Bay Area: IBM 4341 and HP3000

Dave G4UGM dave.g4ugm at
Sun Jan 11 11:15:22 CST 2015

Seems to me as several have viewed and walked away the price should be coming down not going up. I also bet the important things such as the MAPS and Hardware manuals are missing, He might have tape drives but does he have any tapes? So whilst I haven't seen it I can't comment on how salvageable this 4341 is, but even if it had been carefully removed, re-installing after 10 years in good storage would be a challenge. 

I had a 4361 installed in a lecture theatre in a local University. It was shipped by IBM from its previous location so it was well packed etc. It was a nightmare getting enough power to run the thing. We needed around 60amps 240v three phase. I just wish I had kept the Physical Planning Manuals.

Given the condition reports I have seen I imagine it will go for scrap, I don't think there is much gold in a 4341 but there is a lot of steel...
.. Reminds me of the case of the Blackpool Vulcan bomber sold on e-bay for £15,000. Estimated cost of move £20K + £1k per week storage costs.

it was eventually sold for scrap for £4000.  I don't know if the vendor was ever paid his money. I think probably not...
.. the buyer now apparently has a Harrier Jump Jet instead....

Dave Wade

(When this happened £1 was about $1.10)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at] On Behalf Of Sean
> Caron
> Sent: 11 January 2015 16:35
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Bay Area: IBM 4341 and HP3000
> Sheesh! Not so collegial! My take has always been, if you find a hidden gem,
> great, but if it gets blown up and the item's got buyers swarming and the
> price is shooting up, c'est la vie... Nobody owes us cheap additions to all our
> personal collections (though of course it's nice when it happens anyway). I do
> miss the "old days" when so much of this stuff was just generally available for
> the taking, nobody would have ever thought to fight over it!
> Best,
> Sean
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:15 AM, js at <js at>
> wrote:
> > On 1/11/2015 4:50 AM, jim s wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I talked to him at length and got a little more on the story.  ...
> >> ... [snip]
> >> I'm willing to say that my impression of the guy is that he had very
> >> high expectations of what he had stored...
> >>
> >>  No wonder.   As a buyer, the worst thing you can do with any seller is
> > have a bunch of people calling up, expressing interest, and informing
> > the seller that he has special items and that there are special groups of
> > people out there who are interested.   Now the seller's beliefs in a high
> > value are confirmed.
> >
> > It's far better for a potential buyer that the seller thinks he has
> > junk only a scrap dealer is interested in.  Scrap dealers don't pay diddly
> squat.
> >
> > The more who call, the more the sellers hopes are raised.
> >
> > Why people who have no actual capability of purchasing these items are
> > calling the seller up and taking up their time, is beyond me.  All you
> > do is raise the difficulty of negotiations for the actual guy who
> > might end up buying the items.
> >
> > Any actual buyer is fully capable of getting all the answers they need
> > without your interference.
> >
> > For the similar reasons, as a frequent buyer, it also highly annoys me
> > when systems on eBay or Craiglist are found and rebroadcasted here.
> > Now, my chance find has been made aware to a much wider audience, the
> > competition shoots way up, and I have to pay more.
> >
> > Of course, there's sellers here too who benefit from the rebroadcasting.
> > But I say, let them broadcast themselves.
> >
> > - J.
> >

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