State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

Mike Kenzie reboot at
Sun Apr 5 15:53:23 CDT 2020

Great Fortran, APL and COBOL my main languages, with a sprinkling of DCL.

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> To: "Fred Cisin" <cisin at>, "General Discussion, On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at>
> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 4:37:11 PM
> Subject: Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

> On Sun, 5 Apr 2020, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Apr 2020, geneb wrote:
>>> I'm pretty sure he said that about BASIC, and I'm totally bummed he died
>>> before I could bitch slap him over it. ;)
>> well, close.
>> His BASIC quote is:
>> "It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have
>> had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally
>> mutilated beyond hope of regeneration."
> That doesn't explain the millions of kids that got their start in BASIC
> and grew up to learn skills that could wipe the floor with him...
>> Here is one copy of his 1975 paper, "How Do We Tell Truths That Might Hurt":
> The problem is that it's not a "truth", it's horseshit, plain and simple.
> People that think so much of themselves that they consider their opinions
> to have the weight of fact just make me froth at the mouth. :)
>> I don't know what language(s), if any, that he liked.
> Then he should have sat down, shut up, and let the adults talk. ;)
> g.
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