-11 - are they <part of the microprocessor chipset or are they coprocessors? Depends, For the KD11 it's additional microcode. For the KDF-11 it's either more microcode(EIS/FIS chips) or a FPU (FPP-11 board). <> Byt that definition, anything built out of TTL, 2900 series, 3000 serie <> etc is _not_ a microprocessor. Those chips have uses other than for What about the 29116? It falls right on the cusp I'd say. <So I notice. But by that definition _none_ of the micro PDPs were true <microprocessors, or at least none up until the 73. The Micro J-11 <processor in the 73 was implemented as two chips on a large ceramic <carrier. Was this also the case with later J-11s? Unknown here. You forget the T-11 which was a single die and a single 40 pin chip that was used on the KXT-11 series boards (falcon etal). Allison

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720K drives on an original PC was Re: Way to iden

by manney＠lrbcg.com

Driver file? What driver file? You mean that's been my problem? manney(a)lrbcg.com > >720K drives will work fine on the original drive controller AFTER you load >the driver file. I've done it dozens of times to connect my NEC >Multi-Speed drives to the PC. The only problem is that you can't boot from >them since the driver has to be loaded for them to work. I don't *think* >the 1.44 Mb drives will work on the controller though. > > Joe > >At 01:24 AM 6/27/98 +0100, you wrote: >>> The 3.5" drive requires a special controller card that I find rare. Snag >it! >> >>My IBM XT is looking worried. It's been running fine for years with the >>original IBM controller linked to 2 360K drives and 2 720K 3.5" drives. >>And you're telling it it shouldn't work? >> >>720K 3.5" drives work fine on the original IBM controller using a >>suitable cable and not other mods. I believe drive A: should be a 360K >>drive, but apart from that there's no real problem. >> >>-tony >> >> >

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Zuses (Was: Re: Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In

by franke＠sbs.de

> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:33:09 PDT > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > From: "Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> > To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Zuses (Was: Re: Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM' >> [About first Computers/Zuses] >>Big ? Hmm. The Z1 could be described as a desktop computer, >>since Zuse (and his friends) bulid it on his parents kitchen >>table - but it tool up the whole table. > More questions, then: > What did they do? I guess they couldn't have been that powerful if the > ENIAC took up a whole building... The Z1 for shure, but compared to the ENIAC, the Z3 had a comprehensive calculating speed. One problem is the different technologie used - ENIAC used a 10 digit fixed point decimal system, while Zuse already used binary floating point like todays computers. The ENIAC could do 14 fixed point multiplication per second, while the Z3 did (only) 0.3 floating point. Its the old thing of big money vs. no money - or government fund projects vs. private - for the ENIAC, upenn had (almost) unlimited government money, while Zuse didn't get any singe cent - so he had to use junk telephone relais instead of new one, and this also is the reason why he used a relais system istrad of tubes - he just couldn't aford it - It's the same in all ages - if you don't have to count every transistor, byte, megabyte (M$) you'll use everything available. (The ENIAC-on-a-chip project also took 174,569 transistors to rebuild the function :) Zuse: >After the War was finally over, news of the University of Pennsylvania ENIAC machine went all round the world - "18,000 tubes!". We could only shake our heads. What on earth were all the tubes for? Schreyer and I parted company after the War. At that time it was prohibited to develop electronic equipment in West Germany.< They had plans for a 2000 tubes computer around 1937, but didn't get the money, since the authorities belived that the war wouldn't need it, because the planned two year development would be to late ... Helmut Schreyer had build a small experimental machine for calculating 10 Digit numbers with something around 100 tubes, running in 1944. Not a complete comuter - more like a calculator. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macin

by mbg＠world.std.com

Yes, the DCT11 (t-11) is a single chip... it has no memory management (except for a strange implementation on one of the vax line... Venus, I think...) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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DEC/X11 Fiche

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

OK, inquiring minds want to know. I just got a large pile of microfiche today, and in it is a stack an inch thick or better with a header of DEC/X11, and dates between about 1973 and 1981. I've a strange feeling it's got something to do with XXDP. It looks to all be source code, I would guess in assembly language (I've not taken a decent look at it yet). What on earth is this stuff? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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DEC/X11 Fiche

by mbg＠world.std.com

Diagnositic programs for the pdp-11. If you have no use, I wouldn't mind them... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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DEC/X11 Fiche

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 30, 22:22, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Subject: DEC/X11 Fiche > OK, inquiring minds want to know. I just got a large pile of microfiche > today, and in it is a stack an inch thick or better with a header of > DEC/X11, and dates between about 1973 and 1981. I've a strange feeling > it's got something to do with XXDP. It looks to all be source code, I > would guess in assembly language (I've not taken a decent look at it yet). > What on earth is this stuff? It's the stuff I've been looking for for ages :-) If it's an inch thick, you only have a small part of it. But it is the listings of (some of) the XXDP diagnostics. It's common to refer to these so you can see what the setup options etc are for the various diagnostics. IIRC, a complete PDP-11 set took up most of a microfiche file box. Wasn't this stuff also on-line at Digital once upon a time? Names like STARS and TIMA come to mind too (my spelling might be wildly wrong, of course). What happened to all that information? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Win NT 3.5 Workstation FS/Trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have a full copy of Windows NT workstation 3.5 that was opened but never used to get out of my way. Any offers, cash or trades? I'm sure someone in this list has a need for it. More info email me direct please. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macin

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 1, 0:41, Tony Duell wrote: > Subject: Re: Re[2]: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macin > > optional. You'd also need to allow the T-11 processor. > > Isn't the T11 a single chip? The one in my York Box certainly seems to be > a simple 40 pin plastic DIL package. Exactly! :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Gone! I'm gone! (Temporarily)

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Oh, I'll be back. I'm simply going to unsubscribe until I get back from my annual scrounging trip to the Bay Area. Given that I've seen as many as 60+ messages/day, and I'll be gone for (effectively) ten days, I would prefer not to come home to 600+ messages! Have a fun and safe Fourth of July! I shall return!! ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Xpost - Epson PX-8

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Contact this person if you might be on the lookout for one. I had one once and it's a CP/M 8 line LCD screen laptop of sorts. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bjorn Langoren <bjornl(a)erols.com> Cambridge, MA 02140 - Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 00:03:38 EPSON PX-8 for sale We found an EPSON PX-8 in the basement during a cleanup, and I thought it might be worth something to someone. I have not tried to start it up, since I don't have the power adapter for it. There is also some shrink-wrapped documentation available. Ask me questions and I will take a second look at it. Any idea how many of these were sold back in the mid 80's? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was

by allisonp＠world.std.com

RE: T-11 <Yes, the DCT11 (t-11) is a single chip... it has no memory management <(except for a strange implementation on one of the vax line... Venus, Can't speak for venus but I've seen a MMU on the T-11 in of all places the VT240/241 which uses a T-11/ Allison

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macin

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> So, where do you draw the line? I draw it at one piece of silicon that >> can stand alone with the usual support chips (ROM, RAM, glue chips). > > I define a microprocessor as either a single chip processor, or as a > small (to be defined ;-)) number of chips which are only ever used > together to make a particular processor. Yes, I agree with that one. Slight grey area here - things like the floating point unit in the LSI11 or the CIS in the KDF-11 - are they part of the microprocessor chipset or are they coprocessors? > Byt that definition, anything built out of TTL, 2900 series, 3000 series, > etc is _not_ a microprocessor. Those chips have uses other than for > building that particular processor. But the F11 (PDP11/23) is - that > chipset only ever gets used to make an 11/23 (or an 11/24 for the pedants > :-)). > > So is the early IBM RISC 6000 processor. I seem to remember that's 8 or 9 > packages, but I would still class it as a micro. > > Other people insist a microprocessor is one chip only. I've got no So I notice. But by that definition _none_ of the micro PDPs were true microprocessors, or at least none up until the 73. The Micro J-11 processor in the 73 was implemented as two chips on a large ceramic carrier. Was this also the case with later J-11s? Philip.

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Sighted: AT/XT cases & parts for sale

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

For what it's worth... (I have no connection with this person.) >I have tons of old AT/XT cases, motherboards, cards, hard drives, floppies, >and other stuff! > >Buyer pays shipping. > >Need to get rid of it! > >Byron Smith >byron(a)pnx.com > >Located in Orange, Texas > -Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!)

