More on manuals plus rescue

Fred Cisin cisin at
Fri Aug 21 18:22:55 CDT 2015

>>> But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word
>>> means in ordinary usage.
>> I'm confused on some of the terminology.  I don't think that I'm alone.
>> A friend of mine was in law school before he'd believe me that
>> "burglary" and "robbery" were not fully synonymous.
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> And they aren't synonymous. The point being...?

Just an example that most of the public do NOT know most of the 

>>> There is nothing you had before such an event
>>> that you no longer have after,
>> So, "steal", "theft"? require a component of having already gotten
>> possession?
> Yes.

Thank you.  THAT is the key element then.

>> Somebody who takes your packages off of the Fedex or USPS truck is not
>> "steal"ing from you?
> Correct. He is stealing from Fedex or USPS. The fact that the package was 
> destined for you don't mean he stole it from you, since you did not have it.


>> Howabout somebody who buys COD and stops payment?  (apparently habitually)
>> I had a college administrator cancel PO for "non-delivery" AFTER calling
>> for installation tech support.
> That is, I believe, a breach of contract. Fraudulent.
The component of "prior possesion" V "entitled to" clarifies that.

>> Is "theft of service" valid under the law?
> Theft of service... I have a hard time understanding that concept.
>> Is "Intellectual Property" an oxymoron?
> Sortof. It's an established term, but it do not actually refer to a physical 
> property.
> But there are many established terms which are oxymorons.


> I agree. Legal is sometimes weird. But we cannot ignore it.
> But here I thought we were just discussing what theft was. :-)

mostly, but also in the context of where we are facing it.
I appreciate your clarification of the "theft" term.

> And I think all have agreed with you that copying and making your work 
> available without you getting reimbursed is illegal. and bad. We have just 
> disagreed that the crime should be called theft. Using the word theft is just 
> trying to pervert a word, and try to make people think and associate with 
> other actions that they really should not.

That summarizes it well.
Thank you for the detailed reply.
It is nice to be able to discuss these things without heavy emotions 
and/or self-serving rationalizations.

Grumpy Ol' Fred     		cisin at

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