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RL02 ID number button

by wanderer＠bos.nl

Hello All, Well, I got my old 11/24 back which I did give away a couple of years ago and also found an 11/34 and form another person I can get 2 more RL02's. Are there any PDP users using Xenix, or only Unix (V5/6/7) ? and Oracle V2.3? One of the packs might still have this on it. Does anybody know where to get the number buttons (specifically #2 and #3) for the RL02's, so I can use my extra units as such, or is there another to let the units know that they should not act as unit #0 and/or unit #1? Thanks, Edward P.S. has somebody in Europe an RK05 or RK07 left over :-)

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old AOL disks

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i have several aol versions starting with 1.5 as ive never seen 1.0 anywhere. i believe quantumlink/pc link basically turned into aol. i *think* applelink was the same or close to it. as of last year, aol 1.5 was still supported and mac aol 2.5 still works, if only for email and file transfers which is what i use it for. david In a message dated 98-06-29 13:33:09 EDT, you write: << This isn't quite classic, but classic enough. Does anyone have old AOL disks they could e-mail me? Any version before 3.0 for the PC. BTW, when was AOL 1.0 released? Wasn't AOL PC Link before? A program called QuantumLink came with my Commodore a few years ago, and when I called the tech number to see if they're still around, I was forwarded to AOL. >>

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1st Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Well, when I read the want ads, I see Mac SE/30s going for $300 easy ("Good first computer", "Good student computer", "Served me well"). Those ads really last from week to week... >As far as worth, well i've seen them on ebay go anywhere from $75 to over $200 >depending on what ancillary stuff it had (orig docs, packaging, etc). That said, >they are relatively easily available for <$20 (I just picked up two for $15 just an >hour ago). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Zuses (Was: Re: Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM'

by franke＠sbs.de

> I didn't think they were jokes (;) and he did have a child, I just don't > remember what gender. But to bring this thread on topic, could someone > tell me what the Zuse computers did, and what Zuse models there were. > How big were they? Has anyone seen one? Do any exist now? Big ? Hmm. The Z1 could be described as a desktop computer, since Zuse (and his friends) bulid it on his parents kitchen table - but it tool up the whole table. Thru wartime tjhere have been 4 Models - Z1..Z4. After the war I think somewhat like 40 or so designes, and some of them had quite some success. The Zuse company did some very unique computers some of them even part analogue and part digital. They also did the first computer generated graphics not only in science lab, but also sold drawing/cartography equippment. They also had the first plotter running. And sold them. Also some early CNC installations are credited to Zuse (Beside that he in fact designed the first process controlling computer ever - for production of V1 cruise missiles) Eventualy SIEMENS bought Zuse in the 60s. Some exist sill - i.e. a reproduction of the Z1 in the Museum fur Verkehr und Technik in Berlin, or a Z3 in the Deutsches Museum in Munich. I don't know if any of the later (after Z11) 'usual' machines survived. Gruss H. PS.: Zuse also aquired some patents in the 50s for his ideas about the Feldrechenmaschiene (field calculating engine) - early ideas for parallel processing and still base for a lot of newer designs. P.P.S.: Try http://www.histech.rwth-aachen.de/www/quellen/Histcomp/Zuse.html for a nice lifetime/development story. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Zuses (Was: Re: Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM'

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

More questions, then: What did they do? I guess they couldn't have been that powerful if the ENIAC took up a whole building... >Big ? Hmm. The Z1 could be described as a desktop computer, >since Zuse (and his friends) bulid it on his parents kitchen >table - but it tool up the whole table. > >Thru wartime tjhere have been 4 Models - Z1..Z4. >After the war I think somewhat like 40 or so designes, >and some of them had quite some success. The Zuse >company did some very unique computers some of them >even part analogue and part digital. They also did >the first computer generated graphics not only in >science lab, but also sold drawing/cartography equippment. >They also had the first plotter running. And sold >them. Also some early CNC installations are credited >to Zuse (Beside that he in fact designed the first >process controlling computer ever - for production >of V1 cruise missiles) Eventualy SIEMENS bought Zuse >in the 60s. > >Some exist sill - i.e. a reproduction of the Z1 in >the Museum fur Verkehr und Technik in Berlin, or a >Z3 in the Deutsches Museum in Munich. I don't know if >any of the later (after Z11) 'usual' machines survived. > >Gruss >H. > >PS.: Zuse also aquired some patents in the 50s for his >ideas about the Feldrechenmaschiene (field calculating >engine) - early ideas for parallel processing and still >base for a lot of newer designs. > >P.P.S.: Try >http://www.histech.rwth-aachen.de/www/quellen/Histcomp/Zuse.html >for a nice lifetime/development story. > >-- >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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A perfect house - my storage problems solved.

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Hi all, Hi Kevan! > I just have to tell everybody some good news, but anybody with a space > problem and of a jealous disposition may want to stop reading now... > > We have just got to sale agreed on a house that has a 41' x 41' garage at > the bottom of the garden. That is about 1600 sqft or 11000 cuft of storage > space. The garage has solid floors, cavity walls, a good roof and thus dry > and clean inside. Having seen your collection, and the attic in which you have hitherto kept it, all I can say is, You lucky beggar! Philip.

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by franke＠sbs.de

>>What exactly is Bob? I've often see it mentioned, but never with any >>background to what it actually does. > It's a user interface. There was a little helper guy, who could be a > puppy, smiley face, etc. Not >10 years yet. The metaphor was of a room. > You would click on a calendar hanging on the wall to get an appointment > book, for example. Nice story beside: Kaufhof (a big department store group in Germany) once delivered a simple dektop program, using the same working room metaphor as Bob, with all their PCs (88/286/386). Junk, but some strange guys at SIEMENS PN (telephone systems) choosed this program as desktop for their new service PC system. They thought this thing would help the _proferssional_technicans_ to deal with that system ... rotfl. Its still in use, but soon after first tests this office thing dissapeared and only some full screen windows with simple text/icon buttons remain ... Almost like the win 3.1 programm manager ... strange huh ? Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Olivetti M22

by franke＠sbs.de

> I picked up an interesting laptop from circa 1986 today, the Olivetti M22. > So, has anybody ever seen one of these things before? There should be plenty of 'em in Europe, (Germany, but especialy in Italy (:), since they sold well among special banking environments. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Zuses (Was: Re: Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I didn't think they were jokes (;) and he did have a child, I just don't remember what gender. But to bring this thread on topic, could someone tell me what the Zuse computers did, and what Zuse models there were. How big were they? Has anyone seen one? Do any exist now? >(How about bringing a thread on-topic once in a while?) No, they have >spawned no children that I know of. (And, please, no jokes about the >deeper meaning of "Microsoft" wrt to Bill's sexual performance, OK?) > >ObCC: TTY. > >-- Doug > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by franke＠sbs.de

>> I find the touch screen comment unpleasant because I think touch screens >> are the key to an easy-to-use interface. Voice recognition and p.p. are >> in use and are gaining ground. What were bubbles, and why didn't they >> catch on? > Touch screens make you take your hands off the keyboard and leave a greasy > mess on your screen while you try in vain to do high resolution tasks with > your low res finger. The mouse also needs your hand - like any other device. And I'm still looking for a _working_ touchscreen solution to use with my Performa 630. Since I use this youngtimer still for Newton programming, its a real stupid thing to take a moust for an ok-button when I already have a pen in my hand - I just want to tap the Buttons on screen like the one on my Newt. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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new additions, info wanted

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:19 AM 6/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >More fun stuff picked up this weekend: > >Canon Cat - A glorified word processor that was created by one of the original >members of the Macintosh team. You really don't want a Canon Cat. Honest. Tell ya what I'm gonna do. You send it to me (heck, I'll even chip in for shipping) and I'll send you a real nice computer. Yeah, that's it. Send it to me. Bad mojo you don't want it. Trust me. 8^) Yep, Jef Raskin designed the Cat after coming up with the Mac; Apparently rather revolutionary in terms of being able to get around and do stuff with special keys. Dunno too much, but I'd sure like to learn. (And if you tell me you have a FlatCat, I'll be visiting in the middle of the night... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Wang Thang

by franke＠sbs.de

>> Now you've gone and done it. I was compelled to dig it out and once >> more face the monster, leaving my more mundane tasks of turning >> my 5150 into an awesome Win 95ers confronter. > Hummm... I always wanted to put an Amiga into a PET case, just to freak > people out, but I've never found an adequately destroyed PET to use. :) I had several years ago a similar idea, and I put a KIM into a PET case (new case from a junk mail order store - Comodore did often sell surplus stuff to junk dealers in Germany). Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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1st Mac

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

One word: rubbish. i have a mac with the same model number. the mac+ had that signed case and i think all earlier models did too. as its been said before, its only worth as much as someone wants to pay for it. david In a message dated 98-06-30 10:28:47 EDT, you write: << >> A friend recently told me that the Macintosh I own (Model M0001 with the >> autographs inside the case) is worth money as a collectable. Can you tell >> me if this is true and if so where I might get information on selling it. >> Thank you for your help. > >>

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FW: Corvus Omninet 16 hard drive

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I recently posted the following DEC PDP-11 Q-Bus modules up for grabs. <They are apparently Q-Bus controllers for this harddrive or something <like it. Corvus Omminet was a combination fileserver and network. I believe it was in the 1-2.5mb/s arcnet like. Clients were Z80 based systems with their net adaptor or specifically made as clients by corvus. It's high;y likely they made it for PDP-11 use as well. Allison

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1st Mac

by donaldn＠interport.net

>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:06:58 -0700 (PDT) >From: escollector(a)heydon.org >X-Sender: kevan(a)goliath.heydon.org >Reply-To: collector(a)heydon.org >To: Donald Newman <donaldn(a)interport.net> >Subject: Re: 1st Mac > > >> A friend recently told me that the Macintosh I own (Model M0001 with the >> autographs inside the case) is worth money as a collectable. Can you tell >> me if this is true and if so where I might get information on selling it. >> Thank you for your help. > >Try sending a message to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu This is a mailing >list of many collectors and I am sure there will be somebody there who >will be interested. > >Kevan > > > > > >

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FW: Corvus Omninet 16 hard drive

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Found on Usenet. This fellow just wants shipping for what sounds like a neat bit of hardware. Please contact him directly if interested. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:59:59 -0700, in alt.sys.pdp11 you wrote: >>From: Robert Jackson <robertj(a)hayfork.net> >>Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11,alt.sys.pdp11,comp.sys.dec.micro >>Subject: Corvus Omninet 16 >>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:59:59 -0700 >>Organization: ELI.NET Leased Newsreader Service >>Lines: 30 >>Message-ID: <35988CEF.7066D98(a)hayfork.nospam.net> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: port-st89.cwo.com >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Trace: news.eli.net 899189639 20997 209.63.55.99 (30 Jun 1998 06:53:59 GMT) >>X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)eli.net >>NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1998 06:53:59 GMT >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) >>X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!not-for-mail >>Xref: blushng.jps.net vmsnet.pdp-11:256 alt.sys.pdp11:174 comp.sys.dec.micro:194 >> >>Hi, >> >>Sorry if these groups were inappropriate for this post, but they were >>the only groups I saw anything useful about Corvus listed on so thought >>I'd have the best chance for a useful reply here. >> >>That said, I was cleaning out some closets a while back and came across >>a very curious box. It seemed to be an external hard drive of some >>kind, but the only connection on the thing was a 3-pin connector near a >>series of dip switches. Looking around the web and Usenet I've come to >>the conclusion that it's a network-shareable hard drive that would be >>useable in a Corvus Omninet system. >> >>It's dated mid-80's and apparently only a 16 meg drive so I don't >>imagine anyone but a dinosaur collector would be interested in it, but >>it goes against my nature to throw anything remotely neat away! >>(Especially if it may be worth something!) It's probably not worth more >>than the cost of postage to send it to someone, if that, but if you're >>interested in the thing drop me a line and save if from the dump! Or if >>you're not personally interested but want to save me from getting ripped >>off (giving it to someone for something like $2 when it's worth >>something more) definitely drop me a line! >> >>Robert >> >>robertj(a)hayfork.nospam.net >>rj(a)tcoe.trinity.nospam.k12.ca.net >> >>remove the appropriate words from the e-mail addresses... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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MicroVAX III Memory

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Bruce, ---------- > From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)jps.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: MicroVAX III Memory > Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 7:01 AM > 1). Anyone got any MV-III memory for sale/trade? no, i don't. But if it helps & IIRC, the module name is MS650-AA for 8MByte, and MS650-BA for 16 Mbyte. Maximum are 4 boards, which results in 64 MByte. (wow ...;-)) > > 2). Failing that, is it at all possible, however messy, to modify MV-II > memory to work? don't think so. I would really prefer to buy the 16 mbyte modules. there are not so expensive, and the KA650 is a neat board (was built in mv3500/mv3600) cheers, emanuel

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Corvus Omninet 16 hard drive

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>>>That said, I was cleaning out some closets a while back and came across >>>a very curious box. It seemed to be an external hard drive of some >>>kind, but the only connection on the thing was a 3-pin connector near a >>>series of dip switches. Looking around the web and Usenet I've come to >>>the conclusion that it's a network-shareable hard drive that would be >>>useable in a Corvus Omninet system. Hmm, I'd be interested in any info. anyone has on these things. I had the remains of one a while back - someone had grabbed the drive out of it before I got to it but all the controller logic was still there. I seem to remember that it was a useful source of parts - nice solid case and compact toroidal power supply... it's a shame I didn't have the actual drive to go with it and to mess around with. I don't know what would have worked with it, we mainly had Cambridge Ring network gear back then, a few VAX machines, and not a lot else... cheers Jules >

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintosh

by franke＠sbs.de

>>Apart from the ST, which has already been mentioned : >>BBC Micro, Acorn Archimedes, many older portables (Tandy 100, HP110, HP71 >>and HP75 (almost), EPSON PX4 and PX8), there was a model of the Tandy >>1000 with MS-DOS in ROM, one of the Torch machines had a CP/M a-like in >>ROM, HP IPC, Tandy CoCo + disk controller (maybe this only counts as >>Basic in ROM), and plenty more that I've forgotten about > I belive Apple's Newtons have the OSes in ROM. They certainly do boot > quickly and a chip swap is need to upgrade the OS. Yes, but the boot is quite slow. My MP2k needs something like 40 seconds to boot.. Gruss H. (fyi MPs normaly never boot - only at first power up or reset - they just sleep all the time :) -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintosh

by franke＠sbs.de

>> I belive Apple's Newtons have the OSes in ROM. They certainly do boot >> quickly and a chip swap is need to upgrade the OS. > Later Newts, including the eMate, are flash upgradable. A quick boot > doesn't require a ROM OS, though. Flash upgradable ? Huh ? Did I miss something ? Afaik my MP2K still has ROMS not Flash for the OS. Same for the eMate. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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MicroVAX III Memory

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Fellow DEC'ers, I've come across a KA650 (MV-III) CPU board. As near as I can tell from comparing the pinouts of its memory connector vs. the MV-II memory boards I have, it uses specific memory boards of its own. 1). Anyone got any MV-III memory for sale/trade? 2). Failing that, is it at all possible, however messy, to modify MV-II memory to work? Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Inventory Control (was Re: "No name" S-100 computer)

by franke＠sbs.de

> On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Tony Duell wrote: >> I've passed an inventory of my collection to some serious collectors in >> the UK. They know that if I cease to be, they are to find all the >> machines on that list (at least). The problem is that many of the >> machines are partially dismantled, and that it's not obvious that the >> large cardboard box of PCBs downstairs goes with the pile of metal panels >> in the spare bedroom to make an image processor/display. > I'm pretty new to the collecting game, but I'm already having trouble > keeping machines, parts, software, manuals, and releated stuff tractable. > I've picked-up some barcode reading equipment with the idea that one day > I'll encode the contents of all of my boxes, and tie it to all together > with a database that include historical info, condition info, and other > notes. > Has anybody already done something like this? If so, can I steal your > scheme? Yep - I'm just start to build up my database with a bar code system as anchor for machine identification and tracking. The Base equipment is a Apple MessagePad 2000 (best thing ever build by appe - AND, thanks to SJ now a oop classic :) with a laser bar code scanner - all machinedate are stored in a cusom programm. Maybe I could changee to leverage or a similar standard database system. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Price guidelines... (DEC in particular at the moment)

by kyrrin＠jps.net

At 00:26 30-06-98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >I've got a guy with a DECServer 5000 (no Ultrix media, not allot of >specifics on memory etc at the moment) >with "best offer" pricing. Is there a resource around (besides used gear >dealer pages) with perhaps at >least "scrap" value of systems? Don't know if it's any help, but I bought my last DECStation 5000, with a 17" color monitor, for $25.00... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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ProcTech CUTS tape & VAX 6000 SCSI interface & DC-600A tapes

by bobstek＠ix6.ix.netcom.com

If anyone else is having difficulty contacting me, my address is bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com (Netcom must dynamically assign the @ix??.netcom.com somehow) Bob Stek

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Price guidelines... (DEC in particular at the moment)

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I've got a guy with a DECServer 5000 (no Ultrix media, not allot of Probably a Decstation 5000, if it runs Ultrix. >specifics on memory etc at the moment) with "best offer" pricing. Is I recently received two in trade for a uVaxIII cpu board and 16mb memory board. >there a resource around (besides used gear dealer pages) with perhaps at >least "scrap" value of systems? I've also seen them offered for anywhere between $25 and $240 depending on specific type (5000/25 vs. 5000/260) and on which newgroup it was offerred. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Info wanted: Digital RZ23 SCSI Drive

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 29, 18:09, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Subject: Re: Info wanted: Digital RZ23 SCSI Drive > > I've got two Digital RZ23 3.5" SCSI drives I'd like to find some more info > > on. I basically need the specs (cylinder, head, size, etc.) and jumper > > settings. Anyone got anything? I used these settings in my format.dat file for a Sparcstation: ncyl = 772 ; acyl = 2 ; pcyl = 774 ; nhead = 8 ; nsect = 33 ; rpm =3600 The SCSI ID is set by three jumpers next to one of the large custom chips on the control board. The jumper nearest the edge of the board is ID0, the one nearest the chip is ID2. Jumper fitted = 1, unfitted = 0. I don't have any jumpers on other pins. There are some pins on the front, in a 14-pin connector. I can't remember what they all do except that the pair nearest the centre of the drive are for the LED. This drive doesn't spin up until given a Start Motor command, and the DEC firmware is different to the standard Connor firmware so there is no jumper setting to control this. > > I think the original manufacturer was Conner. It also has the model number > > 3100D, which I think is a Conner drive. It is. > And Conner was recently bought by Seagate, which has a pretty informative > web site. Try looking it up there. The diagrams there, for the "obvious" Connor equivalent, are mostly correct for the RZ23, IIRC. That's where I originally got most of the information, a couple of years ago. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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more random bits need new home

by pcoad＠ncal.verio.com

Due to the volume reduction act of 1998 I need to find homes for a few things which I can't use but others might find useful/interesting: 1.) Box of 8 inch floppies unknown condition: a.) digital software (BA-M386A-BA) WPS-8/DECMATE V2 BIN MATH RX2 b.) digital software (BA-M471A-BA) WPS-8/DECMATE V2 BIN SORT RX2 c.) digital software (BA-M470A-BA) WPS-8/DECMATE V2 BIN COMM RX2 d.) digital software (BA-M469A-BA) WPS-8/DECMATE V2 BIN LIST RX2 e.) digital software (BA-M387A-BA) WPS-8/DECMATE V2 BIN BASE RX2 f.) digital software (BA-S968B-MA) ALVTAB0 DECMATE SYSTEM TEST REPLACES: AS-S463A-MA g.) hand labeled intel "SA/FT/FMS Priam Interface, SMD Interface for updated byte/serial PCB's" h.) hand labeled Dysan "Backup of Priam test programs" The box is one of those that can be attached to others of the same type. Manual and labels for box included. Whoo-hoo. 2.) IIT 2C87 "Advanced Math CoProcessor". That's right, this is basicly a 80287 math coprocessor. This particular model is suitable for 10 MHz or slower 286 machines. The box is still shrink-wrapped if that turns you on. Includes free ComputerLand sticker on the side of the box. The box says that this "features a power-down sleep mode. In active mode it consumes 25% less power than other coprocessors." Speed up those 1-2-3 recalculations and floating point intensive tasks! 3.) MS-DOS 4.01 (ACBEL Technologies version). Includes box, 6 5.25" disks, 2 manuals (Microsoft MS-DOS User's Guide $ User's Reference and Microsoft MS-DOS Shell User's Guide). The box and manuals are black and white, but the disks are green. Go figure. 4.) Farallon PhoneNET nubus card. This one has AUI and 10BaseT connectors. It may work, it may not. I have no way to test it. 5.) Apple Ethernet nubus card, I believe. Has AUI connector without the funky slide locking device and a BNC connector. Connect your Mac II to your home network. Untested but big. Make me an offer. Trades of random old/cool/strange/small Sun stuff preferred, cash accepted. I don't expect much for these. Everything is As-is. The first person to make a deal for more than one item will get a free copy of "Inside the Amiga" by John Thomas Berry. Thanks, --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Antique Computer Collection: http://www.wco.com/~pcoad/machines.html

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Certainly my 11/83 is a micro/mini/as fast as an VAX-11/780 so I'm not su <whether its a micro/mini/super-mini :-) 11/83 is fast but it's still pdp-11 and VAX-11/780 was 32bit while raw MIPS the 83 is up there, addressing a 15meg database would clearly seperate the two. Allison

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ProcTech CUTS tape & VAX 6000 SCSI interface & DC-600A tapes

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Bob and all, At 04:19 PM 6/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >If there are any ProcTech SOL owners out there, I have recently acquired >an old CUTS tape from PROTEUS, the Sol User's Program Library. Lots of >miscellaneous stuff. If you would like a copy, email your address, or send >me some stamps - whatever. > Yes, I'm interested in the CUTS tape. I've found the article on Newett Awl's "Choo Choo" for the VDM/Sol. Your idea of the CD as a program audio source sounds interesting, too. The email I sent was returned with a warning so far. Please give an estimate for the tape- duplication costs, etc. Is <bobstek(a)ix22.ix.netcom.com> correct? -Dave

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In 10+ years... Was: Re: "No name" S-100 computer

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 10:30 AM 6/29/98 -0400, Chris wrote: >Keep an eye on this list as I would imagine (and hope) it will be still >existing in some sort of form 10+ years from now. (Let's not go into the >depths of speculation as to how exactly this list will still exist. Who >knows exactly? If it indeed does not, by following it we will see its >evolution toward whatever its destiny) During that period anyway, I would >think either you would gain collecting relationships with others here and >find someone you feel comfortable with selling/passing it to, discover >museums who actually are interested in preserving "homebrew" or no-name >machines or even find some other worthwhile destination. > >Incidentally, I think you meant by the statement above, >">... I know no one personally that has >>these "old" computer interests except maybe the speculator type, only this >>list." >that you mean _two_ _separate_ types of groups: speculators and us on this >list? ;) > Yes, you are correct, I was referring to 2 groups. I know no one in person on this list yet. This is much less clear for old radios where the dealers or resellers seem to way outnumber the collectors interested in the history or technology or the builders or repairers. Look at the prices now for the first transistor radios.. >>For old radios I can consider the AWA museum.. -Dave

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Reading PALs

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, Though perhaps not strictly on-topic, is there any way to read PALs, short of buying a hugely expensive "universal" device programmer? I have several things that have PALs in, and I want to read them somehow to help me figure out how they work. On a slightly different subject, has anyone written a program to dump the BIOS of an old (or new, I guess) PC to disk? -- Mark

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mitsubishi laptop problems

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

a friend essentially gave me a mitsubishi MP286L which is a 286 laptop. it has a phoenix bios, but is posting with a bios checksum error. it will boot off a floppy however. i think i hear a hard drive spin up, but is not being recognized. i cannot remember how to get to the setup utility and aol's browser is unusable to search with. any ideas? david

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Price guidelines... (DEC in particular at the moment)

by jfedorko＠virtualadmin.com

Hi folks, I've got a guy with a DECServer 5000 (no Ultrix media, not allot of specifics on memory etc at the moment) with "best offer" pricing. Is there a resource around (besides used gear dealer pages) with perhaps at least "scrap" value of systems? Thanks.

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Phoenix area collectors?

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

I got this request from someone who visited the Vintage Computer Festival web pages. Heads up Phoenix area collectors. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:29:08 -0700 From: Richard Miller <dkmiller(a)microarch.com> Are there any other members/collectors in the Phoenix area? I would enjoy getting together with other collectors. Richard Miller

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Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

heh, i remember everyone was decrying the system requirements. 486 and 8 meg recommended. i only had a cursory look at it, and seemed lame from the start by having a cheezy cartoon dog tell you what to do! of course, they've continued that legacy with the paper clip help in ms office. just give me regular F1 help and i'm happy. of course, if i could find a copy, i would keep it along with my other failed collector's items like my pcjr and apple ///. david In a message dated 98-06-29 15:54:46 EDT, you write: [BOB] << It was too cutesy for adults to use and too insulting to the kids. It assumed a lobotomized user, had a very slow and clumsy interface, crashed a lot, and flopped horribly in the marketplace. And yes, Bill married the project lead behind Bob. Ugh. ca. 1993 I believe. ok r. >>

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old AOL disks

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-06-29 16:54:35 EDT, doug yowza put forth: << I don't know about that, but I think the first AOL client was a GEOS program. I've got a copy running on my GRiDPAD 2390 (aka Zoomer) that says (C) 1993, and has no version number. (Don't ask me for a copy. Besides copyright issues, it would require that I figure out which GEOS runtime components are needed). >> well, aol 1.5 was based on the geos runtime kernel, but didnt require geos. david

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Info wanted: Digital RZ23 SCSI Drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

I've got two Digital RZ23 3.5" SCSI drives I'd like to find some more info on. I basically need the specs (cylinder, head, size, etc.) and jumper settings. Anyone got anything? I think the original manufacturer was Conner. It also has the model number 3100D, which I think is a Conner drive. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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old AOL disks

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Any version before 3.0 for the PC. BTW, when >was AOL 1.0 released? Wasn't AOL PC Link before? A program called >QuantumLink came with my Commodore a few years ago, and when I called >the tech number to see if they're still around, I was forwarded to AOL. AOL was the company created by the combination of Applelink and some Commodore BBS, most likely the QuantumLink you mentioned. Steve Case was CEO of the Commodore BBS and became CEO of AOL. For quite some time, about half of AOL's subscribers were Apple II and Mac users. Of course, AOL discontinued Apple II support quite some time ago (I know some guys who are still sour about this). I better stop typing now, otherwise I'll get off on a rant about how AOL is always dropping services on the sly and backstabbing their customers. Tom Owad (former user of America Online, now Sysop of Caesarville Online) -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: ] <I class that as a micro, but I don't know if others would. ] ] 11/23 was called a micro by it's vendor DEC! What could be more official ] than that. Also the LSI-11 (KD-11). Ah, but according to DEC, it's not even a computer, it's a Progammable Data Processor, right? :-) ] Allison Bill.

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Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

It's a user interface. There was a little helper guy, who could be a puppy, smiley face, etc. Not >10 years yet. The metaphor was of a room. You would click on a calendar hanging on the wall to get an appointment book, for example. >What exactly is Bob? I've often see it mentioned, but never with any >background to what it actually does. > >Thanks, >Tom > >Sysop of Caesarville Online >Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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1st Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I would say no more than $10 unless the buyer has no idea what he's getting. >One word: rubbish. i have a mac with the same model number. the mac+ had that >signed case and i think all earlier models did too. as its been said before, >its only worth as much as someone wants to pay for it. > >david > >In a message dated 98-06-30 10:28:47 EDT, you write: > ><< >> A friend recently told me that the Macintosh I own (Model M0001 with the > >> autographs inside the case) is worth money as a collectable. Can you tell > >> me if this is true and if so where I might get information on selling it. > >> Thank you for your help. > > >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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RL02 ID number button

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 29, 21:27, wanderer wrote: > Does anybody know where to get the number buttons (specifically #2 > and #3) for the RL02's, so I can use my extra units as such, or is > there another to let the units know that they should not act as unit > #0 and/or unit #1? The switches are made by Honeywell, and you can still get part of the range >from Farnell and others, but not -- AFAIK -- the covers. I discovered that juciciously placed matchsticks would do the trick, but after a while I got so fed up that I made my own buttons from scrap perspex. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macin

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 30, 18:04, Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: > > Other people insist a microprocessor is one chip only. > > So I notice. But by that definition _none_ of the micro PDPs were true > microprocessors, or at least none up until the 73. The Micro J-11 > processor in the 73 was implemented as two chips on a large ceramic > carrier. Was this also the case with later J-11s? Yes, it is. But if you allow a J-11 as a microprocessor, you must also allow the F-11 (as in 11/23, 11/24) since it too has the complete CPU on one (40-pin) carrier. The other devices that make up the chipset are truly optional. You'd also need to allow the T-11 processor. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Hang her from the wall

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Foster. > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. What a lack of etiquette!!! No big problem, if someone doesn't tell you, how can you know? > I had no idea I had posted in HTML. All too easy to get the Micro$oft defaults set that way :-) You're not the first, and surely won't be the last. Nice to see you've fixed, too. Unfortunately, some people (eg some Microsoft wallahs) think it's neat to use HTML. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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386 w/UNIX jumper??

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have gotten hold of 5 working (and very attractive as well durable) Intel model PSYP3022254DOX machines with 386DX-25 processors and two case fans in each, one behind the front plate (to cool cards I guess) and the other in the normal AT style power supply. As usual, no docs. This is not a problem as most is self explanatory. There is one jumper on the mainboard though that goes in either 1-2 or 2-3 that's marked "Unix", nothing else. Anyone have any idea what this would do? I've moved it but nothing,but I haven't loaded Unix on it either. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sun's new market: Obsolete Computers

by yowza＠yowza.com

SOURCE: THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST via First! by NewsEdge Corp. DATE: June 27, 1998 INDEX: [10] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST via NewsEdge Corporation : So much has been said about Java that it probably is lost on most people. Many hear the word Java and recollect pre-conceptions about the subject, be they positive or negative. Most are unaware that developments are taking place. One of the most recent events, excluding disputes between the likes of Sun, Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard over the future of the Java environment, is the emergence of Java-based thin clients. Sun began it all by offering the JavaStation network computer that runs the JavaOS system, an entirely Java-based operating system designed for NCs. Now, Sun is working on JavaOS for DOS PCs, making allowing obsolete PCs to become the equivalent of a JavaStation. The JavaPC software is in beta development, with a preview available from Sun's Java developer's Web site at http:// developer.javasoft.com The final release is expected to sell for about US$100, and it is clear how this product offers a way to use hardware once thought obsolete. It is possible to take a 486-based computer with 8 MB or 16 MB of memory that runs DOS and turn it into a full-featured network computer with a Web browser with full network connectivity. The JavaPC environment runs on top of DOS, which provides such basics such as access to the hard disk and floppy disk, plus the display and basic network drivers. The rest, including all the more complicated network support and the Java implementation, is provided by the JavaPC software which implements the functionality of the JavaOS found on the JavaStation series of NCs. Of course, to run a JavaPC system means being connected to a network since the whole concept of the JavaPC and Java-based NCs is to access Java-based content including Web pages and applications on servers elsewhere on the network - either on the Internet or an intranet. Also, since the JavaPC is designed to run on an Ethernet network and not a dial-up modem, it is aimed at the corporate environment where can provide applications written in Java to be used on the Java-based NCs. In my tests, the hardest part of configuration had nothing to do with the JavaPC software itself but rather with configuring DOS with my network card. JavaPC can work with the NDIS or ODI drivers shipped with many network cards, but I opted to use a free set of network card drivers known as packet drivers which can be downloaded from the Internet and are included with the JavaPC software. After several attempts to get the packet drivers to work with my card, I switched to a different card and things worked without difficulty. Once the network card was configured, I was able to configure the rest of the software quite easily, using an added utility that allowed me to answer a series of questions and have my configuration files built for me. Once done, it is possible to browse the Web immediately, using the built- in Web browser and run some small Java programs installed on my test network's server. One benefit of the JavaPC over dedicated NC hardware is that it allows organisations to continue to use existing DOS and even Windows 3.1 applications and systems. Also, Java-based network capabilities can be added without disrupting existing work. This lets you gradually move mission-critical applications to a Java-based client-server environment. However, the PCs need a minimum 486, 66 MHz PC with at least 8 MB of RAM. A low-end to mid-range Pentium is preferable and 16 MB of RAM is better. Of course, an entry level PC these day is quite inexpensive and would provide more than adequate power for running a JavaPC system. Full information about the JavaPC as well as other Sun Java products is available at Sun's Java Web site at http://www.javasoft.com/ Copyright(C) 1998 THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST <<THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST -- 06-24-98>>

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ProcTech CUTS tape & VAX 6000 SCSI interface & DC-600A tapes

by bobstek＠ix22.ix.netcom.com

If there are any ProcTech SOL owners out there, I have recently acquired an old CUTS tape from PROTEUS, the Sol User's Program Library. Lots of miscellaneous stuff. If you would like a copy, email your address, or send me some stamps - whatever. A friend is looking for a SCSI card for a a VAX 6000 with VMS drivers. Any good folk out there have one available, or know of a source? Also, I have 3 shrink-wrapped and 5 slightly used DC-600A tapes available to the first person with $5 for shipping. Bob Stek

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Trust me, I've been looking all over for a Linux port to a otherwise CE device. Linux CE... there are distributions that are small enough and with enough apps to run, but most of them are x86, and I'm betting on a pripority system bus... so it'd be increasingly difficult.. Ciao, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 9:49 AM Subject: Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes.. >Hotze wrote: >> >> Come to think of it, ALL of the Windows CE devices have their OS in ROM. >> *My* opinion is that for UNIX hardware, it's going to be UNIX's biggest >> competitor. Most Windows CE devices run off of UNIX-style processors, as >> that's the only way that they can get any speed inexpensively and with a >> decent battery life. > >So we put Linux on the little bastards. It's in the works for the Pilot >once the thing carries 4Mb of RAM standard (probably a couple months) >Naturally, it won't be exactly ROM'd. >-- >Ward Griffiths >They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. >Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. > Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_

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NeXT cubes or slabs.

by poesie＠geocities.com

Does anyone on the list collect NeXT systems? I had the chance to see one the other day and now I am hooked... but they wanted 500 bucks for a 33mhz turbo color cube (IIRC...) w/ a 21" sony monitor. in any case, (and i realize i'm stepping in a big heaping pile here) what's a reasonable cost for these systems? after using afterstep for linux, i would love to use nextstep and use the real thing. -Eric

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Quix Daydream (mac rom in next)

by poesie＠geocities.com

found this on comp.sys.next.marketplace. follow up with him if interested. -------------------- >Converts a NeXT machine into a virtual Macintosh (can boot either operating >system). This is the latest version and includes original box, diskettes, >printed manual and ROM box which attaches to the DSP port. Was running >PhotoShop and other Mac software without a hitch. > >$375 + Shipping. > >Please respond to buddyc(a)ibm.net > >Thanks. > >Buddy Cox

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Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

And, to bring this thread completley off topic, did they have a son or a daughter? What was he/she named? >And yes, Bill married the project lead behind Bob. Ugh. > >ca. 1993 I believe. > >ok >r. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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old AOL disks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I am now on AOL and can thus do anything requiring HTTP, FTP, Telnet, or IRC. Of course, AOL does have a nonstandard mail and newsgroups, so I can't use external software for those. >You can recieve attached items now? Last you told me was that you could only >recieve text messages. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Russ Blakeman > RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 > Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 > Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com > Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ > ICQ UIN #1714857 > AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" > * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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EXO Corporation singleboard?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Jeff Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)ifrsys.com> wrote: > Their address *used* to be: > > EXO Corporation > 1265 Montecito Avenue > Mountain View, CA 94043 Shucky darn. I had lunch today at the corner of Montecito and Shoreline. Have to check it out on my way home, but I don't hold out much hope, they're not in the phone book. > There's probably a Taco Bell at this address now :^) No, that's about two blocks north, at the corner of Terra Bella and Shoreline. Thanks! -Frank McConnell

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EXO Corporation singleboard?

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

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UNIX jumper contd

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

by the way Doug's info seems more than correct since I remembered that it also has a 32 bit I/O on and off setting in the cmos and it has two (of the eight) 32 bit ISA card slots. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Will CD-ROM readers exist in 20 years?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

They'll certainly be available to junk collectors like us, won't they, given our seemingly easy access to 9-track tape drives, teletypes with paper tape readers, etc.? There are more CD-ROM readers out there today than there ever were teletypes or S-100 machines or PDPs. Doesn't this mean *more* of them will be left for us to collect in the future? Sure, some are cheaply made, but if they're stored and unused, they'll make it. As for discs themselves, I think the "properly stored" admonition that held true for tapes and floppies holds for CDs. Temperature cycling (like the audio CDs in your car) probably does damage. Exposure to high humidity, which can creep in the sides and also disturb the aluminum layer, does damage. Scratches can introduce errors. Writeable CD-Rs are a different story - we can only hope the engineering of the dyes will hold up. - John

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OT: Looking for RS/6000 P43

by dwollmann＠my-dejanews.com

Ok, I'm dreaming, but I've got a PPC 223MHz complex here that will fit in an IBM RS/6000 P43 223MHz. If anyone runs into one that's looking for a home, please let me know. That or I'll just unload the board. If I could find a CPU-less box to put this in I'd be happy, otherwise I could have a dual-CPU box. This would make one helluva Linux workstation, no? (yes, PPC Linux runs on it, I checked) <g> David

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I'm slightly nuts -VAX as a webserver?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

We're about to see how the NetBSD/vax SCSI-DMA code works... It seems to be OK with SCSI-2 devices. I'm about to acid-test this. Our secondary webserver needs upgrading, namely the Pentium inside still has that old FDIV bug, and the O/S is way out) Anyway, we've got 500 meg of websites on it, and we can't have the server down. So, what other machine around the office has 500meg we can commandeer... Hmm... My MicroVAX has a gig free... Apache is on there... Hmm... You can see where this is headed. The VAX is the only machine with the space available, and NT is still acting funny (And, I'd rather use a VAX and unproven code than NT and known-bad code!) so I get gto give my poor MicroVAX the acid test - Can it play webserver for a day? We shall see. -------

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Macintosh II (lisa???)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:43 AM 6/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >Question: Will any nubus card work in any mac with a nubus slot? (I'm >talking standard form, one piece card, not the little two piece connected >jobbies found on the SI/LC etc.) Probably not. Obvious exapmle: a 68030 upgrade board probably wouldn't be all that great in a 68030+ based mac. Other than stuff like that, though, I think yes, NuBus is supposed to be pretty standard. (And yes, you can put in multiple video cards and use multiple monitors for that starship effect.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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old AOL disks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

This isn't quite classic, but classic enough. Does anyone have old AOL disks they could e-mail me? Any version before 3.0 for the PC. BTW, when was AOL 1.0 released? Wasn't AOL PC Link before? A program called QuantumLink came with my Commodore a few years ago, and when I called the tech number to see if they're still around, I was forwarded to AOL. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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"No name" S-100 computer

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hello All, I have been working on a "no name" S-100 computer for some time, and finally have gotten it to work! No name = Godbout 12 slot motherboard. Cards: Ithica Audio Z-80 card Seals 8K ram + Godbout 8K (2102 type ram's) Processor Tech CUTS (Cassette tape) Processor Tech GPM (1K ram + ROM board, 1 2K ROM installed) Vector Graphics Flashwriter (16x64 character display) Homebrew card (Input FFH port, etc) All in a modular blue/white metal box with only a lighted power switch and a reset switch. AFAIK, the parts that were not originally mine were not "abused", but was surprised at how much was wrong: 1) The op-amp in the motherboard active terminator was bad. 2) A cap across 5V in one of the RAM boards was shorted. The 2102 rams on this supply didn't like ~0V power, but TTL address and data signals. Luckily they were socketed, and still available fairly cheaply. 3) 3 other 2102 rams were bad. Some on the "GPM" board were marked only "DS9408" 4) There was a "pready" signal conflict. Don't know how it was run with this problem? 5) Bad transistor in the keyboard. 6) 1 or 2 bad 74367 ic's 7) Bad solder joint for one memory pin on the GPM board. It was OK 90% of the time... 8) Bad 4013 ic in the CUTS board- receive data path. Along the way, built a S-100 test jig that was very helpful - one powered edge connector with data, address lines provided by switches, latches, etc. + led's to view data lines. I could test memory chips one at a time with it, find where cards were in address space, until I could get the system to run with a serial terminal (My Heath H-19) and monitor software for further debugging. Finally I loaded Proc. Tech. Basic5 the first time! That cassette tape is about 22 years old. Also "Lunar". My questions: The Processor Tech GPM board I have no documentation, other than what I've figured out. It isn't that complicated. Does anyone have any, such as what are the ROM jumper choices and dip switch positions. (I've figured out about 4) Is there any archive for CUTS software? In the late 70's when I lived in the San Francisco Bay area, there was the "SOLUS" user's group. The third is more general, what determines the value? Obviously if this was a SOL-20 or in a IMSAI box, it would be worth much more on Ebay as well for collectors. In a literal sense, it is more unique and I have design documentation for the mods I've done, dates, reasons, etc. Quess what would be called the fabric. In some cases that's what has the value. (First prototype, etc.) In 10 or ? years, how will I pass it along "to the next generation"? I don't think any public museum would want a "no name" box, and from the museum threads, doesn't sound like a good idea, anyway. I know no one personally that has these "old" computer interests except maybe the speculator type, only this list. Those with private museums, will you be collecting this stuff in say 20 years, or will you be looking to pass it along? To ??? For old radios I can consider the AWA museum, as assume it will be around longer than any individual, but they probably don't want a lot of homebrew stuff. The brand names already "restored" radios are too expensive and rare for me, anyway. Thanks, Dave

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EXO Corporation singleboard?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > There was an EXO CP/M computer way back, but it used 8" drives and I > doubt that your board went with them :) Could be tha same company, > though. Thanks Don. Can you give me a clue about how way back? Not sure what I will find of use but it might be worth checking out to see if I can find any magazine articles, reviews, &c. (Next time I get to where I can get to the magazines, that is!) -Frank McConnell

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Hang her from the wall

by drfcline＠netw.com

Pete: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. What a lack of etiquette!!! I had no idea I had posted in HTML. The information in text follows.\: A piece of computer memorabilia well worth mounting on the wall or giving as a gift is a stack memory card from the UNIVAC computer. It is the LAST time the home of a bit of information could actually be seen - a tiny doughnut on a grid of wires. http://www.netw.com/~drfcline/univac.htm >>Any chance that you could post in plain English (ie ASCII) pine chokes on HTML and there are many others on classiccmp who don't use graphical readers. Thanks ;-) Pete Foster W. Cline, M.D. wrote: ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> ><HTML> ><HEAD> ><META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 >http-equiv=Content-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 >HTML//EN"><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> ><META content='"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=GENERATOR> ></HEAD> ><BODY bgColor=#c0c0c0> ><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>A piece of computer memorabilia well >worth >mounting on the wall or giving as a gift is a stack memory card from the >UNIVAC >computer. It is the LAST time the home of a bit of information could >actually be >seen - a tiny doughnut on a grid of wires. </FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>See it at <A >href="http://www.netw.com/~drfcline/univac.htm">http://www.netw.com/~drfcli ne/univac.htm</A></FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Old computer books (was: Re[2]: Quarter classics (was: Big

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

And then you will be remembered for generations to come as the father of computer collection. In 50 years or so, people will write your biographies and refer to the Technical Manual as the Tony Book. I guess I'd better get your autograph ahead of time... >Well, I guess I'll write some of these technical descriptions one >day, if only to fix in my own mind how the machines work. Some of >them will get distributed to a few interested friends. But I doubt if >any of them will ever be of mainstream interest. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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A perfect house - my storage problems solved.

by kevan＠heydon.org

Hi all, I just have to tell everybody some good news, but anybody with a space problem and of a jealous disposition may want to stop reading now... We have just got to sale agreed on a house that has a 41' x 41' garage at the bottom of the garden. That is about 1600 sqft or 11000 cuft of storage space. The garage has solid floors, cavity walls, a good roof and thus dry and clean inside. If you ever here me talking about space problems again, then you have the right to slap me. -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

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FW: Fellow wants a VAX, any VAX...

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Found on Usenet. If you can help, please contact this guy directly. Thanks. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:11:32 -0500, in comp.sys.dec you wrote: >>Message-ID: <359713F4.DA351ACA(a)intop.net> >>Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:11:32 -0500 >>From: "J. S. Havard" <enigma(a)intop.net> >>Reply-To: enigma(a)intop.net >>Organization: intop.net >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec >>Subject: WANTED: VAX (any variant) >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-dialip074.intop.net >>Lines: 18 >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.… >> >>If you are going to throw out a VAX, working or not, and are in >>Mississippi, eastern Louissiana and Arkansas, or western Alabama, please >>let me know and I will look into it. >> >>Also, anybody with any old CDC, Honeywell, Imprimis, or Magnetic >>Peripheral drives, please contact me. I have a Honeywell DPS6 and the >>strange front loading discs have a broken belt. >> >>Thanks in advance, >>John Havard >>-- >>----=(enigma(a)intop.net)=--------------------------------------------- >>A novice was trying to fix a broken Lisp machine by turning the power >>off and on. Knight, seeing what the student was doing spoke sternly: >>"You can not fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no >>understanding of what is going wrong." Knight turned the machine off >>and on. The machine worked. >>------------------------=(www.intop.net/~enigma/)=------------------- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 27, 19:34, Doug Yowza wrote: > Subject: Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes.. > On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > On Jun 27, 16:50, Hotze wrote: > > > Most Windows CE devices are based on HP/NEC PA-RISC (IIRC) > > > processors, or SGI MIPS processors. > > > > Or Acorn/Digital StrongARM. > > Are you guys both smoking the same stuff? CE does not exist for PA-RISC > or SGI MIPS, and while it does exist for Acorn/Digital/Intel ARM, it > hasn't shipped on any real hardware platform that I know of. > > It has shipped on a couple of NEC MIPS derivatives and Hitachi SH. MIPS chips are MIPS chips. SGI own MIPS, but don't manufacture the devices. NEC, Philips, Toshiba, amongst others, do, but they didn't design them. The VR4xxx series that NEC use are derivatives of the standard R4000 and R5000 series. You're possibly right about ARM and CE, though. Several companies have licenced the technology, but most of the ARM-based devices (eg the Psion 5, Newton) use Psion's OS or JavaOS, not CE. > There > is also support for ARM, PPC, and x86, but I haven't heard of any hardware > shipping for those platforms. > ObCC-Q: What was the first microprocessor-based box to run Unix? > > ObCC-A: The Z8000-based Onyx C8002 in 1980. What about the 11/23 systems Bell Labs were using in 1978? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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EXO Corporation singleboard?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

A couple of weeks ago someone thrust this bag into my hands and suggested that I find out about it. In the finest tradition of getting the 'net to do my homework for me, I did a few web searches that gave me a lot of false leads and no real info, and now I'm pestering y'all. So what's in the bag? It's a Z80 singleboard, 4 15/16" x 6 3/4" (12.6cm x 17.1 cm for you metric-threaded folks). Legends in the component-side traces include an "EXO corporation" logo, "(C) 1982" (where (C) is the C-in-circle copyright symbol), and "1010A" which I guess is a part or model number. There's a terminal strip off to one side which I am guessing (from the ICs and a little bit of follow-the-traces that is about the limit of my know-how) is intended to be connections for power, interrupt lines, and a serial port. And there are three 34-pin (2x17) plugs in about the middle of the board. Significant ICs would seem to be an SGS Z80A, a National 2716 EPROM, nine Hitachi HM4864P-2, Zilog Z8410A (DMA) and Z8440A (SIO/O), National MC1489P and two TI SN101057 on the way to that terminal strip, and a couple of what I guess are some sort of programmable logic in 20-pin DIPs whose markings have been removed so that "(C) 1981... EXO SYS. CORP." can be stamped on top. Anybody know what this is, or anything about the company, or any better places to look? I'm guessing "singleboard for control system" but that is pretty much outside my know-how. And how did I get into this fix? I suspect it's karmic payback for something I said a couple hours before at the Foothill swap meet. Someone showed me a 68000 singleboard (not too different) and I said something like "once upon a time I'd have found that a really neat hacker toy, now I don't think I have time for it." There's clues in here somewhere, but I don't think I've figured out which ones I'm supposed to pay attention to. -Frank McConnell

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Tomy Tutor

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Well, this month's TRW Swapmeet haul was pretty expens^H^H^H^H good: I found some old computer books, and some electronic music and acoustics texts from the 60s... and a neat HP 1/4" data recorder, four channels, FM, four speeds... nice for my restoration work. And an Edison cylinder recording for $10... (cool!) BUT.... (here's the on-topic part) I found a Tomy 16-Bit Graphics Tutor, along with another Commodore 64 and printer. [Anyone in SoCal want two C-64s, a disk drive and printer? Not really my 'thing'.. free to good home, you pay FedEx shipping...] Anyway.. This unit is slightly larger than the C-64, has a cartridge port on the top, an expansion bus port on the back, as well as a DIN for the cassette and a DB9 marked 'controller', and audio/video/RF RCA jacks. I have yet to plug it in. It is stock # 800, model # TP 1000. Is this thing anything? Is it priceless/worthless? Interesting/boring? I have never run across one in all my years collecting... ALSO: I'm still looking for the vacuum column door for a Kennedy 9300 9trk drive.... if another drive was available within reasonable going-and-getting distance I'd go for that, too. ALSO ALSO: The formatter card for the above, to fit a PDP 11/34a. Cheers John

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by allisonp＠world.std.com

You could have said single chip CPU but in reality what does that mean as 8088 required a 8084a clock driver and many other chips in practical use are never quite single chips unless you mean an 8048 or 8051! <I didn't mention the 11/03 because although it's often described as a <microprocessor, it's actually a set of 4 40-pin chips (5 with optional <EIS/FIS instructions) called a D-11. That's the one often called an The KD11 was four chips (5 with EIS/FIS) but the distribution was CPU core and Micoms (microcode roms) around it. <sure there was a stand-alone system using RX02s. Of course, you could al <count 11/23 systems running standard 7th Edition Unix (1979) on RL02s, li <the one I have here. And here too! Allison

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I class that as a micro, but I don't know if others would. 11/23 was called a micro by it's vendor DEC! What could be more official than that. Also the LSI-11 (KD-11). Allison

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Heathkit ET-3400

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 04:06 AM 6/28/98 -0500, Doug wrote: >I picked up an ET-3400 6800 CPU trainer today. It was obviously abused by >several students in a past life. I've resoldered its broken connections, >and it seems to work OK, but I can't fully test it yet because I'm missing >the seven-segment LEDs and the monitor ROM. > >I happended to have the manual for a 1977 version of this trainer, but my >trainer appears to be from 1987 or so and has a few differences (for one, >it uses a 6802 rather than a 6800). Luckily, the manual has a listing of >the monitor ROM. But I don't have a 6800 assembler. > >So, does anybody have any of the following: > >1) A monitor ROM image (preferably for a 1987 model) >2) A 6800 assembler (preferably Linux-hosted, but DOS will work) >3) The EPROM part number for this board (the man. mentions MCM6830A, but >that doesn't ring a bell with me) >4) Part numbers for the 7-segment LEDs (I only have Heathkit part nos.) >5) A spare "1" key for my keypad :-) > I kooked on the net, but didn't find any info on the ET-3400. I did find this page on the EC-1, however: http://www.cyberventure.com/heathkit/computers/ec-1.html At least the LED's should be able to be replaced if uou know their sizes and whether C Anode or C Cathode. Looking in catalogs like Jameco, the part numbers don't help my memory, but the size/descriptions do. Have wished to see a Heath cross reference for things like IC's, transistors., collected from a large number of their manuals. I have at least 1 2716 with a Heath number on it- have no idea what it's for. -Dave

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Way to identify original IBM-PC?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Remember: I'm the same copyright as the C-64 >Thanks for posting a more complete response than mine. I didn't think >that perhaps Max is too young to remember using a cassette recorder and >cassette tapes for program storage. I just assumed that everyone on this >list would know that computers used to use tape recorders in olden days >before disk drives came along. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 06/11/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I have to plead DEC-hardware ignorance. Did the 11/23 use a single-chip >micro (the LSI-11, according to Allison)? If so, then please add >"non-DEC" to my Q :-) The 11/23, 11/23+ and 11/24 all used the same chip set. The actual processor existed as two chips mounted on one carrier. This was the DCF-11 (the 'Fonz') chip. The memory management unit was a second chip and the floating point unit was a third chip (again, actually two chips on one carrier). In addition, there was a CIS (commerical instruction set) chip which was 6 chips on a single carrier (I have a couple of 11/23+ boards with CIS). Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 28, 13:29, Doug Yowza wrote: > Didn't SGI recently re-spinoff MIPS as an independent concern? In any > case, while the core ISA should be the same, NEC developed the VR4101 and > VR4102 specifically for CE, and I doubt that you'll find the chips in any > SGI box. I got invalid links when I tried to look at the specs at NEC's > site, but I think the CE-specifics were probably in areas of power > management and on-chip peripherals. Yes, lots of companies like MIPS, Digital, ARM, Motorola, etc etc make the core designs available for others to incorporate in their customised processors, and I had no doubt that that's just what NEC did. Sometimes the design owner does the customisation, sometimes the company who want the custom version. NEC would have the experise to do it themselves, I'm sure. All I meant was that it would still basically be a MIPS core, with a standard architecture and instruction set. I hadn't heard about MIPS being separated again. Given what SGI are doing at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised. > It's public knowledge that Microsoft added ARM support for WinCE 2.1, but > that version of the OS is not shipping for any platform. In fact, 2.1 was > still beta last I checked (a couple of weeks ago). I confess that I pay little attention to WinCE and even less to version numbers :-) > I have to plead DEC-hardware ignorance. Did the 11/23 use a single-chip > micro (the LSI-11, according to Allison)? If so, then please add > "non-DEC" to my Q :-) Yes, the 11/23 used the F-11 chip, which is a single 40-pin package. There are optional add-ons, but the basic processer is just one ceramic object -- though anyone who looks at it will immediately see that it's actually two smaller packages (essentially, one for ALU and one for microcode) mounted on a common carrier with a few chip capacitors for good measure. I didn't mention the 11/03 because although it's often described as a microprocessor, it's actually a set of 4 40-pin chips (5 with optional EIS/FIS instructions) called a D-11. That's the one often called an LSI-11, although strictly speaking LSI-11 refers to a particular processor board. And I deliberately didn't give more detail about the unix systems, because I can't remember what Bell called those little systems, and I don't have the reprints of the AT&T Technical Journal to hand :-) I'm fairly sure there was a stand-alone system using RX02s. Of course, you could also count 11/23 systems running standard 7th Edition Unix (1979) on RL02s, like the one I have here. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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PDP-8

by mailroom＠knorr.com

What's the current availability of the PDP-8/E systems? Any DECtape, other devices, too? OS/8 operating system?

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C-Nets Windows history story

by Archive＠navix.net

Makes for some interesting reading, anyway.... talks of Microsoft, Apple, Atari, IBM, Xerox, HP, and others as the story traces a time-line of Microsoft Windows. Here's a cut and paste to get you to the story: Microsoft's latest OS offering didn't invent itself, and neither did the first Windows apps. It was a long, sometimes painful evolutionary period spanning at least the last 30 years. Would it surprise you to know that Atari was a contender for the OS crown? Find out how, and more, in our feature story "30 years of Windows: a retrospective." It's an enlightening look at the history of the Windows OS, and the history of computing itself. http://www.cnet.com/Content/Features/Special/30Years/index.html?dd.sd -- ____________________________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net |\ | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | | | on AOL Instant Messenger: DeannaCord | | | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/4395 | | |------------------------------------------------------------| | | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421 - (402) 872- 3272 | | |------------------------------------------------------------| | | If you don't have AOL (like us) but want a great instant | | | chat feature, just go to http://www.aol.com/aim | | |____________________________________________________________| | \_____________________________________________________________\|

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SE30s and IIX machines- Packet monitors and Home Automation

by higginbo＠netpath.net

This is a coincidence! I just got an SE/30 and a Mac IIx too. I also have some of those Asante SCSI Network adapters. I'm wanting to network one of these with my PC, but I don't know where to start. I know linux supports Appletalk right out of the box so to speak, but I dual boot between in and Windows 98, and 98 is my primary OS for the most part. Now, I've never heard mention of Appletalk as a protocol under 95 or 98. Is it available? What other option do I have besides Appletalk? BTW, my only networking experience is with Novell Netware server and DOS/Win95/NT boxes. At 05:08 PM 6/27/98 PDT, Thomas Pfaff wrote: >I bought an SE30 w/ Ethernet recently for $80 through the net. The >owner showed up at my office one day recently and delivered it. The >next week I also bought a Mac IIx w/ 8 megs of RAM for $25 at a >Silicon Valley swap meet. A friend gave me a couple of Asante SCSI ><-> Ethernet adapters which can normally be had for around $20 on >eBay. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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Tomy Tutor and C-64

by jpl15＠netcom.com

The Commodore systems have been spoken for, thanks for all of the replies from the list. I will also reply to each of you who wrote me personally.. but a public thanks is in order as well. Cheers John

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Mac Case popping

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>i've never had a problem cracking macs Just make sure you don't mix a Platinum front panel from a Mac Plus with one of the older beige backs. I inadvertantly did this a few months ago and they're still together. Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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Inventory Control (was Re: "No name" S-100 computer)

by rcini＠email.msn.com

I have the same inventory tracking problems, too. I don't have a complete invetory of anything but my 11/34a stuff. In the accounting profession, what we need is an "inventory locator system." I have the beginnings of this in an Excel spreadsheet. The spreadsheet indicates the DEC "M" number, description, and the location: the main chassis, expansion chassis, or in "stores." I, too, want to go the barcode inventory route. Thinking out loud, if someone could get their hands on a shareware point-of-sale inventory package for a PC, that might do the trick. I see ads in PC Magazine all the time for POS systems and software, but I don't want to spend several hundred $$$$ for it. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Mac Case popping, Was: GOOD LORD! VARNISH?

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 11:31 PM 6/27/98 +0100, Tony Duell wrote: >the battery cover and 2 in the handle. You need a long Torx driver for >the latter 2. For what it's worth: I have been using screwdrivers with the interchangable bits for some time now. When I first came into contact with a Mac SE, I went to sears and bought an extension for my present screwdriver. I keep that torx bit in the extension so it's right there whenever I need it, which has been quite alot lately, since I am rebuilding about 17 SE, SE/30, and Classic machines. Also, seems that every compact mac I have messed with has already had the case popped (according to the marks). What do I do if I come across a virgin that's never been popped so to speak? Is it harder to get the case off? - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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"No name" S-100 computer

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Dave, I hope you don't mind me copying this reply to ClassicCmp as I think it may interest others as well. On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, dave dameron wrote: > Well I should see if I can visit up to the bay area at the VCF II time > and meet some people. That you should do! :) > Will there be registration later on the web site, or do you just show up > at the door? Are there a lot of individuals showing a few things (vs. > groups that appear to be the "private museums")? Thanks -Dave The web page has registration information now (see URL below), so if you go there you can get all the details. But basically, if you register now you pay $15 for full admission to both days and save $5. Otherwise its $10/day. The exhibition will consist of numerous private individuals and various user groups exhibiting their collections. There will be no overlapping, and everyone who is exhibiting is being selected for their particular genre. There will be Doug Salot and Roger Sinasohn doing a portables exhibit, Paul Zurikowski from the local Mac user group doing a complete Mac exhibit, Jordan Ruderman will be doing a Sol-20 exhibit, Larry Anderson will be doing a Commodore exhibit, I'm working with a guy who wants to do a PDP-8 exhibit, etc. I'm still looking for more exhibitors so if anyone is interested contact me. There will also be various museums making a presence, although they won't all be exhibiting. I'm currently working with The Computer Museum History Center to bring some of their artifacts to exhibit (I'm also working on scheduling tours to the History Center from VCF so out-of-town guests get a chance to see their amazing collection); David Hale, who is in the process of assembling a museum in Pennsylvania that will follow the progress of computers in different fields of technology will be driving out and bringing some computers with him to exhibit and some to sell (he was going to come to VCF 1.0 but got stuck in a big snow storm in Chicago; he also got a very rare kit computer from the 60s that he was bringing to VCF stolen while he was snowbound in the airport...long story); and finally I've invited David Weil, the curator of the Computer Museum of America in San Diego, to come up and setup a booth. So there will be at least a couple museums having a presence at VCF. I hope to get more, and I hope the VCF eventually becomes an event where computer museums from around the world gather once a year to share information and strategies. If you have anymore questions please ask! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98]

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Making progress

by kyrrin＠jps.net

OK... I've made some progress. The fault light problem with my RA82 drive was cured by reseating all the connectors and pushing in the socketed chips (they crackled most satisfactorily). So now the RA82 passes all its tests, but I can't get the KDA-50 to see it. I've tried a couple of different boards. System is a MicroVAX II, 8 megs (well, 9 counting the CPU resident) memory, RQDX3 in one cabinet and the KDA50 board set in the other. RQDX3 has an RD52 and an RX50 on it, all of which are seen no problem by the diagnostics. The RQDX is at 772150 and the KDA-50 is at the next available MSCP floating address. Question: I've currently got both A and B port cables from the hard drive connected to ports 0 and 1 of the KDA-50 controller. Is this correct, or am I confusing the thing by feeding it back on itself? I'm glad this one's going better than my 11/44 did earlier today... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Way to identify original IBM-PC?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>This in combination with looking for a cassette port should be a good >way to tell. I know we've been through this, but could someone summarize for me about the cassette port? What can be used with it? > >================================== >Rich Cini/WUGNET > - Charter ClubWin! Member (6) > - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking > - Collector of classic computers ><<========== Reply Separator ==========>> > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Mac Case popping

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 11:15 PM 6/27/98 EDT, SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com wrote: >loosened screws to the front half of the mac. that usually pops it loose. you >can apply the same technique to the bottom screws also. i've done this to all >compact macs except for the classic and cc models since i dont own one. hope i >explained it clearly. Thanks. I had heard of a "specialized" tool that Apple sold that would accomplish the task. Figured it was just a way for them to make more money. :) - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, I know that the HP's run off of PA-RISCs, and that Phillips Velos are SGI's. Also, theo ther processor support isn't in H/PC's, and it probably won't be. x86's used in the Elan SC400 based devices, I know that they're some mapping hanheld that uses that. PPC, and so forth will probably show up in the Jupiter-class 2Lb devices. Ciao, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 3:34 AM Subject: Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes.. >On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Pete Turnbull wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 16:50, Hotze wrote: >> > Most Windows CE devices are based on HP/NEC PA-RISC (IIRC) >> > processors, or SGI MIPS processors. >> >> Or Acorn/Digital StrongARM. > >Are you guys both smoking the same stuff? CE does not exist for PA-RISC >or SGI MIPS, and while it does exist for Acorn/Digital/Intel ARM, it >hasn't shipped on any real hardware platform that I know of. > >It has shipped on a couple of NEC MIPS derivatives and Hitachi SH. There >is also support for ARM, PPC, and x86, but I haven't heard of any hardware >shipping for those platforms. > >ObCC-Q: What was the first microprocessor-based box to run Unix? > >ObCC-A: The Z8000-based Onyx C8002 in 1980. > >-- Doug > >

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